In post 3626, Noraa wrote: In post 3613, JacksonVirgo wrote:I'm going to say this as blunt as I can, if you take it as an insult then I apologize but I'm not going to beat around the bush as this is my thoughts. If anyone expects me to eliminate my clear simply because you have a conspiracy theory that they're an Ascetic just because an Ascetic would fit thematically you are literally insane. Actually, I just remembered that the Motion Detector got a positive result on them, meaning they simply aren't.
Ok so I see why ur not willing to lim DGB but I'm going to try my best to work around that.
Objectively, for me anyway, it's better to eliminate outside of DGB so that's within you, mark and infinity. I am NOT confbiasing when I scum-read you, do you honestly not see that you force a 1v1 with my clear, and expect me not to scum-read you. I do not really care if you know you are Town, if it worked like that we would win from D1 every single game.
I hope you agree that out of DGB and me there has to be a scum. Don't be quick to assume it is me this time. Listen to me and try to understand where I am coming from.
I never said I disagreed that you/DGB contained one scum, I feel I've been fairly open about that even considering I called you out on contradicting this logic (which you started mind I add)
For the sake of thinking from ur perspective, lets assume the scum team is Noraa/Mark. DGB is a town RBer, Jack is town JOAT, and Infinity is a vt.
Ok so the moment this day started, I charged in with a DGB vote. Isn't this nearly suicide to 1v1 ur top TR? Like no shit I know DGB is your top TR. You made it clear as hell yesterday. Sure I didn't know it was because u investigated them but still, I don't start out attacking a town RBer. Scum 1000000000% attack infinity here. Think about it. How much easier would it be to get 1 singular vote on a vt than on a town RBer that the town JOAT thinks is locktown?
This is assuming you're scum. You don't necessarily need to convince me to win, you can win via convincing the other Town within Mark/Infinity to vote wrongly (aka on DGB) and you speed-hammer. You are also side-swiping Mark here and refusing to case them so you could also be swinging to them without making it seem like unnatural progression
Now lets flip to my perspective for a sec.
I came into this day with zero plan or anything. I was just like "Mom says DGB. DGB it is" Like there was nothing else to it at all.
I hope you understand this doesn't hold any weight, and it also shows that you're not really possessing a solving mindset, you're sheeping a dead Mason. If it was a random Town in a group of Townie people (such as myself/momrangal). Sheeping them
could
hold weight as they were killed instead of myself etc but they're a Mason so they were dead regardless and their death means nothing about their reads.
I started realizing you were town through your frustration. You felt genuinely upset and I believe you think DGB is town and me scum and if you believe that, you are town. I started seeing it pretty fast.
I came into this day not sure if anyone but DGB was scum. Yesterday, I had noticed a tone shift from DGB in that they were a lot more kind and meek which was the main reason I wanted DGB on the chopping block today.
Once I realized you were town, I also realized that the scum team cannot possibly be marky/infinity. I parked my vote on DGB and before I removed it, everyone had checked into the thread. If the team were infinity/marky, game would be over.
From my perspective, you, jacko, are obvtown. I am town. Marky/Infinity cannot logically be the scum team. DGB must be in the scum team even by poe.
Why is Mark/Infinity an impossible scum-team? If you actually have a solid reason to think they're both not together I can sort of see where you're at as you're trying to explain a mechanical lock-scum but honestly it just seems your trying to show that your reads have a progression rather than "Yeah they're lock-scum now because there's no room otherwise". Why Mark over Infinity though, you say you got lazy and can't case Mark and then you also say that you only had them as PoE scum so that again contradicts yourself, care to explain these? As it is right now if you can't explain your contradictions then you're always going to a step below my mech-cleared and also my ability-cleared DGB.
Why do you think I'm scum? I thought about this question a bit last night. I may be totally jackshit wrong but I'm going to say why I think you don't believe me. I feel like its out of fear of losing to scum!Noraa as I am known for good scum games and you have modded two of my flawless wins.
I think you're scum because you're not showing a naturally progressive posts, you are contradicting yourself to high heaven and you're also dead set right in the middle of a 1v1 with my clear. If you
are
Town in this position and assume I am the final vote between the pair of you, you'll be fighting an uphill battle so I am sorry if you're Town but just see my position and don't blast me if I make the wrong call, bad position I'm in.
But the thing is I want you to think about a few questions. Think about them and answer them yourself and then talk to me about it.
1) Is my every post in this game loaded fully with AtE and with the intent of manipulating every person in the game? (do not look at my posts. think from memory. can you think of a single time where I AtE'd here)
I do not remember if EVERY post in this game was, nobody's is so this is a hyperbolic question to make a statement yeah? Your posts regarding me being obvtown seems incredibly pocketing and when I am opposing your reads you discredit me by saying I am just wrong, stupid etc and then the next few posts you say how much you love me or whatnot. It's like you're trying to get me on your good side while pushing me into your agenda.
2) Am I efforting in this game? Is any of that effort going towards self preservation?
Efforting? You're pushing an agenda regardless of alignment so I would count that as efforting yes, and you are indeed self-pressing as you contradicted yourself to save your sweet ass when the 1v1 logic turned against you.
3) What are the benefits towards me 1v1'ing your top TR? (Trust me I know how tunneled you get. You wouldn't let go of me in 2177.)
I don't know what scum is planning but I've said two scenarios I think is probably the two situations occam's razor whispered into my ears. Either you're trying to get one Town within myself and the other within Infinity/Mark to vote wrong and then speed-hammer or you're willingly sacking yourself to give your buddy the advantage going into tomorrow. The first would lead to Infinity!Scum and the latter Mark!Scum.
4) Seriously, have I even been ATTEMPTING to look townie in general this game? (think about my refusal to read the game. calling masons stupid. calling everyone scummy.)
Yes you have been, you have also been blatantly saying how obvtown you are so you are definitely aware that you are trying or "are acting" townie.
5) Is my scum game this bad? (take a while for this one. I think you know the answer but refuse to accept it)
Obviously you're not bad, even if you're scum this game, you got this far after all. I know that you are better at scum than as Town, but that doesn't excuse all the logic where you're scum over DGB from my perspective. If you want to elim scum today, and you are indeed Town try and solve within Infinity/Mark and convince me that I should vote them over you.
