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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:10 am
by PenguinPower
boop

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:10 am
by PenguinPower
i'm just an impatient bird

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:10 am
by PenguinPower
and tbf - i asked pooky to let me know when he was ready

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:10 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
bee are you changing your suspicions from gamma to best bird?

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:11 am
by Cat Scratch Fever
In post 3618, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3614, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wow you are really getting into it huh
If I’m gonna be made to work for the win I’m not going to just sit back and hope, I’m going to actively try and figure out what indicates it’s someone else over me
As mentioned in my last post, the VCs seem to be showing that scum were playing a certain way that while it’s easy to come to that conclusion FMPOV, it shouldn’t be impossible for others to see it.
I don't think I'm seeing what you're seeing, but I'm happy to hear your thoughts.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:11 am
by Bee
EeEEEehh not really, but I’d be a liar if I said I didn’t like Gamma’s fight that just popped up.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:14 am
by Gamma Emerald
I’m talking in terms of positioning. And while I wasn’t quite certain of that theory before, I am now.
When I was initially surveying the D1 VCs I noted Bee and PP parked on Enchant for a while. That initially led to me thinking one of them did a “bus buddies and run deep” play. That’s why I had no concrete suspicion between them for a time. Then the time came when the wagons on me and Enchant dissolved simultaneously, and PP lingered on Enchant for another VC before ending up on a vanity wagon for the rest of the day. Then comes D2, where PP immediately votes Auro and then moves to MM when that’s where thread climate is pointing. And during D3, when the final wagon on Auro formed PP was second on that as well. So that cements to idea that PP is replicating Alter Ego’s play in FGO 2 just about perfectly, except he fell off at critical moments.
Bee parallels Berserker!me because shortly before I died I professed a misguided faith that Alter Ego was town. I also think role play wise Bee kinda lines up with me what with the very disappointing cop checks and me being completely out of step with utilizing my abilities “the right way” as Berserker.
The labels of Caster, Assassin, and Lancer all go to who I think are the kill the night before ELo, the one dueling scum in ELo, and the one that decides the outcome, respectively.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:16 am
by Gamma Emerald
Spoiler: A selection of VCs that I think illustrate what I said about Penguin in my last post
In post 300, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.04

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
ManateeGal [4]:
PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald, Miss Midnight, Thor Ragnarok
Enchant [3]:
Titus, the worst, Harvey and Haley
the worst [2]:
Cat Scratch Fever, ManateeGal
Flea The Magician [1]:
Bee
Titus [1]:
Enchant
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, House


mod notes~ everyone has confirmed!


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In post 375, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.06

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
ManateeGal [4]:
PenguinPower, Miss Midnight, Thor Ragnarok, House
Enchant [3]:
Titus, the worst, Harvey and Haley
House [2]:
ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald
the worst [1]:
Cat Scratch Fever
Flea The Magician [1]:
Bee
Titus [1]:
Enchant
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ boop


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In post 700, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.08

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Thor Ragnarok [3]:
Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst
House [3]:
ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald, Bee
Gamma Emerald [2]:
House, Harvey and Haley
Cat Scratch Fever [2]:
Thor Ragnarok, Enchant
Enchant [1]:
Titus
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician
ManateeGal [1]:
PenguinPower

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ thanks for the kind wishes <3


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In post 750, GeorgeBailey wrote:
vote count 1.09

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
House [5]:
ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald, Bee, PenguinPower, Harvey and Haley
Thor Ragnarok [4]:
Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Titus
Gamma Emerald [1]:
House
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Enchant
Miss Midnight [1]:
Thor Ragnarok
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ ribbit


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In post 857, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.10

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
House [4]:
ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower, Harvey and Haley
Thor Ragnarok [4]:
Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Titus
Miss Midnight [2]:
Thor Ragnarok, Bee
Gamma Emerald [1]:
House
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Enchant
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 900, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.11

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Thor Ragnarok [5]:
Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Titus, PenguinPower
House [3]:
ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald, Harvey and Haley
Miss Midnight [2]:
Thor Ragnarok, Bee
Gamma Emerald [1]:
House
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Enchant
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 950, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.12

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Thor Ragnarok [5]:
Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, Titus, PenguinPower
House [2]:
ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald
Miss Midnight [1]:
Thor Ragnarok
Gamma Emerald [1]:
House
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Enchant
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician
Enchant [1]:
Bee

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, Harvey and Haley


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 1000, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.13

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Thor Ragnarok [3]:
Miss Midnight, Cat Scratch Fever, the worst
Enchant [3]:
Bee, Titus, PenguinPower
House [2]:
ManateeGal, Gamma Emerald
Miss Midnight [1]:
Thor Ragnarok
Gamma Emerald [1]:
House
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Enchant
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, Harvey and Haley


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 1100, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.16

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Enchant [4]:
Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal
Miss Midnight [3]:
Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever, Harvey and Haley
Thor Ragnarok [2]:
Miss Midnight, the worst
Harvey and Haley [2]:
Flea The Magician, Gamma Emerald
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Enchant
ManateeGal [1]:
House

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 1325, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.19

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Enchant [4]:
Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal
Gamma Emerald [4]:
Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Harvey and Haley
Miss Midnight [3]:
Cat Scratch Fever, House, Gamma Emerald
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Enchant

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 1350, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.20

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Gamma Emerald [5]:
Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Harvey and Haley, Enchant
Enchant [4]:
Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal
Miss Midnight [3]:
Cat Scratch Fever, House, Gamma Emerald
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 1476, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.21

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Gamma Emerald [6]:
Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Harvey and Haley, Enchant, Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant [4]:
Bee, Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal
ManateeGal [2]:
House, Gamma Emerald
Harvey and Haley [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 1650, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.24

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Gamma Emerald [6]:
Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Auro, Cat Scratch Fever, Flea The Magician
Enchant [6]:
Bee, PenguinPower, ManateeGal, House, Gamma Emerald, Titus

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, Enchant


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 1925, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.25

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
ManateeGal [4]:
Bee, Gamma Emerald, Thor Ragnarok, the worst
Gamma Emerald [3]:
Miss Midnight, Auro, Flea The Magician
Flea The Magician [2]:
Titus, Cat Scratch Fever
Enchant [2]:
PenguinPower, ManateeGal
Miss Midnight [1]:
House

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, Enchant


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2035, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.26

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
ManateeGal [6]:
Bee, Gamma Emerald, Thor Ragnarok, the worst, Flea The Magician, PenguinPower
Miss Midnight [2]:
House, Auro
Flea The Magician [1]:
Cat Scratch Fever
Gamma Emerald [1]:
Miss Midnight
Enchant [1]:
ManateeGal
Thor Ragnarok [1]
Titus

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, Enchant


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2100, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.28

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
ManateeGal [5]:
Bee, Gamma Emerald, the worst, House, Cat Scratch Fever
Miss Midnight [2]:
Auro, PenguinPower
Gamma Emerald [2]:
Miss Midnight, Thor Ragnarok
Enchant [1]:
ManateeGal
Thor Ragnarok [1]
Titus
Titus [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, Enchant


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2305, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.29

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Enchant [5]:
House, the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald
Titus [3]:
Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever
ManateeGal [2]:
Bee, Enchant
Miss Midnight [1]:
PenguinPower
Gamma Emerald [1]:
Miss Midnight
Thor Ragnarok [1]
Titus

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2325, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.30

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Enchant [5]:
the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald, Miss Midnight
Titus [5]:
Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever, House, Enchant
ManateeGal [1]:
Bee
Miss Midnight [1]:
PenguinPower
Thor Ragnarok [1]
Titus

not voting [1]:
Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2375, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.31

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).


yeet
Enchant [6]:
the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Bee
Titus [5]:
Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever, House, Enchant
Miss Midnight [1]:
PenguinPower

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, Miss Midnight


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2391, Datisi wrote:
vote count 1.final

with 14 votes in play, it took 8 to make a decision. day 1 ended.


yeet
Enchant [8]:
the worst, ManateeGal, Auro, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Bee, Cat Scratch Fever, House
[HAMMER]

Titus [3]:
Flea The Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Enchant
Miss Midnight [1]:
PenguinPower

not voting [2]:
Something_Smart, Miss Midnight


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2425, Datisi wrote:
vote count 2.01

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).


yeet
Auro [1]:
PenguinPower
Thor Ragnarok [1]:
Cat Scratch Fever
Miss Midnight [1]:
House

not voting [9]:
Flea the Magician, Something_Smart, Thor Ragnarok, Miss Midnight, Gamma Emerald, ManateeGal, Auro, Titus, Bee


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2538, Datisi wrote:
vote count 2.02

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).


yeet
Miss Midnight [4]:
PenguinPower, House, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever
Thor Ragnarok [1]:
Auro

not voting [7]:
Flea the Magician, Something_Smart, Thor Ragnarok, Miss Midnight, Gamma Emerald, Titus, Bee


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 2650, Datisi wrote:
vote count 2.03

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).


yeet
Miss Midnight [4]:
PenguinPower, House, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever
Thor Ragnarok [2]:
Auro, Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower [1]:
Something_Smart

not voting [5]:
Flea the Magician, Thor Ragnarok, Miss Midnight, Titus, Bee


mod notes~ i'm not counting , as georgebailey is immune to all lethal forces known to man, which includes yeeting.
~ this vc was made after a sleepless night with just thesp's vote counter while phoneposting, because i currently do not have the time to turn my laptop on and reread the game from the last vc. please let me know if there are errors. this mod note is about 95% an excuse to complain about insomnia.
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In post 2831, Datisi wrote:
vote count 2.05

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).


yeet
Miss Midnight [5]:
PenguinPower, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever, Bee, Gamma Emerald
Auro [2]:
Titus, Thor Ragnarok
Something_Smart [2]:
Flea The Magician, House
Thor Ragnarok [1]:
Auro
PenguinPower [1]:
Something_Smart

not voting [1]:
Miss Midnight


mod notes~ still making these only via the automatic vote counter, lemme know if there are errors.
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In post 2878, Datisi wrote:
vote count 2.final

with 12 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 2 ended.


yeet
Miss Midnight [7]:
PenguinPower, ManateeGal, Cat Scratch Fever, Bee, Gamma Emerald, Thor Ragnarok, House
[HAMMER]

Auro [1]:
Titus
Something_Smart [1]:
Flea The Magician
Thor Ragnarok [1]:
Auro

not voting [2]:
Miss Midnight, Something_Smart


mod notes~ dual mod iso


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In post 3002, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.03

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).


yeet
Something_Smart [4]:
Flea the Magician, Cat Scratch Fever, PenguinPower, Auro
Bee [1]:
Something_Smart

not voting [5]:
ManateeGal, Titus, Bee, Thor Ragnarok, Gamma Emerald


mod notes~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ dual mod iso


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In post 3050, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.04

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).


yeet
Something_Smart [2]:
Cat Scratch Fever, Auro
Bee [1]:
Something_Smart
Auro [1]:
Titus
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [5]:
ManateeGal, Bee, Thor Ragnarok, Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower


mod notes~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ dual mod iso


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In post 3075, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.05

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).


yeet
Auro [3]:
Titus, PenguinPower, ManateeGal
Something_Smart [2]:
Cat Scratch Fever, Auro
Bee [1]:
Something_Smart
Cat Scratch Fever [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [3]:
Bee, Thor Ragnarok, Gamma Emerald,


mod notes~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ dual mod iso


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In post 3175, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.06

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).


yeet
Auro [2]:
Titus, PenguinPower
Something_Smart [2]:
Cat Scratch Fever, Auro
Bee [2]:
Something_Smart, Flea The Magician

not voting [4]:
Bee, Thor Ragnarok, Gamma Emerald, StrangeMatter


mod notes~ StrangeMatter is the new ManateeGal
~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ gamma emerald v/la till the 24th
~ i'm currently sick, apologies if mod response times slow down
~ dual mod iso


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In post 3215, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.07

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-09-17 13:00:00).


yeet
Auro [4]:
Titus, PenguinPower, Something_Smart, Gamma Emerald
Something_Smart [2]:
Cat Scratch Fever, Auro
Bee [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [3]:
Bee, Thor Ragnarok, StrangeMatter


mod notes~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ gamma emerald v/la till the 24th
~ i'm currently sick, apologies if mod response times slow down
~ dual mod iso


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In post 3232, Datisi wrote:
vote count 3.final

with 10 votes in play, it took 6 to make a decision. day 3 ended.


yeet
Auro [6]:
Titus, PenguinPower, Something_Smart, Gamma Emerald, StrangeMatter, Bee
[HAMMER]

Something_Smart [2]:
Cat Scratch Fever, Auro
Bee [1]:
Flea The Magician

not voting [1]:
Thor Ragnarok


mod notes~ titus v/la september 17th to 20th
~ gamma emerald v/la till the 24th
~ i'm currently sick, apologies if mod response times slow down
~ dual mod iso


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VOTE: Penguin
At this point I’m pretty well locked in on this.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:18 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 3656, Gamma Emerald wrote:Bee parallels Berserker!me because shortly before I died I professed a misguided faith that Alter Ego was town.
To expand on this I recall also saying to yeet Rider, which I think has a more tangible parallel in Bee voting me as her last expression of suspicion, meanwhile the misplaced faith moreso applies to Pooky/CSF

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:28 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
delicious drama

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:29 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i am willing to sheep you on Pengy if you pay for it in blood.

all glory to you if you are right. but if bee is scum it is your fault :3

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:32 am
by Gamma Emerald
I don’t think that’s even necessary. Switching meta gears here, I feel like Enchant tried to paint the me vs. him as similar to him vs. SS in Radio Buzz.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:36 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
that doesn't do anything for me

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:38 am
by Gamma Emerald
Fine then. I’m okay with the paying in blood portion. I’m not okay with you lording it over me if I’m wrong. I’m not the one who expressed 100% read rate on anybody.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:44 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
well if bee is scum and i wanted to kill her and you were like nah lets kill best bird instead and we lost to bee-scum why wouldnt i :3

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:45 am
by Gamma Emerald
Do you actually think Bee is scum?

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:48 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
yea duh

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:49 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
do u not find it weird that ms first pick is still alive 5 days in as a claimed cop? lol

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:51 am
by Gamma Emerald
That is suspicious but I was expecting an actual case

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:53 am
by Gamma Emerald
Also, I have a question for you. Who do you think was most secure in believing they wouldn’t be checked last night?

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:01 am
by Cat Scratch Fever
In post 3669, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, I have a question for you. Who do you think was most secure in believing they wouldn’t be checked last night?
Well, Bee :P

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:07 am
by Cat Scratch Fever
In post 3668, Gamma Emerald wrote:That is suspicious but I was expecting an actual case
I think it's pretty significant? Neither you nor PP have anything to gain from the WIFOM of keeping ascetic cop alive. Killing Titus and keeping Town!Bee alive just trades an inno (Titus) for another inno (me).

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:09 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 3668, Gamma Emerald wrote:That is suspicious but I was expecting an actual case
she didnt say she was happy to roll town

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:10 am
by Bee
In post 3671, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 3668, Gamma Emerald wrote:That is suspicious but I was expecting an actual case
I think it's pretty significant? Neither you nor PP have anything to gain from the WIFOM of keeping ascetic cop alive. Killing Titus and keeping Town!Bee alive just trades an inno (Titus) for another inno (me).
Meh I think multiple people (or at least PP + Titus) came into the day saying I needed to die which like, yes, so there’s a benefit if scum thinks they’ll avoid my check.

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:10 am
by Bee
In post 3672, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3668, Gamma Emerald wrote:That is suspicious but I was expecting an actual case
she didnt say she was happy to roll town
I wish I was neighborizer. ):