Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

Lady 5 · Post Post #3700 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:07 pm

In post 3587, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 3583, Gentleman 3 wrote:Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.
p much

Agreeful Much?

Lady 2 · Post Post #3701 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:08 pm

VOTE: G4/L3

If we're right on this one yes I will insta-leave and save everyone the trouble

Gentleman 4 · Post Post #3702 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm

In post 3699, Gentleman 6 wrote:Put yourself in G4's shoes here. Do you really believe he goes after me for having wrong reads without seeing the results of a single push that I've made?
It's a terrible idea because he doesn't know if I'm flipping scum or town, and it's a terrible idea because he's pushing the lynch entirely on conjecture.
Whereas if he knows that the G1 flip is going to immediately lead to his own, then yes, he is going to go after me now before the flip because the flip is already a lose condition for him.

No matter what Gentleman 1 flips, I don't think you're town. You've bussed before, and if I wait until after Gentleman 1 flips, you just tell your partner to leave so that you can night kill me and then proceed as usual.

Lady 5 · Post Post #3703 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm

In post 3620, Gentleman 6 wrote:
In post 3618, Gentleman 4 wrote:I'll push Lady 8 if that makes you happier, Gentleman 5?
aka

he's fine with anyone flipping except g1

who when they flip scum makes him look really bad

Yeah I don’t know where this shit came from.

FakeGod · Post Post #3704 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm

VoteCount 1.4

Gentleman 2 - Lady 9 [0] -
Gentleman 4 - Lady 3 [3] - Gentleman 6, Gentleman 5, Lady 2
Gentleman 5 - Lady 4 [2] - Lady 9, Gentleman 2
Gentleman 6 - Lady 8 [1] - Gentleman 4
Gentleman 7 - Lady 7 [0] -
Gentleman 3 - Lady 6 [0] -
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5 [4] - Lady 6, Gentleman 7, Lady 3, Lady 4
Gentleman 1 - Lady 2 [3] - Gentleman 6, Lady 5, Lady 8

Not Voting [4]

- Gentleman 1, Gentleman 3, Gentleman 8, Lady 7

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-11-19 02:34:47)

Gentleman 6 · Post Post #3705 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm

It's really that simple. Like ignoring the fact that scumreading me here is batshit insane.

Ignoring the fact that my process for a long part of this game was just me flailing and trying to push policy lynches and he didn't scumread me then
But when I started to collect myself, find legitimate scumreads that I wanted to push, and start focusing on setting up endgaming pairings (that didn't include him)

When my process started to become towny (and therefore I became an actual threat because I was focused on pushing an endgame town wincondition) that's when he went after me.

I guarantee you that he flips scum.

Gentleman 6 · Post Post #3706 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm

It's really that simple. Like ignoring the fact that scumreading me here is batshit insane.

Ignoring the fact that my process for a long part of this game was just me flailing and trying to push policy lynches and he didn't scumread me then
But when I started to collect myself, find legitimate scumreads that I wanted to push, and start focusing on setting up endgaming pairings (that didn't include him)

When my process started to become towny (and therefore I became an actual threat because I was focused on pushing an endgame town wincondition) that's when he went after me.

I guarantee you that he flips scum.

Gentleman 5 · Post Post #3707 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm

Ok real talk.

1) G4 hasnt given us a full set of reads that he said he was going to bring up at the dance.
2) OG G4 and New G4 both intended to getting L3, and both asked very early of playing.

Gentleman 4 · Post Post #3708 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm

We don't win on 1 scum flip unless we have enough confirmed pairs of town, and if you're scum, then your confirmed town pairs aren't town.

Gentleman 5 · Post Post #3709 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:10 pm

FG what happens at deadline if we are still >12

Lady 5 · Post Post #3710 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:10 pm

In post 3647, Gentleman 1 wrote:I would like to see my primary suspects of L5 and G3 go before I consider actually working on G6. My feelings about G6 are rather predicated on my perspective of the game being right, so if it is wrong I don’t want to do so much damage that the game probably goes down the drain. Which is what likely happens if I scratch and claw for G6 to go.

G3 is Town.
I like how you decide to take G5’s thoughts and make them your own.
Not Bad.

Lady 2 · Post Post #3711 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm

In post 3700, Lady 5 wrote:
In post 3587, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 3583, Gentleman 3 wrote:Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.
p much
Agreeful Much?

Yes, good job spotting me agreeing with someone's assessment of a situation using my words.

Lady 5 · Post Post #3712 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm

In post 3709, Gentleman 5 wrote:
FG what happens at deadline if we are still >12

FG, Give me Active Gentleman 8, I need a partner!

FakeGod · Post Post #3713 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm

In post 3709, Gentleman 5 wrote:
FG what happens at deadline if we are still >12

You go into intermission.

Gentleman 4 · Post Post #3714 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm

In post 3706, Gentleman 6 wrote:It's really that simple. Like ignoring the fact that scumreading me here is batshit insane.

Ignoring the fact that my process for a long part of this game was just me flailing and trying to push policy lynches and he didn't scumread me then
But when I started to collect myself, find legitimate scumreads that I wanted to push, and start focusing on setting up endgaming pairings (that didn't include him)

When my process started to become towny (and therefore I became an actual threat because I was focused on pushing an endgame town wincondition) that's when he went after me.

I guarantee you that he flips scum.

No, I've been suspecting you all game.

I have a very full set of notes that I'd like to share, but I made the mistake of posting them in my partner PT before I posted them in the game thread and now I don't know if I can share them here based on rules about copy/pasting from PTs.

Lady 5 · Post Post #3715 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm

In post 3711, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 3700, Lady 5 wrote:
In post 3587, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 3583, Gentleman 3 wrote:Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.
p much
Agreeful Much?
Yes, good job spotting me agreeing with someone's assessment of a situation using my words.

Your very welcome mam.

What’s your read on G3?

Lady 2 · Post Post #3716 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:12 pm

In post 3715, Lady 5 wrote:
In post 3711, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 3700, Lady 5 wrote:
In post 3587, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 3583, Gentleman 3 wrote:Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.
p much
Agreeful Much?
Yes, good job spotting me agreeing with someone's assessment of a situation using my words.
Your very welcome mam.

What’s your read on G3?

Town

Gentleman 1 · Post Post #3717 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:12 pm

G2 what’s your opinion on this whole deal? You’re the confirmed town so you should have an opinion. But as far as I can tell you have voted G5 with no reason and expressed very little recently in the way of stances. I think I would rather you have kept being arrogant if it meant you would actually help the game out here.

FakeGod · Post Post #3718 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:13 pm

In post 3712, Lady 5 wrote:
In post 3709, Gentleman 5 wrote:
FG what happens at deadline if we are still >12

FG, Give me Active Gentleman 8, I need a partner!

I've prodded him already. If he doesn't pick up soon, I'll find a replacement.

Gentleman 6 · Post Post #3719 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:13 pm

Also without actually outing a name for who I am:

G4 comes from an era where I was known for having good reads but being easily mislynched because my ability to project town was in some certain way hampered.
He has personally seen me mislynched as town multiple times and has attempted to mislynch me as town when I went after him in the past.
Just in case you guys are inclined to townread him for going after the towniest player in the lobby, he's used to seeing me mislynched despite being townread.

We don't win on 1 scum flip unless we have enough confirmed pairs of town, and if you're scum, then your confirmed town pairs aren't town.

except
i already said
that because i am uncertain on L8
i am leaving the dance before my being scum becomes a lose condition
and because it's based off of L8's alignment and not my own and a lot of people are uncertain about L8, it's not something that I can exactly worm my way out of by obvtowning
like in the end people are going to want L8 dead. fact. it's nothing to do with me at all.

you're ignoring this, you tried to argue via emotive statements with correct mechanical play that had been used in the past to achieve a town win, you're scum, bye.

Gentleman 4 · Post Post #3720 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:13 pm

Alright, FakeGod has accepted me sharing this.

So I've decided to share and added a few words here and there (and removed several). Mostly up here, though.

Several of my observations are stupid. I know. I understand this in review, but seeing my stupid observations helps sometimes.

Spoiler: Reminders

Spoiler: Day 1 Catch-Up

At this point there was an intermission. Several real life days later I came back and reviewed Lady 8's ISO (I had been skimming her posts until then) and responded to the quoted posts below before continuing where I left off.

First, let us discuss Lady 8:
The following posts feel a bit off-putting. I understand her approach to Lady 5 is to not take as AI what is quite possibly not, but the way she words her mindset makes her come off as if she's trying to force a read that isn't there.

Spoiler:

Lady 8's discussion about how difficult it is for her to engage in this post also makes me feel uncomfortable, but her analysis at the end is very much closer to what I'd expect to see from town - I think this sort of thing is much more difficult to fake as scum.

Spoiler:

In post 244, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 211, Gentleman 6 wrote:I'm not a town leader type.
Could have fooled me. I think you might make a fine one. Maybe at an ordinary dance you wouldn't. But tonight you're wearing the mask. Why not go for it?

In post 217, Lady 9 wrote:I do not like Lady 2.
Fair. I probably wouldn't like me either, and I know it, and it's really gnawing at me. Something isn't gelling. I want to be engaging here. Like genuinely I do. But it's not working, apparently. Like it's apparent even to me that I'm trying to say something but I get passed right by, like a ghost. Maybe it's posting while working, here and there, while other people are managing to have actual back-and-forth conversations.

Like L9, G3, L7, G6 are all sensible. L5 is ... fine. Can stay. L4 ... feels kind of like I do? I mean at the very least I'm sympathetic to her early frustration due to distraction and/or generic names. I'm not sure about her backing down immediately and completely after tbh a mild riposte from G3 early (I'm rereading, because yeah, I need to find some kind of foothold). Like, whatever it is, it's a firmer backing up than necessary but probably NAI. L8, kind of a low-key entrance as well? I'm not really getting much there. I do feel like trending Townread on L5 is a fake unpopular opinion? Like I don't think it was every truly going against the grain?

Mostly I want to know how L4 reads G6.

Oh, G4 also kind of lower bracket. Actually scratch that, I like him taking the offered mantle as Town leader. That's actually quite fine. Same with early offer. Actually even better. I saw the jokey pizza post and was wondering how long that shtick would take to play out. Moving fast on an offer was a strong Town move, like he stepped up to the plate and then actually delivered. Good choice of initial offer, too. L3 was in early but did and said little. G4's offer will offer some focus in a new direction.

I do actually like the broad strokes of the treanding-towards-consensus reads I'm seeing. I actually like all the active gentlemen fairly well, G3, G4, and G6 all Townleaning for me.

Lady 1 is an interesting point of engagement, and yet she is the choice of Lady 2. I think I understand why, and I want to town read Lady 2, but my gut is putting me off of it for now.

Spoiler:

These posts from Lady 8 I think I like quite a bit. Most of them feel very genuine (though some are genuine feelings one might expect from scum as well as town). Her calling out Gentleman 7 is particularly down the train of thought that I like to see from town, and I do appreciate that her targets have been players that haven't necessarily been getting the attention they need from the game.

In post 348, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 344, Gentleman 6 wrote:Please don't read L4 off of my read on them, I'm not actually sure they're scum anymore.
Yeah I'm consciously trying
not
to let your read (at the time) on L4 color mine too specifically.

~

In post 366, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 362, Gentleman 3 wrote:
In post 356, Gentleman 6 wrote:No, I was never 100% sure they were scum. There was a time that I was rather confidently scumreading them. I am no longer sure what my read on them is. Does that post really need to be asked?

Why are you repeatedly going after me forcing me to clarify things that really don't need any sort of clarification?
Because using imprecise language is bad? If you weren't sure she was scum, don't say you were sure, I don't really see what's hard about this.
??? tho

~

In post 397, Lady 2 wrote:Okay thanks L4, your thinking is starting to fit and make sense as a cohesive thing.

L7, you want a pseudo-vote, make one yourself. At the very least, if you think that type of vote is a good strategy, tell us which of the ladies you would like to see left out. Otherwise all I'm seeing is setup stuff from you, and it's like busy work. Talking about voting a lady to ditch but not doing it. Talking about basically the same IC-pairing approach that's been most favored. Talking about a pairing strategy L1 has focused most of her energy on. It's not getting much done.

And like hell should G4 retract his invite to L3 (not that I think he can legally?). Talk about muddying waters. L3 is being quite sensible about the invitation, too.

~

In post 400, Lady 2 wrote:Oh damn. Brutal.

(In response to being the least cute lady by Gentleman 6's standards.

~

In post 402, Lady 2 wrote:I don't want to be too emotionally invested in my cuteness factor, but I have to admit it stings a little.

After continuing to read posts from Lady 8, my head becomes an echo chamber and I begin to have the same thoughts over and over again; To simplify: Lady 8 is specific in who she responds to and how. Her words are chosen, but that's not to say they don't flow. She could be hiding something and I don't particularly follow her thoughts on Lady 2 at the moment, but there's certainly a lot of thought there (often more than what I see from many of the active players) and she appears to be actively sorting. I will engage with her more when she appears again in an attempt to get a more definitive hold on her alignment.

Posts that caught my eye earlier but I didn't pay particular attention to:

Spoiler: In case Lady 5 flips red - posts particularly interesting from Lady 5

Spoiler: In case Gentleman 7 flips town - also a solid grouping of posts where people talk about who would make good partners for whom

In post 558, Gentleman 7 wrote:
In post 556, Gentleman 2 wrote:Ok, so I most want someone that I can just throw stupid amounts of shit theories at and see what sticks and sift through my mental avalanche.

If I could assign pairings the entire way down:
G1 - L2
G2 - L9
G3 - L5
G4 - L1
G5 - L4
G6 - L7
G7 - L3
G8 - L8

I think. I made that list just now, but that's kinda where my head is it.
To be honest, I don't really think that you'll get that opportunity for very long, if anything, since you're the IC. As for your pairings, I would kind of prefer to switch myself-L3 with G4-L1. I'm under the impression L1 is a mechanical player and I'm not quite feeling that that's a good blend with G4 (Okay, mostly it's that I'm also a mechanical player and think I'll do well with L1). Also kinda meh on G1-L2 because I'm liking G1 and not liking L2 as much. I don't really know how to swap things around, though. And then there's the next point, see below.

In post 551, Gentleman 2 wrote:
In post 449, Gentleman 2 wrote:I would encourage people to match with people they don't agree with on everything to avoid echo chambers. Just as an FYI.
Ok so, does anyone have issues with me asking Lady 9?

Also I re-quoted the above because I feel like it is important. I kind of really want G1 and L2 together. I am against the G4/L3. I also feel like L5's deep wolf comment on L7 deserves scrutiny. At this point I would be encouraging L5 to be the Lady left out.

I think I missed the L1 thing about avatars so someone want to let me know what happened with that.
I'm not really against you pairing with L9, but I would prefer G6 right now, because both of them feel very town-solvy to me, and it would make the scum have to choose between killing that pair and killing you and your partner--essentially I feel like L9's a bit too strong to pair with you. I'm not really against it, but I kind of want to do like IC with 2nd most townread lady, and most townread lady to go with 2nd most townread gentleman.

I was actually wanting for you to be with L5 initially, but her recent posts are making me reconsider. If I think she's town, I'll be in favour of that pairing, though.

In post 544, Lady 5 wrote:Here’s how I would order everyone.

Gentleman 1 - Lady 8
Gentleman 2 - Lady 7
Gentleman 3 - Myself
Gentleman 4 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 2
Gentleman 6 - Lady 9
Gentleman 7 - Lady 1 or 6
Gentleman 8 - Lady 4

In post 548, Lady 5 wrote:If both Gent 1 and Lady 8 are town.
They will by far be the power house town needs to win.
The reason Gent 2 should go with Lady 7 is because Lady 7 is feel could be the most possible Deep Wolf so making the confirmed Town partners with them could help in the long run.
As for Gent 5 with Gent 2 I also feel another power house town can be made.
With both their play style’s together it can make with some good late game solving
L5, you wanted to talk, I hope you have time.

What exactly are you seeing with G5/L2? I'm not really convinced.
Also, why did you give me two options, out of all the others?
I do agree with G6/L9 for non-meme reasons.
Eh, do you like G3? I'm not really seeing that either.
And I disagree over pairing L7 with G2 with that reason. For G2's partner, it should be someone that is widely trusted by everyone, especially him. If we have a partner who's too scummy, it's going to result in either G2 leaving or people lynching them. Which could work if the partner is mafia, but to win, we really only need one surviving T/T pairing who is universally townread.

In other news, I wish I could stop feeling like I'm walking through cement when I go around on this website.

Gentleman 7's interactions with Lady 5 are interesting and very nearly sitting on the fence. I really want to hear more from him about her.

Gentleman 7 provides amplification later with this:

In post 1530, Gentleman 7 wrote:
In post 1468, Gentleman 4 wrote:
In post 558, Gentleman 7 wrote:I'm not really against you pairing with L9, but I would prefer G6 right now, because both of them feel very town-solvy to me, and it would make the scum have to choose between killing that pair and killing you and your partner--essentially I feel like L9's a bit too strong to pair with you. I'm not really against it, but I kind of want to do like IC with 2nd most townread lady, and most townread lady to go with 2nd most townread gentleman.

I was actually wanting for you to be with L5 initially, but her recent posts are making me reconsider. If I think she's town, I'll be in favour of that pairing, though.
Gentleman 7, this implies you were in favor of Lady 5 earlier, what did you see there that made you think she was town, and what made you doubt that she could be town?

What do you think of her now?
I kind of felt like she was being too scumread relative to what she'd posted initially, where she was being suspected for small things like her posting style. It felt like it was someone who would be a bit of a safer target. I didn't really like her afterwards, because I've found her to be opaque and not really open to explaining things.

I'm not really a fan now because she doesn't really feel like she's engaging people directly.

For now I will call him town, I think his inquisitive and investigative attitude is very much one that would be difficult to fake as scum.
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Spoiler: Lady 7's post of interest

In post 560, Lady 7 wrote:OMG that was so annoying. I got caught up but it took an hour longer than it should and I didn't have, so I'm just gonna jot down some quick thoughts. I don't really have great analysis anyway; there wasn't a whole lot that actually stood out to me. And this feels like one of those games that's gonna take me longer to get reads I feel comfortable with, which sucks but bleh.

For the ladies:

I think I'm coming around to actually feeling quite good about L4. This is mostly a thread presence read as she's here quite often with a lot of pop ins and poking/commenting on a lot. It's just a kind of thread presence that feels more townie than scummy and I've liked some of the little emotional flourishes in some of her posts. This is probably the closest to an actual town read among the ladies.

I do like things from L3 (the pop in asking L6 about his L8 read was something that felt good), L2 (The kind of wistful/regretful posts feel nonmanipulative), L9 (good thread presence but analytical types take me longer to read.

For the men:

G2 - Duh. I do like the approach he's taking as IC right now actually.

G6 - My towniest read among the men, and this is approaching actual town read status too. I like his thread presence and most of his interactions. His read/pushing then backing off and being torn on L4 feel real enough.

And then I'm in a wasteland. Tonally G3 feels fine most of the time, but his discussion with G6 felt a bit too much based on semantics. I'm not sure what to make of it with G3 town reading G6. Communication clash maybe? Anyway I want to like him just because he feels good tonally but. Some of G1's posts I like, some of them feel like posting to post. I think most of his quotestripe posts feel posting to post with really nothing there. G7 is way wooden and too focused on mechanics. G4 plays around a lot and that gives me nothing. I liked G5's flurry but it was short-lived so we'll have to see what g5 brings when he shows up. I like G8's Michael role-play.

Oh I liked G4's town it up people post.

So, yep, there's where I'm at. Don't you wanna dance with me *kisses* :p

Lady 7 and 4 are ladies of interest especially when discussing each other, I think.

~~~~~

Spoiler: Gentleman 3 makes a post contesting the reads against him. I find it interesting but without too much alignment information, I don't have too much to reference it with

Spoiler: Back to reading the thread.

Spoiler: Lady 3's Preferred Partnerships

Spoiler: Even more thread reading

Spoiler: Colors

Spoiler: Legend

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Various Thoughts that Happen as the Game Happens

Spoiler: On Gentleman 3's Perception of Other Players and How They Read Him

Spoiler: On Hesitation Over Gentleman 7

Spoiler: On Gentleman 8 and His Catch-Up Post

Spoiler: On clarifying the stance taken by Gentleman 3

Gentleman 5 repeatedly makes posts like the following, looking for approval.

Spoiler:

I don't know if this makes him town or scum, at the moment I'd very much like to call him town for it - it's a mindset one who's played much mafia might adopt after a time, that is, constantly looking for support for lynches on the players one thinks are scum.

789 indicates Gentleman 5 thinks Lady 3 is likely town (and I'm quite possibly not). The following post extrapolates further to explain he likely thinks both of us are town.

Spoiler:

Spoiler: On Why I Chose Lady 3

Spoiler: Gentleman 5 has been unnecessarily hostile to Lady 8 for them to be scum buddies

In post 909, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 907, Lady 8 wrote:Hi, I'm catching up. The site has been really bad lately so it's hard to load pages.

In post 783, Gentleman 5 wrote: Without stating reasons at this time, I think either L8 or L5 shouldnt be dancing.
Do you actually have reasoning for this? I'd like to at least play First Dance before dying.
Then we have different opinions on the matter.

Lady 8 wrote:
In post 800, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 795, Gentleman 7 wrote:
In post 785, Gentleman 5 wrote:Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?
Wait, why is outing townreads a bad idea? I'm of the opinion that we should get a strong towncore--of course, this does depend on our ability to keep scum out. I don't really see the advantage of hiding them?
Again, I think its better not to out town reads until we dance, as we have to factor the pairs.
We can only scumhunt in ladies right now and theres the possibility that all 8 of them could be town.

Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.
Gamblers Fallacy says this setup will most likely be 1:2 or 2:1

In post 917, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 910, Lady 8 wrote:
In post 819, Gentleman 6 wrote: 8 I don't remember.
You literally town-read me and the fact that you forgot makes me think you're town with limited knowledge. Scum wouldn't fuck up their reads this bad.
This is true, but youre not getting any townpoints for stating the obvious.

Gentleman 6 wrote:Those are my gentlemen reads, not lady reads.

I still think you're town but you're not active enough to be a good pair for me right now.
Assuming youre talking about L8, I just feel youre spiting me at this point.

In post 980, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 978, Lady 8 wrote:
In post 920, Gentleman 6 wrote:
In post 908, Lady 8 wrote:Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.
How would this be a townslip?
Lack of knowledge of setup?
Whats your point your trying to prove? That im town because of setup spec?

In post 1020, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 1005, Gentleman 6 wrote:Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?
You hate to see it.

Lady 5 wrote:Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

Hey FakeGod, am I allowed to retract my invite?

In post 1087, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 1006, Gentleman 4 wrote:
In post 1005, Gentleman 6 wrote:Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?
The degree to which my head is in the same space as yours this game is remarkable.

Lady 7 wrote:I’ll laugh if g4 and l8 are scum together and g4 manipulated g6 away from town and to his partner.

(I dont endorse this or anything, just thought it was funny)

Gentleman 4 wrote:I want to ask you something further, Gentleman 5, but I can't put my finger on what it is. If you manage to think of it, I'd be very grateful.?
I dont want two out anything at this time, sorry.

In post 1169, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 1162, Gentleman 4 wrote:The Lady 8 scum reads don't make sense to me.

I also don't think that forgiving Lady 6 just because she plays like she's got binoculars glued to her eyes is the best course of action either. Too scummy to be scum is rarely an argument, I think.
Ill go into it more if she ends up at the dance.

Tunnel Vision is usually a town issue. I take more issue with L3’s commanding than I do L6 at this time, but...

Lady 6 wrote:
In post 1159, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 1158, Gentleman 6 wrote:Actually, I dunno if L6 is scum.
^

L5 and L8 deserve to die before L6 imo.

I can dig this chicks vibe. Not sold on town, but Ill play.
I don't think Lady 8 should die. I think Lady 3-5 and G4 have at least 2 scum.

If I had to guess the last scum, it would be G1 or G8 although I would want it to be G6 because he was an ass earlier.
Nopenopenopenopenopenope. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. You lost me.

That said, the post above seems townie though, as I feel those reads are reactionary rather than actual reads imo.

In post 1441, Gentleman 5 wrote:
In post 1270, Lady 8 wrote:I'm reading. I'm trying to commit to at least one catchup a day.

In post 1005, Gentleman 6 wrote:Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

I accept.
That was fast. In fact thats the first thing L8 mentions: making sure shes going to the next round.

G6: You mentioned it after you made the proposal but Id like to ask you again - do you think your pairing is T-T?

Lady 7 accepts not the first, but the second offer extended to her in 1855.

+1 Town Points

Dear Diary,

Today Gentleman 6 decided to throw all the work he'd done and all the favor he'd accumulated out the window by acting like a total and complete moron. There was nothing close to sense in what he did and I'm rapidly losing respect for his actions. I feel bad because I liked him before, I thought his process was good and we were headed towards a good game, but he absolutely refused to listen to reason, to attempt to work with people, and insisted on trying to fit a cylinder sideways into a round hole. I write this not because I want to embarrass or shame him, but because this will help me blow off some steam and perhaps after the game I can bring this up if he's feeling particularly open to learning about what went wrong.

Sincerely,
Gentleman 4
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Spoiler: Lady 2 makes a beautiful post going in-depth about her reads and such

In post 1971, Lady 2 wrote:
In post 1906, Gentleman 4 wrote:
@Lady 2
these were for you from earlier:
In post 1333, Gentleman 4 wrote:Lady 2, I would like to see your analysis of the current matching as well as your reads list, if possible. The more numbers you can attach to things, the more jubilant I become.

In post 1334, Gentleman 4 wrote:In addition, how comfortable are you in your scum game? If you could have paired with any of the gentlemen prior to them making the matches they have now, who would you have chosen? If your answer is Gentleman 2, please also include your second choice.
Sorry I missed those!

Current matching:
G2-L9 - Good, lean T/T
G4-L3 - Fairly good. I do read G4 Town. I am less confident in L3 but kind of like G6/L8 I don't mind seeing it because I think it will be a +utility pair, like I trust G4 to contribute to reading L3 usefully
G5/L4 - need to reread G5 in full, most of his posting has been in the last day or so and it's a lot and G6 (who I mostly trust) has a strong scumread that I need to evaluate. L4 feels fairly Town so there's that?
G6/L8 - this is a reasonable reason for L8 to be in the game. I approve of G6 not fully discussing his read of her at this juncture
G7/L7 - I'll be honest I was kind of hoping to be asked by G7 but water under the bridge. L7 I still read as Town. This is the only pairing where I'm hoping for the Lady to help read her partner for the game, buuuuut I'll admit I lean Town on G7 at the moment as well. Which is great! It kind of mitigates my disappointment, I hope the two of them do indeed find they dance well together.

Overall the players left without partners right now are:

G1 - Probably one of my better options as a partner at this point. Oddly vocal about Townreading me early. I don't want to get too paranoid about being pocketed, but not many players seem to have strong Townreads on me right now, probably besides him strongest Townread on me is from L4 and I feel like L4 and I have much more direct interaction? I'm open to pairing with him but in some ways I'd feel better about pairing with someone I had a strong Townread on and they were questioning me than the other way around? But that train has sailed, as they say, my strongest Townread gentlemen and even G7, who I was less sure of but interested in have already paired off.

G3 - I actually don't mind his concerns about endgame etc. If anything stuck out to me I think being vocally, openly concerned about pairing to make endgame and coherently explaining his thought process about who he expected to get left out is Townlean. Scum don't
want
to appear overly concerned about making endgame, I agree that 1515 feels good.
Perhaps I should update in favor of G3 being a partner I would prefer over G1. Certainly he's been quite active, also an important quality.

G8 - Deliberately (????) low content, low information value, asks L7, a popular and largely Townread Lady out of the blue. Untenable long-term, I don't know what to say. Even if he becomes high content, high value - it could happen, but it's a nagging worry that it's +utility for scum to pair a strong Lady and not give any information pre-dance if they can get away with it without consequences so??

L1 - Needs to post more, not a fan. Appreciate that she gave some reads, at least but between two holders of the slot there's a whole lot of nothing. Seems to be offering content now but in an unfocused way, not really getting anywhere. I don't want this to be a case similar to G8, except instead of no content there's a token effort at content that isn't highly committal.

L5 - Hard for me to parse and I find myself resisting going into it because she's breaking site rules regarding outside influence relating to talking in-thread about potential replacement of her slot.
I would go so far as to say that this issue requires Moderator intervention.

L6 - I don't know. She has lots of mostly reasonable words. High volume of scumreads, but they're not terrible? Most of them are decent, though I disagree heavily on L4 scumread. I won't be too disappointed to see her stay.

If I could have paired with any gentleman in the game prior to matches, excluding G2 (actually not sure if I would have been an optimal pairing for G2 but I'd have been open to it if he'd wanted it and the overall utility seemed decent), I would have wanted G6 or you, G4. G6 as a strong Townread and strong player, you basically for similar, though I guess emphasis on my very early Townread on your slot - I guess just because my first thought was in making what I would be most sure of as a T/T pair, including with someone I could see myself working with, someone active and contributing, too.

Right now, the order of my preferences for pairing myself among available gentlemen is G3>G1>>>G8

I ... don't know how comfortable I am in my scumgame. I've had periods of deep lack of confidence in my scumgame and periods of confidence, but I haven't played much Mafia very recently so I don't really know how I'd feel or react drawing scum right now to be honest. I often find playing scum stressful just at baseline.

Lady 5's posting on

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is remarkably pro-town.
Gentleman 5's 2136 isn't one that likely comes from town.
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Spoiler: Items I Would Like To Hold Other Players To In Case Something Changes

Gentleman 6 · Post Post #3721 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:14 pm

In post 3714, Gentleman 4 wrote:No, I've been suspecting you all game.

I have a very full set of notes that I'd like to share, but I made the mistake of posting them in my partner PT before I posted them in the game thread and now I don't know if I can share them here based on rules about copy/pasting from PTs.

But you didn't vocalize it, did you? Why would you suddenly decide it's time to vocalize it when I suddenly start doing things I can be held accountable for?
It's hard to argue I'm scum for policy lynching someone being as obnoxious as G5 was. It's a lot easier to argue I'm scum for being wrong on G1.

But you're trying to avoid even having a G1 flip.

Lady 5 · Post Post #3722 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:14 pm

In post 3701, Lady 2 wrote:VOTE: G4/L3

If we're right on this one yes I will insta-leave and save everyone the trouble

In post 3704, FakeGod wrote:
VoteCount 1.4

Gentleman 2 - Lady 9 [0] -
Gentleman 4 - Lady 3 [3] - Gentleman 6, Gentleman 5, Lady 2
Gentleman 5 - Lady 4 [2] - Lady 9, Gentleman 2
Gentleman 6 - Lady 8 [1] - Gentleman 4
Gentleman 7 - Lady 7 [0] -
Gentleman 3 - Lady 6 [0] -
Gentleman 8 - Lady 5 [4] - Lady 6, Gentleman 7, Lady 3, Lady 4
Gentleman 1 - Lady 2 [3] - Gentleman 6, Lady 5, Lady 8

Not Voting [4]
- Gentleman 1, Gentleman 3, Gentleman 8, Lady 7

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch
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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-11-19 02:34:47)

@G7 @G4 @G6 @G3

Do any of you scum read me?
If not, and you just scum read G8 for inactivity.
Then I question your sanity.
I also question G8’s sanity as why TF did he join a game he can’t participate in.

Gentleman 4 · Post Post #3723 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:15 pm

In post 3719, Gentleman 6 wrote:Also without actually outing a name for who I am:

G4 comes from an era where I was known for having good reads but being easily mislynched because my ability to project town was in some certain way hampered.
He has personally seen me mislynched as town multiple times and has attempted to mislynch me as town when I went after him in the past.
Just in case you guys are inclined to townread him for going after the towniest player in the lobby, he's used to seeing me mislynched despite being townread.

You have me pegged as the wrong person. This is untrue.

Gentleman 6 · Post Post #3724 (ISO) » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:16 pm

It's true.

You're pretending otherwise because you know that if you accept being who you are you also have to accept the fact that you are literally KNOWN AS A PLAYER for making these kinds of town diaries as scum.