Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 4]

Anyway, I told G4 that when G1 flips scum he's next several times in no uncertain terms and then he and G1 both decided to start calling me scum. This situation isn't rocket science.
G4 is trying to not even let me get a flip off on G1: where's the town motivation in that? What if I'm right? Isn't it correct to verify that my reads are actually wrong before deciding to push me for that?
On the other hand, if I'm voting scum whose flip makes G4 look awful and there's no real way out for scum after G1 goes down, since G4 is more townread yes forcing this 1v1 is an obvious play for scum to make.
I am going to vote Gentleman 4 because I think that it's more important that he go down than that Gentleman 1 go down since G1 isn't really making late game but a lot of people townread G1.

VOTE: G4

That's an awful lot of explanation.

An awful lot more than you needed.

[Gentleman 5]

I want you or me today, and if I don't get lynched and you flip town, I want Lady 3 to leave.

Ok you are aware that we just did that earlier

P-Edit: It was for townpoints, thats the point of the gambit

Ok sure, but I've been thinking about mine for several IRL days now, probably close to a week. And I'm serious about mine.

And he's serious about mine.

Also yeah you're right in that it was a gambit, but the fact that he was trying to grab extra town points doesn't ring alarm bells in your head? Why not just do it for real.

Ive stopped questioning the dude.

[Gentleman 4]

Unfortunately your explanation doesn't even make sense.

If we win if we flip scum in this phase

why does it matter which of us flips first if one of us is scum?

[Gentleman 4]

Ive stopped questioning the dude.

That's the problem.

[Gentleman 6]

The most important thing to explain here is why they shouldn't townread you for this specific outburst because this kind of shit tends to get townread.
See: Shoshin in baton pass making a similar outburst against noted town player RadiantCowbells because RadiantCowbells was pushing for 2 scum to die.

She got townread.

Unfortunately your explanation doesn't even make sense.

If we win if we flip scum in this phase

why does it matter which of us flips first if one of us is scum?

I mean, it doesn't. So why is it scummy for me to switch to you? You yourself said that you wanted the 1v1 against me and I'm obliging: how are you pushing that as a scumtell?

[Gentleman 4]

I think we've both at least hinted at suspecting the other for a very long time.

[Gentleman 5]

Im honestly thinking of leaving.

Im tired of going in circles.

I just dont know if our flips do anything to benefit town.

[Gentleman 6]

Im honestly thinking of leaving.

Im tired of going in circles.

I just dont know if our flips do anything to benefit town.

don't leave.

[Gentleman 6]

Im honestly thinking of leaving.

Im tired of going in circles.

I just dont know if our flips do anything to benefit town.

don't leave.

[Gentleman 6]

I don't think that anyone thinks that you're scum anymore, G5.

[Gentleman 4]

The most important thing to explain here is why they shouldn't townread you for this specific outburst because this kind of shit tends to get townread.
See: Shoshin in baton pass making a similar outburst against noted town player RadiantCowbells because RadiantCowbells was pushing for 2 scum to die.

She got townread.

Unfortunately your explanation doesn't even make sense.

If we win if we flip scum in this phase

why does it matter which of us flips first if one of us is scum?

I mean, it doesn't. So why is it scummy for me to switch to you? You yourself said that you wanted the 1v1 against me and I'm obliging: how are you pushing that as a scumtell?

Shoshin didn't get town read for that, at least not by the majority of players.

In addition, in Fire on the Mountain where noted scum player RadiantCowbells had a conveniently town process that lead to the lynch of scum on day 1, but then shortly after that somehow lost his process - it became completely unfollowable.

[Gentleman 1]

G5 being so matched with me in how we view this makes me feel just that much better about my beliefs. I recall G6 throwing some hate his way as well, so I definitely get the sense the mafia at this point are just {G3, L5, G6}.

notice that

scum are both pushing the agenda that i'm scum all of a sudden

because they realize there is no path to endgame without killing me via lynch

I think my best defense to this idea is that I took way too long to do anything here. If I were scum do you think I wait until the walls are closing in to start to make my move? No, I act when I see the signs, not just because it serves me better, but because I have more intel gathering potential with my two scumbuddies. Another thing is if I was scum why do I devote myself to catching up in the way I have? As scum I would have avenues out of that problem and I could likely do it without anyone blinking at me doing it.

It's not inspiring much confidence to see your best defense be that you're playing too badly to be scum :/ people who play poorly as Town can play mediocrely as scum too

As scum I would have a support network. This entire situation is like a dogfight. If I were scum, my teammates would act as my wingmen and cover me when I am having issues. But that has not been the case. I seem to be largely on my own here.

Honestly, if you don’t trust me here, just leave. It spares me having to try to make up all the ground I have lost up to this point, and saves everyone else the distraction. I would do it myself but I trust you still so I don’t want to screw things up. I just ask that people actually get rid of the G8/L5 pairing when mine goes, regardless of which way it happens. I don’t think that pair has any reason to stay around, G8 has done nothing and L5 is a train wreck worse than the Macbeth supply depot.

[Gentleman 4]

I think it should also be noted that it is relatively typical for scum player RadiantCowbells to have an easy process that works for the entirety of the game as town, and one that somehow doesn't work halfway through the game as scum.

[Gentleman 5]

G6, I assume you’ve been here the whole game.

G4 and his partner have been joined at the hip for 99% of the game even at the beginning. What do you think of that?

[Gentleman 6]

This entire situation was borne out of my locking in G3/L6 as an endgame pairing and wanting to lynch L1.
I even said that because I don't trust L8 enough to want to personally be an endgame pairing, I planned to leave well in advance of my pairing being a threat to town wincon if one of us was scum.

Shoshin didn't get town read for that, at least not by the majority of players.

In addition, in Fire on the Mountain where noted scum player RadiantCowbells had a conveniently town process that lead to the lynch of scum on day 1, but then shortly after that somehow lost his process - it became completely unfollowable.

Actually, she did. Sakura Hana for example locked her as town well before she faked a trust tell. Most people were already refusing to vote Shoshin before that happened.

[Gentleman 6]

G6, I assume you’ve been here the whole game.

G4 and his partner have been joined at the hip for 99% of the game even at the beginning. What do you think of that?

I have had both slots as potential deepwolves since the very early stages of the game.

[Gentleman 4]

In fact, scum player RadiantCowbells some how mas many things in common with the items noted here.

[Gentleman 1]

The only reason someone should leave is if they absolutely do not trust their partner to be town. Otherwise I feel like the disservice to your partner makes it the wrong move.

[Gentleman 6]

Also, we've seen literally 1 flip this game. Lady 1. Who I said was almost definitely town and should get a partner. So you're pushing the case that my reads are wrong without a single flip that goes against what I'm proposing. Even you weren't considering G1/L2 as a potential endgame pairing: if you were town you would have waited to see that flip both in order to use it against me if it was wrong and to make absolutely sure that your push on me was correct.

[Gentleman 5]

Fuck it, L4 can whine about it later.

VOTE: G4/L3

[Gentleman 4]

Also, we've seen literally 1 flip this game. Lady 1. Who I said was almost definitely town and should get a partner. So you're pushing the case that my reads are wrong without a single flip that goes against what I'm proposing. Even you weren't considering G1/L2 as a potential endgame pairing: if you were town you would have waited to see that flip both in order to use it against me if it was wrong and to make absolutely sure that your push on me was correct.

No, I'm not reading you based on your reads, I'm reading you based on your process.

[Gentleman 4]

Fuck it, L4 can whine about it later.

VOTE: G4/L3

You should wait

I'm waiting on something and then I can share my reads.

[Lady 5]

I want you or me today, and if I don't get lynched and you flip town, I want Lady 3 to leave.

Calm down!
Stop being Garbage!
We don’t need a repeat of what I did.
We stick to the plan. (G1 and L2 Lynch)

[Gentleman 4]

After I've shared my entire game reads you can vote me to your hearts content.

[Gentleman 6]

Put yourself in G4's shoes here. Do you really believe he goes after me for having wrong reads without seeing the results of a single push that I've made?
It's a terrible idea because he doesn't know if I'm flipping scum or town, and it's a terrible idea because he's pushing the lynch entirely on conjecture.
Whereas if he knows that the G1 flip is going to immediately lead to his own, then yes, he is going to go after me now before the flip because the flip is already a lose condition for him.