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c'est moi

don't expect a proper post for a little bit, unfortunately. this is basically the epitome of shittiness because n is absent and i'm pushing through all the massive piles of work i put off while i was performing last week. and we have a wagon on us.

-- quil

In post 3669, zMuffinMan wrote:

nero wrote:I would think that if I were in Voided shoes I’d be concerned ‘cause Muffin is using a nonsensical statement to defend me

i am? i never said there's no resistance to his wagon

In post 3243, zMuffinMan wrote:like most of the people voting other players are

also fine

with a voided lynch happening, so that's not really resistance.

At the point, Voided had escaped two lynches. He's now escaped 3 lynches and like no one but me and Baldy want that dead. If you don't think that's resistance then you are either scum or a fucking moron. Or my theory is that you are a fucking moron with a scum pm. That's some selective scum hunting. I still maintain that if everyone was fine with his lynch why hasn't it happened, tell me that.


Folks have town reads on Nero=resistance
Voided has an ability to escape lynches=//=resistance

Oh I also only quoted what I thought was relative. So whine about how I tampered with your post.

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

uʍop ǝpısdn (3): 1baldeagle1, ProHawk, Espeonage
Nero Cain (3): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan
zMuffinMan (2): Nero Cain, pieguyn
Garuda (1): Harakiri
BBmolla (1): Ghostly Penguin

Not Voting (4): VoidedMafia, Lost Butterfly, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn

Deadline for Day 5 is Thursday, December 5th, at 4:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

In post 3702, Magua wrote:Not Voting (4): VoidedMafia, Lost Butterfly, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn

In post 3703, Ghostly Penguin wrote:And here's really my biggest problem with Voided.

He's proclaiming with shitty reasoning that this hydra should change their vote because the lynch we want won't fly today, and is he trying to push one of these popular lynches through? Trying to get someone with more chance than Molla lynched?

No. He's sitting on his hands, commenting about everything but not voting on it. He has no agency in this part of the game. He's hoping it'll all die down. I'm also not liking uwop because even in my absence Penguin posted; they're a hydrae too, why aren't they posting/interacting, at least one head to give us something to interact with?

How do you know for sure that's why I'm not voting?

Also, where my vote is has little relevance to what I said to you. I don't need to be on a wagon or the leading wagon to tell you when you're being stupid with your vote.

In post 3670, zMuffinMan wrote:

nero wrote:All three of Espy, Pie, Hara are on all there so I wouldn’t be surprised to find scum there.

then who do you think is the scum among them?

Prob Pie. Maybe Hara, idk.

nero wrote:Gost has been lurking

i am 100% certain this is not game-related

????

Your top 5 scum reads please.

In post 3674, Ghostly Penguin wrote:Nero, I know you've played with me fucking before and you're able to track this hydra's activitiy, so you're either being fucking lazy or scum. Or both

What does tracking your hydra's activity have to do with anything

In post 3681, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 3663, Nero Cain wrote:But a muffin flip points towards you being scum, amirite?

No because muffin's called me town without defending me.

I don't think that

Nero: vOIDED IS STILL ALIVE, LOOK AT ALL THAT RESISTANCE!!!
Muffin: Not true, there's been no resistance to his wagon.
Nero: Ok why is he still alive if this were true?

and now we're waiting on him to make up answer that he thinks would make any sort of sense.

Is not defending you.

In post 3663, Nero Cain wrote:no? I mean back in the day I'd NEVER get town read so it was like a dead giveaway if anyone had a town read on me though lately (and you can check my games for proof.) I get defended by town. I mean its not impossible to buy that scum are defending me but come on.

Why are you demanding a readthrough of a game/s from someone who has neither the time nor the inclination to read them (nor really the ability to properly analyze what I'm reading)?

You are posting here a lot....so why do you have so much time to post here but you to have time to not read other games. Also, if my getting defended by scum (if UD/Empcho flips scum) why would you not want to skim past games to show you that I often get defended by both town and scum? Do you not care what my alignment is? 'Cause that's that that looks like. Finally, why are you singling out UD and Empcho here, they are not the only ones defending me.

In post 3663, Nero Cain wrote:He also seems pretty disconnected from the game.

Aces was disconnected, yet he turned up scum. What makes Mhork different?

Molla pretty much is disconnected from the game, more or less, too.

You are scumreading Molla yet according to your logic you shouldn't.

In post 3663, Nero Cain wrote:I also still find it pretty scummy that he was calling Muffin “bleeding town” but didn’t see Muffin defending him.

I don't remember this. Muffin and I were the two people he called obvtown effectively because we defended him D2 instead of you.

So whomever defends him he calls obvtown. This raises no red flags for you?

Anys, here's the post where he calls Muffing "bleeding town" but supposedly doesn't notice Muffin defending him.

In post 1610, Lord Mhork wrote:Was muffin defending me? He's just been bleeding town over the last few pages. 0.o

In post 3674, Ghostly Penguin wrote:has been cussing like a sailor like he's done every game.

Is this new because I don't recall seeing this before?

It pains me to say that but I agree with Voided here. My remembrance of AMOL was that he was forceful but I don't remember him cussing it up and acting all angry like. Morph also didn't think this was AMOL Gost.

I think a muffin/voided lynch are our best bets today.

In post 3705, Nero Cain wrote:Is not defending you

...That's not what I said.

This is EXACTLY what I said in that quote: Muffin called me town without defending me. I didn't add anything else to that statement, I didn't say "Muffin did that, and he's defending me". Why are you putting words in my mouth?

In post 3705, Nero Cain wrote:You are posting here a lot....so why do you have so much time to post here but you claim to have time to not read other games.

Just because I have the ability to post here doesn't mean I have the ability to do the functions you request of me. Furthermore, my focus is on this game, not what you may or may not have done previously, and I have little inclination to trawl through other games for little nuggets that I may not find or even be able to properly apply if I do find them.

Meta analysis is simply not my thing, now stop asking me to do it.

In post 3705, Nero Cain wrote:Also, if my getting defended by scum (if UD/Empcho flips scum) why would you not want to skim past games to show you that I often get defended by both town and scum?

See above.

In post 3705, Nero Cain wrote:Do you not care what my alignment is?

Rhetorical?

In post 3705, Nero Cain wrote:Finally, why are you singling out UD and Empcho here, they are not the only ones defending me.

They're the two people I'm suspecting right now (though Garuda isn't in that pile anymore as he didn't do the "Nero is town cuz meta" thing), other than you.

In post 3705, Nero Cain wrote:You are scumreading Molla yet according to your logic you shouldn't.

You're suggesting Mhork is scum for, among other things, being disconnected from the game; I'm not.

Also, that doesn't answer my question.

In post 3705, Nero Cain wrote:So whomever defends him he calls obvtown. This raises no red flags for you?

Like, do you NOT remember that I was the first person to actually point that out in-thread?

In post 1608, Voidedmafia wrote:Also, Mhork seems to be townread anyone who defends him. It's beginning to smell like buddying.

In post 3705, Nero Cain wrote:Anys, here's the post where he calls Muffing "bleeding town" but supposedly doesn't notice Muffin defending him.

Ah, there's a small gem.

My question, though, is why feign that you don't know that you're being defended? I could understand not wanting to straight out say "Hey, thanks for defending me," but that kind of pseudo-ignorance is weird.

nero wrote:

In post 3669, zMuffinMan wrote:i never said there's no resistance to his wagon

In post 3243, zMuffinMan wrote:like most of the people voting other players are

also fine

with a voided lynch happening, so that's not really resistance.

At the point, Voided had escaped two lynches. He's now escaped 3 lynches and like no one but me and Baldy want that dead. If you don't think that's resistance then you are either scum or a fucking moron.

look, dipshit, i'll explain this simply one more time because i don't want anyone actually reading your bullshit to get the idea that you have a point here.

i claimed there was no resistance to the voided wagon; i specifically pointed out at least one person who was against the voided wagon vehemently (mhork) and others who had vague townreads on him. what i did say is ask you about is what the "resistance" you were referring to was because most of the people who were voting other players were also fine with a voided lynch. now, your claim is that other wagons getting lynched over him points to resistance to his wagon, so i asked you to justify this by telling me which of the players pushing the counter-wagons were scum. you've only recently given three names, but none of those names were really those counter-wagons, they were just on those counter-wagons. they didn't make them happen. so where the fuck was the resistance coming from, nero?

not only that, but my point about you wasn't just that there was resistance to your wagon, but that the resistance was coming from people who were ignoring all the arguments for you being scum and simply calling you town based on "town meta". and you keep conveniently ignoring this point, which is the fucking crux of the reason i dislike the people defending you. and it's funny because in the post of yours two posts prior to that one you quoted above, you know this is my argument. you leaving it out now is yet another example of you being totally fucking dishonest in the way you're arguing with me.

nero wrote:Your top 5 scum reads please.

you, prohawk, garuda, 2 of {bbMolla, baldy, espeonage}

nero wrote:I still maintain that if everyone was fine with his lynch why hasn't it happened, tell me that.

btw, there are a number of possible reasons the voided wagon might not have happened yet, in the same way there are a number of reasons the seanald wagon didn't happen til D3 (despite a vast majority of the game scum reading him since D1). was the resistance to the seanald wagon D1/D2 because he was scum, too, nero?

yeah i'm deliberately being a prick with that question because your reasoning is so downright stupid it doesn't deserve addressing seriously

also, since you're using a counter-wagon on scum as an argument for resistance to the voided wagon, you are basically arguing that voided and his two buddies are the root cause of all the resistance to the voided wagon, so...

go on, analyse those wagons and show me which two players were responsible for those voided "counter-wagons"

voided, who are you thinking about voting today? do you actually think there's a chance nero is town here?

ok, I'll play with you all ~
I first wanted to see uwop's reaction since I think zmuffin + uwop is a plausible scumteam, but I don't think that'll happen any time soon, so

1. attitude about reaction tests

In post 2086, zMuffinMan wrote:omfg

cant believe you hammered so quick

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this sort of joke seriousness about reaction tests is smth I attribute more to scum zmuffin than town zmuffin. i went through the towngames morph linked in her meta analysis, and I didn't see anything like this in any of his towngames - however, he did the exact same shit in imperishable night as scum

In post 1611, zMuffinMan wrote:should i fakehammer?

In post 1612, zMuffinMan wrote:

Vote: BRO

2. reaction to being voted

In post 3614, zMuffinMan wrote:

In post 3697, zMuffinMan wrote:if you're really

that

worried about me, then just hit scum today and it won't be fucking mylo tomorrow

and if you're just going to lynch me and go back to trying to lynch ud tomorrow, then you should just be ignored for the rest of this game

flat denial. also matches morph's assessment that he gives a flat "no" as scum when voted

again drawing parallel to imperishable night

In post 167, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't have the energy to headdesk. i'm going to lie down for a bit.

3. more reactions to being voted

In post 3202, zMuffinMan wrote:yeah, well, you're a derp and i don't give two shits whether you think i'm scum. you're naive and clueless if you really believe there weren't scum eagerly jumping on the seanald lynch. iirc, outside of PV and prohawk and maybe a couple others i forget, no one showed interest in getting a seanald wagon going D3, prior to the last 24 hours before the deadline. if he was really that fucking scummy, and that was such a town-driven wagon, it wouldn't have taken 13 fucking days days to happen.

here I voted him and, in addition to the straight denial, he injects the seanald wagon into the mix. he admitted postgame that when I was suspecting him in imperishable night he inject unrelated shit into the mix to get my attention away from him. this seems like the same thing.

4. again drawing conclusions from morph's meta check - practically all his posts are serious. I couldn't find any whimsical posts in his ISO at all @_@

5. massive "LYNCH NERO" wall is another thing I attribute more to scum zmuffin

In post 2806, zMuffinMan wrote:gonna go over voided's ISO when i finish catching up in all my games

in the mean time, here's something to think about

Spoiler:

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again a parallel to imperishable night

In post 3663, Nero Cain wrote:Prohawk is my top town read .

Why?

In post 3663, Nero Cain wrote:Don’t really like the way Espy and Empcho and Pie have switched their reads on me. Empcho gets some flack for a null-leaning town read on me so they switch to vote me?

When did this happen, Nero?

In post 3663, Nero Cain wrote:I'm pretty much in agreence with this though I'd like to add that PV also had a p strong town read on me

We shouldn't trust PV's reads unless they're on you?

In post 3666, Harakiri wrote:Speak to me of your woes, Scumcho.

I'm currently fine with Nero Cain, surprisingly.

If Imperishable Night hadn't happened, I would suspect Ghostly Penguin, but they played extremely similar there (town looking posts every once in a while but otherwise not shit). Mhork is coasting now that Pyro stopped talking and I'm paranoid we're experiencing a Mafia Xenologue situation, although the medium going through when he could have talked to flipped scum means that he's probably not left hand. Baldeagle had a strong Day 1 and then nothing, Espeonage hasn't done shit. I do feel better about Muffin though! Why are you okay with Nero?

In post 3675, Ghostly Penguin wrote:

In post 3674, Ghostly Penguin wrote:

In post 3663, Nero Cain wrote:I can’t read PA. Gost has been lurking and his dropping unnecessary F bombs does seem like fake rage.

File this one under: "I'm much too lazy to hear what they're talking about so they're scummy because I can't read PA and Ghostlin has been cussing like a sailor like he's done every game. Also, Ghost's been lurking. Nero, I know you've played with me fucking before and you're able to track this hydra's activitiy, so you're either being fucking lazy or scum. Or both.

The only reason why I've not hated Nero Cain to death is PA says that his death tunnels are his town meta. Otherwise I'd want rope for both him and Molla.

They are. This doesn't seem like his normal town meta death tunnels.

In post 3681, Voidedmafia wrote:I believe because he posted yesterday after DL got used, or something like that? That's what's been stated today, anyways.

And because his attack on pieguy, apparently.

In post 3701, Nero Cain wrote:Voided has an ability to escape lynches=//=resistance

Why do you think he keeps escaping lynches?

Pieguy, a lot of the observations you made seem like personality traits over anything else, but I'll look over it again in a minute.

Mhork, what are your reads?

pieguy,

(1) which games did you look at to see how i react to fakehammering as town? because there's really nothing i can say here other than, "nuh uh, you're wrong". what i did in that other game was a bit different (and wasn't even a reaction to a fake hammer) so you're drawing a false parallel here. i joked about it here because it was such a bad reaction test that it was lolworthy. you came out and admitted it was a fakehammer before anyone had even given any reactions. *shrug* that's what i do as town when i see something that ridiculous happen - if you don't know this, then you haven't done much meta research on me

(2) even ignoring the fact that the two posts you just quoted with my reactions to being voted aren't the flat-out "denial" that morph was referring to, your reasons for voting me were flimsy. you were essentially calling for a policy lynch on me with your last vote, because you've admitted you'd probably be reading me as town if you trusted your gut and i'm not even your top scum read, but you don't want to make a mistake and mislynch me at mylo. that's why i called your argument really fucking dumb in 3696. me rolling my eyes at your vote on me 3613 is because it was a similarly bad vote that came from nowhere.

(3) again, you're completely missing what morph was referring to when he noted "flat out denial" is how i respond to votes as scum (of course i'm going to deny i'm scum, as either alignment, they were talking about how the way i did it was different as scum), but you're drawing another false parallel here. what happened in imperishable night is i tried to throw something you left out into the mix of your VCA to skew your view of it. i didn't "throw the seanald wagon into the mix" to distract anything, who brought it up and i commented on it.

(4) . . . . . you do realise that you're using my joke "reaction" to your fake-hammer as a point against me in the same post you're claiming i'm being serious in all my posts, right? like, that kind of destroys this point altogether

(5) yeah, wanna know why i did that in imperishable night? because it came the metadive morph did on me here and i knew i had to change things up while playing against them as scum. i did it deliberately in that game because they know i'm town here and i was trying to throw them off.

(6) it's confirmed you got roleblocked. don't pretend like it is. but that wasn't my point. i was pointing out that the reason you may have been roleblocked is not because ud is scum like you were suggesting (by claiming it was almost a cop guilty). but hey, since this is basically one big meta analysis, did you ever get around to confirming what i said about never talking about things like that as scum. because i quite literally have never done this as scum and i do it as town, so either you think this game is a magical anomaly or you should really know this makes me town here.

look, here's the thing, pieguy. you're seeing what you want to see in my play because you're paranoid about me. OK. i don't mind. you just lost a game vs me and you don't want it to happen again. but i'm not scum here and your meta analysis on me is so flawed it's not funny because you're ignoring things you want to ignore and seeing things you want to see. and the thing is, you're basing this entirely on one scum game from me that started way after morph had metadived me here, where i was scum against them as town and i to change things up slightly or risk them seeing right through me. and here's the thing; they almost did see right through me in that game. but they were consistently reading me as town here after the metadive. know why? because i was trying to fake my towngame in imperishable night and they probably knew that was the case there, but it didn't affect their read on me in this game because this is, undoubtedly, my town game.

In post 3711, zMuffinMan wrote:voided, who are you thinking about voting today? do you actually think there's a chance nero is town here?

No, I don't think Nero is town, but the upcoming MyLo situation tomorrow if we lynch wrong is getting to me, and I don't want to be wrong on Nero like I was with Seanald or Hermy (and that's also why I'm ragging/ragged on GP, mhork, who are/were voting people who weren't UD/Nero). I think I'm right (and I may very well vote Nero at the end of the day), but I don't want to be wrong.

In post 3715, zMuffinMan wrote:(5) yeah, wanna know why i did that in imperishable night? because it came after the metadive morph did on me here and i knew i had to change things up while playing against them as scum. i did it deliberately in that game because they know i'm town here and i was trying to throw them off.

this sounds as if IN and MIII were going on at the same time.

Hey guys. I'm still cool with lynching uwop. Although Nero's "Well, we can't trust PV's reads, but we can trust PV's townread on me though" was scummy. So I kinda okay with lynching him too.

@pieguyn, I think the whole muffin making walls about lynching someone is a play style indicative thing.

voided wrote:this sounds as if IN and MIII were going on at the same time.

they were

imperishable night started after this game and ended a couple days ago

actually i think imperishable night started about 3 days after they metadived me here

Prod Dodge. Will get a post up later.

1. the ones morph linked + touhou upick. sometime soon I wanna go through more of your towngames since that's only like 5 towngames and there were only like 3 posts in one of them - if you wanna give me towngames that have said reaction, i'll look at them

2. 3. can you explain what "flat denial" is and why the reaction is different from "flat denial"? it seemed like it to me, so if this is true then obv I must have misinterpreted what it is.

4. sry for confusion - the tone of your joke posts about reaction tests, and a lot of the less serious posts I saw in your towngames, seemed really different. if I could describe it, I'd say it seems too serious here. it's similar to that point I had about Voided where the tone in one of his posts was way too serious for a joke post.

6. the fact that you're questioning why they would roleblock me at all indicates what I said. also, I wouldn't put it past you to try smth like that as scum, especially when you've never done it before. on the rare occasion when I try to analyze shit based off the player itself, I ignore things I think they might do as either alignment. if I'm misreading you it's probably bc of that under the assumption that I don't have enough evidence to look at.

In post 3715, zMuffinMan wrote:and the thing is, you're basing this entirely on one scum game from me that started way after morph had metadived me here, where i was scum against them as town and i needed to change things up slightly or risk them seeing right through me. and here's the thing; they almost did see right through me in that game. but they were consistently reading me as town here after the metadive. know why? because i was trying to fake my towngame in imperishable night and they probably knew that was the case there, but it didn't affect their read on me in this game because this is, undoubtedly, my town game.

fuck this makes more sense than I want it to make

pie, Muffin, can you two please stop arguing?

In post 3717, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Hey guys. I'm still cool with lynching uwop. Although Nero's "Well, we can't trust PV's reads, but we can trust PV's townread on me though" was scummy. So I kinda okay with lynching him too.

Why'd you want UD lynched again? The vote on Pie D4?

@pieguy,

i don't remember games i've reacted to a fake-hammer as town or even seen a fake-hammer as town (i only recently started playing again and i have like 5-6 recently completed town games and i don't remember fake hammers in any of them), that's why i asked. because you implied it was more in line with scum-me than town-me i assumed you had a baseline for comparison.

the flat-out denial morph was referring to was me dismissing it without anything else (as in a flat "you're wrong" and nothing else, i believe). i can't exactly ask them, nor do i really care because we're getting pretty deep into self-meta here and you can just verify this yourself instead of asking me.

smaller games are far easier to be less serious in (the pace of the game is slower, the number of players i'm responding to is less). i post seriously as town, quite a lot actually, it's just i sew jokes in here and there to lighten the mood. without even checking i can guarantee i did that in this game, too (even outside of the joke reaction to your fake hammer). it also doesn't help that i got a bit more emotionally invested in this game than i should have. that happens sometimes. see this game for example, where things i said to some players were far harsher than anything i've said this game, and i don't recall being light-hearted or joking much at all there.

i really wasn't even questioning the roleblock, but it's only confirmed from your PoV so i don't know why you're acting like it should be confirmed from mine. also i'm not saying i'd never do it as scum, i may in the future do it as scum just because it's such a strong indication i'm town. but really, you're calling it scummy when it's something i explicitly avoid as scum because of the inherent risk of being called out for it (like you are doing in this game). *shrug*

voided wrote:pie, Muffin, can you two please stop arguing?

i'm not really arguing with him, i'm trying to help him read me.

I'm in a magic tournament right now. I will do reads later.

(hint: one of them is that Nero is scum)