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In post 3663, quadz08 wrote:.....

do you think he's scum or not? Or do you just think Garruk is scummier?

I think that either you or he is confirmed to have lied and we have better things to do than park our vote on half of a 1v1.

Ooba, why are you so invested in multiball when it's D4 and there's no indication that that's what we are dealing with?

- Des

You have better things to do

than park your vote on a 1v1 in which you think there's a guaranteed liar



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what.

Jesus christ.

One of you is still going to have lied five days from now when the deadline comes. I'm not in a rush to lynch right this second. Are you?

- Des

We don't have to lynch Right This Damn Second, no, but what the fuck is the point of having your vote elsewhere? Comment on and make cases on other people, sure, but if you're gonna end up voting one of us, why not just ?

So on one hand you're saying you don't want to lynch right now, but on the other you're demanding that I vote one of you--presumably you would demand this of everyone else as well...which would result in a lynch right now, right?

Garruk has no incentive to respond to pressure if the focus is on you and SD. There's no reason to be voting either of you unless the intention is to end the day.

- Des

They also have no incentive to respond to pressure if you publicly state you have no intention to lynch them, but that didn't stop you.

In post 3680, Cephrir wrote:They also have no incentive to respond to pressure if you publicly state you have no intention to lynch them, but that didn't stop you.

Where did I state that?

- Des

Messiah, I don't know if you've ever been on a wagon before, but *shocker* it's still to lynch either one of us. Fear of a lynch is silly. If you think Garruk is scummier, just fucking say so, don't dance around it like a ballerina on a merry-go-round.

So let's look at this.
1. We have two opposing claims.
2. We have a claimed vig asking for targets.

...is this lynch really not obvious? VOTE: SafetyDance...again.

RE: Desperado: Not particularly worred at the moment. Debate with me tomorrow, okay? Your case is half weak--the most useful part, I'll admit, is my pussyfooting around SpyreX yesterday. I don't really have a good explanation for my actions, I was mostly going off gut. I STILL think Agar is scum, though.

In post 3682, quadz08 wrote:Messiah, I don't know if you've ever been on a wagon before, but *shocker* it's still

6 more votes

to lynch either one of us. Fear of a lynch is silly. If you think Garruk is scummier, just fucking say so, don't dance around it like a ballerina on a merry-go-round.

zzzzz

You and SD have essentially removed yourselves from the playing field. Voting for one of you right now would be a waste of time. I am doing something else. If we cannot agree on a lynch by the time the deadline arrives, we have a 1v1 ready to default to, which is a hell of a lot better than a panic deadline lynch.

- Des

In post 3681, Messiah Complex wrote:

In post 3680, Cephrir wrote:They also have no incentive to respond to pressure if you publicly state you have no intention to lynch them, but that didn't stop you.

Where did I state that?

- Des

In post 3677, Messiah Complex wrote:Jesus christ.

One of you is still going to have lied five days from now when the deadline comes. I'm not in a rush to lynch right this second. Are you?

- Des

Implies you ultimately plan on lynching SD/quadz

And if not then you really should plan on it

No, it implies what I just said--if we can't agree on a better lynch, then we can just default to SD/Quadz at the deadline.

- Des

I don't see what could possibly be "better" than a 1v1

You aren't thinking long-term if you really believe that.

Lynching SD/Quadz today is not the right play.

- Des

FFS, why didn't you just say that in the first place.

I mean I'm pretty sure I did when I said I had better things to do than park my vote on half of a 1v1, you just didn't understand it.

What are your reads Quadz?

- Des

In post 3683, Garruk Relentless wrote:So let's look at this.
1. We have two opposing claims.
2. We have a claimed vig asking for targets.

...is this lynch really not obvious? VOTE: SafetyDance...again.

RE: Desperado: Not particularly worred at the moment. Debate with me tomorrow, okay? Your case is half weak--the most useful part, I'll admit, is my pussyfooting around SpyreX yesterday. I don't really have a good explanation for my actions, I was mostly going off gut. I STILL think Agar is scum, though.

How about the vig vigges one of SD/Quadz tonight and we do something else entirely today?

This is what I was talking about--Garruk has taken the easy way out, slapped a vote on SD and literally called it a day.

That isn't scummy.

Why do we not want to clear up these opposing claims, Desp?

In any case, I'm not calling it a day. I think I've actually been more active today than other days. Your case has literally been half quoting my posts and saying "this is scummy".

So do you advocate ending the day now or not?

Because Garruk is pressuring the lynch to go through and scheduling a date for tomorrow, which reads to me like they're done talking for today.

And for you to say that isn't scummy, you must agree that there is nothing left to accomplish today and we should just lynch SD--even when the option of leaving SD to a vig and getting an additional flip is available.

- Des

In post 3693, Garruk Relentless wrote:Why do we not want to clear up these opposing claims, Desp?

In any case, I'm not calling it a day. I think I've actually been more active today than other days. Your case has literally been half quoting my posts and saying "this is scummy".

...

I just said the vig can take care of it tonight, didn't I?

- Des

In post 3694, Messiah Complex wrote:So do you advocate ending the day now or not?

Because Garruk is pressuring the lynch to go through and scheduling a date for tomorrow, which reads to me like they're done talking for today.

And for you to say that isn't scummy, you must agree that there is nothing left to accomplish today and we should just lynch SD--even when the option of leaving SD to a vig and getting an additional flip is available.

- Des

Why does every fucking day have to go to deadline? If we're calling random shit scummy, that's scummy.

I mean, we have a plan of attack today & tonight. I don't know why you're advocating leaving him for the vig? I mean, if you wanna play that game, why not just lynch SD and get an additional flip from the vig? Works both ways, bro.

In post 3696, Garruk Relentless wrote:

In post 3694, Messiah Complex wrote:So do you advocate ending the day now or not?

Because Garruk is pressuring the lynch to go through and scheduling a date for tomorrow, which reads to me like they're done talking for today.

And for you to say that isn't scummy, you must agree that there is nothing left to accomplish today and we should just lynch SD--even when the option of leaving SD to a vig and getting an additional flip is available.

- Des

Why does every fucking day have to go to deadline? If we're calling random shit scummy, that's scummy.

I mean, we have a

clear and obvious

plan of attack today & tonight. I don't know why you're advocating leaving him for the vig? I mean, if you wanna play that game, why not just lynch SD and get an additional flip from the vig? Works both ways, bro.

No, it doesn't work both ways, because my plan gives us information about every slot regarding the flip, while your plan only gives us information on the Vig's slot regarding the flip. It is more efficient, and will produce more information, to rely on night play to sort out SD/Quadz and lynch literally anyone else today.

- Des

I'd believe this more if I didn't think the town would just end up navel-gazing. Like, let me tell you what'll happen.

You run me up, Ceph/Quadz/SD prob join cuz it's a counterwagon, Tierce+Tammy+others prob chainsaw me. I claim early so I don't get lynched by someone who "forgot" I'm hated, you guys all begrudgingly unvote and we sit there and navel-gaze, then we go into a scramble with 24 hours to deadline again and lynch SD.

Moreover, isn't Titus supposed to do her mass redirect thing tonight? If so, we likely won't even get our vigshot, so you're plan is just stupid and keeps this controversy going another day.

So what if it keeps going? SD/Quadz have confirmed themselves as a T/S pair--can you actually explain we need to take care of it immediately?

- Des