I like all the characters, but the Ironclad the least. He's mechanically simple but whenever I start a run with him, I'm like "wait, but how do I even win with this character" and either I lose or I see feel no pain at some point.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:32 am
by Faker
I'm through page 72, which is a bit into Day 2.
My reads really haven't changed at all, though I see no further reason to townread Skitter in it. Meuh's Day 2 reaction was good though I did question the reasoning behind the vote on Pav. I think it's interesting how much more comfortable Pav was interacting with worst than any of the other players.
I did not find the back/forth between Aristeia and worst townie. As much as I hate to revisit exactly what went wrong FMPOV, Aristeia was guilt tripping and being manipulative and I can see why worst was sick of it. This also isn't the first time that worst has had clashes with Aristeia, this makes at least 3. I really don't think the replace-out or the dialogue around it was town-indicative. It's someone who was putting what time they could into the game, didn't agree with her arguments, and was sick of her. I think only #2 is plausibly +town, but looking at the arguments I did not find it so.
I thought this was a massive +scum flag for the worst:
In post 1819, Pavowski wrote:I don't love reading people when emotions are high but I think Ari's reactions with TW last night (hate to see you go Duck) are towny
I think Pav was aware of the perceptions for worst and thought this distance was free.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:38 am
by Faker
I'm about to take a break. I don't see what Isis sees in Coral, especially now that I know that those early nuanced solving posts were shortly upon replace-in.
In post 1858, Pavowski wrote:Let me preface by saying that this whole conversation makes me uncomfortable, not just because the Duck is my dude, but because the moment you start trying to figure out people's emotional reactions to things it quickly becomes a minefield and I don't wanna stick my foot in my mouth more than I do just as a result of talking generally
But I think it's easy as scum to have that "worst possible interpretation" view when other people post things and I think it's possible that played a role here
I dunno, as I'm saying this I feel like it sounds stupid, and I think it's only barely useful -- if at all -- to be basing a read on a player who has now exited the game. I just get really uncomfortable when people take things personally, and I'm a little bit socially handicapped anyway
And again I'm not saying all of the above = DuckScum, I was just noting that, in that particular exchange, you -- Ari -- struck me as townier. You could both be town
Anyway I feel awkward as hell now =\ I'm just gonna pretend that unpleasantness last night didn't happen and we just have a new face at our sundress party for some reason
Perhaps a bit unfairly, I legitimately think this is Pavowski feeling bad about a partner being townread for that rage-replaceout.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:10 am
by skitter30
In post 3673, Faker wrote:skitter even though i rationally know it was in fact because i've never seen you talk about a video game
i still feel like a HORRIBLY SEXIST PERSON FOR ASSUMING THE TIGER DID NOT PLAY SPIRE
and as much as i wish i could blame you for this it is THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS and i am sorry
I was suspicious of how weak his push was because I didn't feel like he really believed I was mafia.
and then when he started screaming at me I just wanted to get off the boat because I felt awful.
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:15 am
by Meuh
How many of these videos are there??
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:33 am
by Isis
In post 3673, Faker wrote:skitter even though i rationally know it was in fact because i've never seen you talk about a video game
i still feel like a HORRIBLY SEXIST PERSON FOR ASSUMING THE TIGER DID NOT PLAY SPIRE
and as much as i wish i could blame you for this it is THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS and i am sorry
Hafu is one of the biggest StS streamers y'know!
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:34 am
by Isis
If Ari has done this several times it just makes me want to trust her read.
Wrt worst
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:39 am
by Isis
Idr want to read Pavowskis associatives hard because he has the L all game
Those slots tend to manage associatives well if the player is decent and it's a decent player
I'd rather kill an independently scummy person
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:41 am
by Andante
I don't think we'll get too much from Pav tbh, like pav's vote was on no one a whole day... like, it almost has me thinking it's just skitter who voted for the towncred... I haven't read why skitter was voting or any of that, but just a thought after seeing VCs, cause the only reason a maf wouldn't even vote... they know they're going down.. don't wanna give anything away, so yeah, initially I was like, of skitter was first there!! but like, ehhh probably need to read into that...
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:45 am
by skitter30
Sigh >.>
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:46 am
by skitter30
I, again, could have just *not* started a pav wagon and then *not* hop off despite having ample oppurtunity to do so
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:46 am
by Andante
skitter... is it you? it should be Faker regardless of anything else, but yeah..
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:47 am
by skitter30
In post 3668, Faker wrote:At some point it sounds like I am going to have to play this Sprite tower game thing in order to understand the mafia one
It is a lot of fun tho, u shojld try it when ur computer recovers from its bandaid situation
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:47 am
by Andante
In post 3688, skitter30 wrote:I, again, could have just *not* started a pav wagon and then *not* hop off despite having ample oppurtunity to do so
it's ok... for now, I'm more set on Faker, but there's only like 4 options for 2 maf??
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:47 am
by skitter30
In post 3689, Andante wrote:skitter... is it you? it should be Faker regardless of anything else, but yeah..
No, but idk how to convey that anymore, i've been saying the same things for like a week
Pedit 6 from ur pov, no?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:48 am
by skitter30
Also what did u think abt my point r.e. meuh
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:49 am
by Andante
uhh I think I read it, but then there was all this unrelated talk and yeah.. what about Faker? that's like the 1 person I'm like super set on
I mean i guess i'd vote her if it was between faker and me, but i'm not convinced she's scum, and i didnt find your vc compelling
If anything, i think vca points to meuh
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:08 am
by Meuh
Here's what I'm thinking rn. Marci doesn't read like scum. Personally the TW/Ari interactions don't look particularly town indicative but considering the rest of her gameplay is like, fine, and several people are pretty confident on it I'm willing to just accept that. Then from there, Skitter and Faker have just not been acting in a way that seems partnered imo. Maybe I'm just blind to it.
If that's all correct, Cakez is just scum.
TLDR: If Marci and Coral are town, we get {Skitter, Faker, Cakez}. Skitter and Faker aren't paired, so Cakez would be scum either way.
He's mechanically simple but whenever I start a run with him, I'm like "wait, but how do I even win with this character" and either I lose or I see feel no pain at some point. 
