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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:07 pm
by mastina
In post 3633, xRECKONERx wrote:i have yet to hear an actual case on haschel despite repeated asks and i'm not sure i fully understand anyone's reason for the wagon?
POE + VCA, mostly.

I think other slots are more town, I think the Bell wagon was mostly or entirely town, and of the slots off the wagon, Haschel is among the least-town of them.

By the way, I hate how when I go to bed I have genius ideas that I'm like, "write that down mentally, I'll do it tomorrow", and then come tomorrow...I forget.
In post 3623, Thestatusquo wrote:
Haschel Cedricson [7]
Titus Pookythemagicalbear sircakez Mastina MURDERCAT Battle Mage flea the magician
Battle Mage [2]
DrippingGoofball xRECKONERx
Pookythemagicalbear [2]
OutworldER WidowsXP
Flea the Magician [1]
Haschel Cedricson
Not Voting [2]
Blitzo, ManWithNoName
For the record. I realize the Haschel wagon comp isn't the best; the only names I trust to be town on it are Titus and SirCakez with a healthy side of Battle Mage.

So it wouldn't be hard to convince me to move to Pooky, and I'd also wagon MURDERCAT here, or begrudgingly, Flea (I don't want to because Flea is a treasure to interact with, but push come to shove I do admit Flea could be scum so if needed I would vote there).

Try to get me to vote Titus, Battle Mage, DGB, Reck, Outworlder, Windows XP, Blitzo, or ManWithNoName, though? Not happening. :P

Internet monopolies are a thing and they fucking suck. There's a common saying I quite like; 'fuck spectrum'. Fortunately my internet is better than most, but I do watch a lot of struggling streamers due to their internet companies being utter shit.

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:13 pm
by xRECKONERx
i'm very wary of matinsa reading me as town i don't know how she got to that and it feels unnatural and inorganic

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:14 pm
by Haschel Cedricson
First of all, normally I give zero fucks about proving I’m town; traditionally the only way to do that is to die so the priority should always go to finding scum. However while driving home from Boxing Day obligations I did think of one question for everybody voting for me: Why did I go to Comms on Night One?

Remember, Akarin posted a plan that listed everybody but Reck and I going to the rooms Cafeteria/Electric/Security/Admin/Comms. I stated that I would be going to a room that had people in it. It was clarified that “Comms” on the plan was supposed to be “Reactor”. I went to Comms anyway because that’s where my short task was. What is the motivation for Scumschel to go to Comms? Hope that Reck went there too? Hope that the people I locked out of Electrical will join me but only one of them even though I know that all of those people have stated they want to group up and are likely to join one of the other listed locations? Seriously, what’s my endgame there? As it turns out I did indeed end up with one other person, and neither of us killed each other. Which is more likely: 1) I stated I would be in a room with other people and then when the group plan swapped to Reactor I decided that it was important to go to Comms anyway instead of any of the other rooms I could have gone to that would have bolstered my statement, for no scum gain whatsoever, or 2) I had a task in Comms and went there to do it?

***

Anyway. Let’s find scum.

Here’s Bell.

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We know Bell is scum.

I thought that Titus was suspicious on Day 1, but after we ended up in Comms together she became not an optimal elimination for Day 2. Nevertheless, Bell goes for her hard despite not indicating strong feelings about Titus the day before. Is this some sort of extreme bus? Doubtful, since 1) all it did was attract attention to Bell, and 2) it was 100% unnecessary for scum to bus there. Conclusion: Titus is town.

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Who was on the wagon?

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First thing we can see is that Flea was the second vote on the wagon that Bell was pushing, on a player I have concluded is town.

Here’s everything that Flea said about Bell, as well as Flea’s list of reads.

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Nothing committal about Bell at all, and says he “was where he said he would be” as way of explanation why fae is not joining the Bellwagon and is instead joining the Tituswagon. We also see dismay that Bell was hammered, and a scumread on a player we know 100% is town.

I’m gonna come back to the Bellwagon chart in a bit, but faer play today is pretty bad as well.
Flea wrote:As much as I'd love to clarify those posts, theyre over my 50 word limit and blatently breaching that is liable to be bad, especially as this is my long task I'll have a read over once I've slept (whoo 4am) and break them down for you.
Unless there is also a postcount restriction, which we haven’t been given any indication exists, there is literally nothing preventing Flea from clarifying the posts in question over time. Unless, of course, fae doesn’t want to.
Flea wrote:I still have no idea why Hasc is voting me.
Consider this Intent then I guess? I should look at their ISO.
Bullshit. I dedicated an entire paragraph to Flea in the same post I made my vote. Here it is again:
HC wrote:I was asked to explain my scumreads. First of all, I mentioned Murdercat in my previous post; there are connections to known scum Bell that I don't like at all. I also think Flea is scummy for multiple reasons; faer reads have very little substance behind them, the late no-lim vote was bad, and if you parse the no-vowel thing Flea says "I'll have read and the Bell case is priority tomorrow but I'm not expecting to be convinced" which doesn't look great in light of Bell's flip. In fact, on Day 1 Flea said a lot of things about Murdercat that ended up in a shrug and no conclusions; I can absolutely see a Bell/Murdercat/Flea team.
Don’t pretend you have no idea about something that was spelled out and then say you’re announcing intent. Also, putting somebody at E-1 because their ISO leaves you “massively unimpressed” is not a good look, especially when it’s the holidays and that person hasn’t had a chance to get back to the game yet to post about a wagon that flared up for shaky reasons.

Can anybody else in this game look at Flea today and honestly say they are doing any scumhunting at all? Even a little bit? I can’t say that; Flea has spent the entire day talking about faer post restriction and talking about how claiming was a bad idea after all. The latter was obvious from the start of the game. Normally I’d say there’s no followup but Flea is not producing anything with which to follow up on in the first place! Flea, you think I’m scum? Fucking interrogate me. Don’t just speak vague “I don’t understand why HC is voting for me”s in my general direction.

Oh, I forgot about this but check out post #210. Specifically this part of #210:
Flea wrote:Image
There is no Storage room on the ship.

Okay this took a lot longer than I thought it would take and I’m not even done yet. Tomorrow afternoon I’ll go back to the diagram but focus it on Murdercat this time. For now, though, sleep.

MOD NOTE: FIXED QUOTE TAGS

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:31 pm
by xRECKONERx
what is happeniung

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:35 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
wow haschel

you have convinced me

VOTE: Flea

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:51 pm
by xRECKONERx
ok i finally parsed that without the fucked up quote tags

let's roll

VOTE: flea

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:58 am
by ManWithNoName
In post 3641, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3627, ManWithNoName wrote:
I'll do intent to hammer. Sorry I forgot to log in this morning
WHY
there's only two days left and we have to do something

I didn't like quick hammer or something, so cool your jets you turbo peeps.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:02 am
by ManWithNoName
so this is why Haschel hasn't updated the political cartoon thread

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:47 am
by MURDERCAT
UNVOTE:

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:48 am
by MURDERCAT
Windows TMI?

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:51 am
by MURDERCAT
VOTE: Flea

I'm down

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:32 am
by SirCakez
In post 3621, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 3620, SirCakez wrote:SirCakez thinks Taly replace out is weird
?
doesn't make sense but maybe personal issues so SirCakez will leave it

UNVOTE: on Koba's request SirCakez is interested in what they have to say
SirCakez concurs the Flea L-1 vote was rushed seeming
In post 3627, ManWithNoName wrote:
I'll do intent to hammer. Sorry I forgot to log in this morning
SirCakez heavily dislikes this as MWNN has dropped little content so far and thus it makes no sense he already wants to hammer
Koba also noticed this

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:33 am
by SirCakez
In post 3635, DkKoba wrote:I didnt claim my ROOM was sabotaged. i said my TASK was sabotaged. like my slot went to submit it as completed and i was told it was sabotaged by scum - which im asssuming means that it doesnt count and i have to redo it to get it done - (i prob will die tonight via the factional nightkill.)
wtf is this?

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:36 am
by SirCakez
VOTE: flea
SirCakez can get behind this after seeing Haschel's wall

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:37 am
by SirCakez
SirCakez cannot see how Flea claiming Storage is not a scumslip

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:39 am
by SirCakez
Flea!scum also solidifies SirCakez's Titus TR

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:57 am
by Titus
While I disagree with the Flea wagon, I could be wrong. Vibrant discussion is healthier for town rather than me guessing.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:04 am
by SirCakez
Titus how can you disagree? He scumslipped

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:11 am
by Titus
In post 3667, SirCakez wrote:Titus how can you disagree? He scumslipped
I don't want to answer that because Flea will copy my reply. If he says anything else, it's a slip.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:33 am
by ManWithNoName
I come in on Christmas and people expect me to solve the game already. Tough crowd.

Also
@Mod VLA until Tuesday


I got engaged today so you losers are not my main focus. I'll check in but no full participation

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:09 am
by Battle Mage
In post 3635, DkKoba wrote:
In post 3627, ManWithNoName wrote:
I'll do intent to hammer. Sorry I forgot to log in this morning
this is extremely scummy to do upon replacing in. especially in a slot i scumread heavily im heavily pinged by u VOTE: manwithnoname
I'm townleaning the intent. It's quite a conspicuous move as newly-replaced in scum...and like, what's the motive? there's no counterwagon, so it appeared that HC would be most likely flip regardless. Also it's just something I think he'd do as town in my experience.

I have an unexpected day off on 30th Dec, and hoping to do a proper catch up then. From a skim, it appears momentum has shifted to Flea from HC, based in part on a scumslip which was getting the room wrong? hmm, I dunno about that. I couldn't remember my room at one point on Day 1.

On which note,
Mod: Can we please have a couple days extra extension to compensate for Xmas lull?

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:11 am
by Battle Mage
In post 3669, ManWithNoName wrote:
I come in on Christmas and people expect me to solve the game already. Tough crowd.

Also
@Mod VLA until Tuesday


I got engaged today so you losers are not my main focus. I'll check in but no full participation
congratulations dude! also please take me out of the loser bracket - all i did was wish you merry xmas and then defend you <3 :lol:

Spoiler:
Will you be taking her name when you marry? might need a new MS account if so :wink:

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:14 am
by Battle Mage
In post 3664, SirCakez wrote:SirCakez cannot see how Flea claiming Storage is not a scumslip
i'm not sold on that bud. Scum were given safeclaims right? So I'm not convinced it's a scumslip, although agree it's maybe marginally scum indicative as town might remember their room better. I'm not getting too excited over it, but I wouldn't completely dismiss it either if that makes sense.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:21 am
by ManWithNoName
Balfruss is not a loser

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:22 am
by Thestatusquo
In post 3670, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 3635, DkKoba wrote:
In post 3627, ManWithNoName wrote:
I'll do intent to hammer. Sorry I forgot to log in this morning
this is extremely scummy to do upon replacing in. especially in a slot i scumread heavily im heavily pinged by u VOTE: manwithnoname
I'm townleaning the intent. It's quite a conspicuous move as newly-replaced in scum...and like, what's the motive? there's no counterwagon, so it appeared that HC would be most likely flip regardless. Also it's just something I think he'd do as town in my experience.

I have an unexpected day off on 30th Dec, and hoping to do a proper catch up then. From a skim, it appears momentum has shifted to Flea from HC, based in part on a scumslip which was getting the room wrong? hmm, I dunno about that. I couldn't remember my room at one point on Day 1.

On which note,
Mod: Can we please have a couple days extra extension to compensate for Xmas lull?
Please avail yourself of rule 4 of the general rules. This is the final warning on this rule as its now been broken 3 times this game. Additionally, I already pre-emptively gave 3 extra days for today for this very reason.