Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:07 pm
Agreeful Much?In post 3587, Lady 2 wrote:p muchIn post 3583, Gentleman 3 wrote:Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.
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Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:08 pm
VOTE: G4/L3
If we're right on this one yes I will insta-leave and save everyone the trouble
If we're right on this one yes I will insta-leave and save everyone the trouble
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm
No matter what Gentleman 1 flips, I don't think you're town. You've bussed before, and if I wait until after Gentleman 1 flips, you just tell your partner to leave so that you can night kill me and then proceed as usual.In post 3699, Gentleman 6 wrote:Put yourself in G4's shoes here. Do you really believe he goes after me for having wrong reads without seeing the results of a single push that I've made?
It's a terrible idea because he doesn't know if I'm flipping scum or town, and it's a terrible idea because he's pushing the lynch entirely on conjecture.
Whereas if he knows that the G1 flip is going to immediately lead to his own, then yes, he is going to go after me now before the flip because the flip is already a lose condition for him.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm
Yeah I don’t know where this shit came from.In post 3620, Gentleman 6 wrote:akaIn post 3618, Gentleman 4 wrote:I'll push Lady 8 if that makes you happier, Gentleman 5?
he's fine with anyone flipping except g1
who when they flip scum makes him look really bad
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm
It's really that simple. Like ignoring the fact that scumreading me here is batshit insane.
Ignoring the fact that my process for a long part of this game was just me flailing and trying to push policy lynches and he didn't scumread me then
But when I started to collect myself, find legitimate scumreads that I wanted to push, and start focusing on setting up endgaming pairings (that didn't include him)
When my process started to become towny (and therefore I became an actual threat because I was focused on pushing an endgame town wincondition) that's when he went after me.
I guarantee you that he flips scum.
Ignoring the fact that my process for a long part of this game was just me flailing and trying to push policy lynches and he didn't scumread me then
But when I started to collect myself, find legitimate scumreads that I wanted to push, and start focusing on setting up endgaming pairings (that didn't include him)
When my process started to become towny (and therefore I became an actual threat because I was focused on pushing an endgame town wincondition) that's when he went after me.
I guarantee you that he flips scum.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm
It's really that simple. Like ignoring the fact that scumreading me here is batshit insane.
Ignoring the fact that my process for a long part of this game was just me flailing and trying to push policy lynches and he didn't scumread me then
But when I started to collect myself, find legitimate scumreads that I wanted to push, and start focusing on setting up endgaming pairings (that didn't include him)
When my process started to become towny (and therefore I became an actual threat because I was focused on pushing an endgame town wincondition) that's when he went after me.
I guarantee you that he flips scum.
Ignoring the fact that my process for a long part of this game was just me flailing and trying to push policy lynches and he didn't scumread me then
But when I started to collect myself, find legitimate scumreads that I wanted to push, and start focusing on setting up endgaming pairings (that didn't include him)
When my process started to become towny (and therefore I became an actual threat because I was focused on pushing an endgame town wincondition) that's when he went after me.
I guarantee you that he flips scum.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm
Ok real talk.
1) G4 hasnt given us a full set of reads that he said he was going to bring up at the dance.
2) OG G4 and New G4 both intended to getting L3, and both asked very early of playing.
1) G4 hasnt given us a full set of reads that he said he was going to bring up at the dance.
2) OG G4 and New G4 both intended to getting L3, and both asked very early of playing.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:09 pm
We don't win on 1 scum flip unless we have enough confirmed pairs of town, and if you're scum, then your confirmed town pairs aren't town.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:10 pm
FG what happens at deadline if we are still >12
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:10 pm
G3 is Town.In post 3647, Gentleman 1 wrote:I would like to see my primary suspects of L5 and G3 go before I consider actually working on G6. My feelings about G6 are rather predicated on my perspective of the game being right, so if it is wrong I don’t want to do so much damage that the game probably goes down the drain. Which is what likely happens if I scratch and claw for G6 to go.
I like how you decide to take G5’s thoughts and make them your own.
Not Bad.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm
Yes, good job spotting me agreeing with someone's assessment of a situation using my words.In post 3700, Lady 5 wrote:Agreeful Much?In post 3587, Lady 2 wrote:p muchIn post 3583, Gentleman 3 wrote:Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm
FG, Give me Active Gentleman 8, I need a partner!
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm
You go into intermission.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm
No, I've been suspecting you all game.In post 3706, Gentleman 6 wrote:It's really that simple. Like ignoring the fact that scumreading me here is batshit insane.
Ignoring the fact that my process for a long part of this game was just me flailing and trying to push policy lynches and he didn't scumread me then
But when I started to collect myself, find legitimate scumreads that I wanted to push, and start focusing on setting up endgaming pairings (that didn't include him)
When my process started to become towny (and therefore I became an actual threat because I was focused on pushing an endgame town wincondition) that's when he went after me.
I guarantee you that he flips scum.
I have a very full set of notes that I'd like to share, but I made the mistake of posting them in my partner PT before I posted them in the game thread and now I don't know if I can share them here based on rules about copy/pasting from PTs.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:11 pm
Your very welcome mam.In post 3711, Lady 2 wrote:Yes, good job spotting me agreeing with someone's assessment of a situation using my words.In post 3700, Lady 5 wrote:Agreeful Much?In post 3587, Lady 2 wrote:p muchIn post 3583, Gentleman 3 wrote:Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.
What’s your read on G3?
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:12 pm
TownIn post 3715, Lady 5 wrote:Your very welcome mam.In post 3711, Lady 2 wrote:Yes, good job spotting me agreeing with someone's assessment of a situation using my words.In post 3700, Lady 5 wrote:Agreeful Much?In post 3587, Lady 2 wrote:p muchIn post 3583, Gentleman 3 wrote:Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.
What’s your read on G3?
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:12 pm
G2 what’s your opinion on this whole deal? You’re the confirmed town so you should have an opinion. But as far as I can tell you have voted G5 with no reason and expressed very little recently in the way of stances. I think I would rather you have kept being arrogant if it meant you would actually help the game out here.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:13 pm
I've prodded him already. If he doesn't pick up soon, I'll find a replacement.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:13 pm
Also without actually outing a name for who I am:
G4 comes from an era where I was known for having good reads but being easily mislynched because my ability to project town was in some certain way hampered.
He has personally seen me mislynched as town multiple times and has attempted to mislynch me as town when I went after him in the past.
Just in case you guys are inclined to townread him for going after the towniest player in the lobby, he's used to seeing me mislynched despite being townread.
i already said
that because i am uncertain on L8
i am leaving the dance before my being scum becomes a lose condition
and because it's based off of L8's alignment and not my own and a lot of people are uncertain about L8, it's not something that I can exactly worm my way out of by obvtowning
like in the end people are going to want L8 dead. fact. it's nothing to do with me at all.
you're ignoring this, you tried to argue via emotive statements with correct mechanical play that had been used in the past to achieve a town win, you're scum, bye.
G4 comes from an era where I was known for having good reads but being easily mislynched because my ability to project town was in some certain way hampered.
He has personally seen me mislynched as town multiple times and has attempted to mislynch me as town when I went after him in the past.
Just in case you guys are inclined to townread him for going after the towniest player in the lobby, he's used to seeing me mislynched despite being townread.
exceptWe don't win on 1 scum flip unless we have enough confirmed pairs of town, and if you're scum, then your confirmed town pairs aren't town.
i already said
that because i am uncertain on L8
i am leaving the dance before my being scum becomes a lose condition
and because it's based off of L8's alignment and not my own and a lot of people are uncertain about L8, it's not something that I can exactly worm my way out of by obvtowning
like in the end people are going to want L8 dead. fact. it's nothing to do with me at all.
you're ignoring this, you tried to argue via emotive statements with correct mechanical play that had been used in the past to achieve a town win, you're scum, bye.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:13 pm
Alright, FakeGod has accepted me sharing this.
So I've decided to share and added a few words here and there (and removed several). Mostly up here, though.
Several of my observations are stupid. I know. I understand this in review, but seeing my stupid observations helps sometimes.
At this point there was an intermission. Several real life days later I came back and reviewed Lady 8's ISO (I had been skimming her posts until then) and responded to the quoted posts below before continuing where I left off.
First, let us discuss Lady 8:
The following posts feel a bit off-putting. I understand her approach to Lady 5 is to not take as AI what is quite possibly not, but the way she words her mindset makes her come off as if she's trying to force a read that isn't there.
Lady 8's discussion about how difficult it is for her to engage in this post also makes me feel uncomfortable, but her analysis at the end is very much closer to what I'd expect to see from town - I think this sort of thing is much more difficult to fake as scum.
Lady 1 is an interesting point of engagement, and yet she is the choice of Lady 2. I think I understand why, and I want to town read Lady 2, but my gut is putting me off of it for now.
After continuing to read posts from Lady 8, my head becomes an echo chamber and I begin to have the same thoughts over and over again; To simplify: Lady 8 is specific in who she responds to and how. Her words are chosen, but that's not to say they don't flow. She could be hiding something and I don't particularly follow her thoughts on Lady 2 at the moment, but there's certainly a lot of thought there (often more than what I see from many of the active players) and she appears to be actively sorting. I will engage with her more when she appears again in an attempt to get a more definitive hold on her alignment.
Posts that caught my eye earlier but I didn't pay particular attention to:
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Various Thoughts that Happen as the Game Happens
Gentleman 5 repeatedly makes posts like the following, looking for approval.
I don't know if this makes him town or scum, at the moment I'd very much like to call him town for it - it's a mindset one who's played much mafia might adopt after a time, that is, constantly looking for support for lynches on the players one thinks are scum.
789 indicates Gentleman 5 thinks Lady 3 is likely town (and I'm quite possibly not). The following post extrapolates further to explain he likely thinks both of us are town.
Lady 7 accepts not the first, but the second offer extended to her in 1855.
Lady 5's posting on
Gentleman 5's 2136 isn't one that likely comes from town.
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So I've decided to share and added a few words here and there (and removed several). Mostly up here, though.
Several of my observations are stupid. I know. I understand this in review, but seeing my stupid observations helps sometimes.
Spoiler: Reminders
Spoiler: Day 1 Catch-Up
At this point there was an intermission. Several real life days later I came back and reviewed Lady 8's ISO (I had been skimming her posts until then) and responded to the quoted posts below before continuing where I left off.
First, let us discuss Lady 8:
The following posts feel a bit off-putting. I understand her approach to Lady 5 is to not take as AI what is quite possibly not, but the way she words her mindset makes her come off as if she's trying to force a read that isn't there.
Spoiler:
Lady 8's discussion about how difficult it is for her to engage in this post also makes me feel uncomfortable, but her analysis at the end is very much closer to what I'd expect to see from town - I think this sort of thing is much more difficult to fake as scum.
Spoiler:
Lady 1 is an interesting point of engagement, and yet she is the choice of Lady 2. I think I understand why, and I want to town read Lady 2, but my gut is putting me off of it for now.
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
After continuing to read posts from Lady 8, my head becomes an echo chamber and I begin to have the same thoughts over and over again; To simplify: Lady 8 is specific in who she responds to and how. Her words are chosen, but that's not to say they don't flow. She could be hiding something and I don't particularly follow her thoughts on Lady 2 at the moment, but there's certainly a lot of thought there (often more than what I see from many of the active players) and she appears to be actively sorting. I will engage with her more when she appears again in an attempt to get a more definitive hold on her alignment.
Posts that caught my eye earlier but I didn't pay particular attention to:
Spoiler: In case Lady 5 flips red - posts particularly interesting from Lady 5
Spoiler: In case Gentleman 7 flips town - also a solid grouping of posts where people talk about who would make good partners for whom
Spoiler: Lady 7's post of interest
Spoiler: Gentleman 3 makes a post contesting the reads against him. I find it interesting but without too much alignment information, I don't have too much to reference it with
Spoiler: Back to reading the thread.
Spoiler: Lady 3's Preferred Partnerships
Spoiler: Even more thread reading
Spoiler: Colors
Spoiler: Legend
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Various Thoughts that Happen as the Game Happens
Spoiler: On Gentleman 3's Perception of Other Players and How They Read Him
Spoiler: On Hesitation Over Gentleman 7
Spoiler: On Gentleman 8 and His Catch-Up Post
Spoiler: On clarifying the stance taken by Gentleman 3
Gentleman 5 repeatedly makes posts like the following, looking for approval.
Spoiler:
I don't know if this makes him town or scum, at the moment I'd very much like to call him town for it - it's a mindset one who's played much mafia might adopt after a time, that is, constantly looking for support for lynches on the players one thinks are scum.
789 indicates Gentleman 5 thinks Lady 3 is likely town (and I'm quite possibly not). The following post extrapolates further to explain he likely thinks both of us are town.
Spoiler:
Spoiler: On Why I Chose Lady 3
Spoiler: Gentleman 5 has been unnecessarily hostile to Lady 8 for them to be scum buddies
Lady 7 accepts not the first, but the second offer extended to her in 1855.
+1 Town Points
Dear Diary,
Today Gentleman 6 decided to throw all the work he'd done and all the favor he'd accumulated out the window by acting like a total and complete moron. There was nothing close to sense in what he did and I'm rapidly losing respect for his actions. I feel bad because I liked him before, I thought his process was good and we were headed towards a good game, but he absolutely refused to listen to reason, to attempt to work with people, and insisted on trying to fit a cylinder sideways into a round hole. I write this not because I want to embarrass or shame him, but because this will help me blow off some steam and perhaps after the game I can bring this up if he's feeling particularly open to learning about what went wrong.
Sincerely,
Gentleman 4
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Today Gentleman 6 decided to throw all the work he'd done and all the favor he'd accumulated out the window by acting like a total and complete moron. There was nothing close to sense in what he did and I'm rapidly losing respect for his actions. I feel bad because I liked him before, I thought his process was good and we were headed towards a good game, but he absolutely refused to listen to reason, to attempt to work with people, and insisted on trying to fit a cylinder sideways into a round hole. I write this not because I want to embarrass or shame him, but because this will help me blow off some steam and perhaps after the game I can bring this up if he's feeling particularly open to learning about what went wrong.
Sincerely,
Gentleman 4
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Spoiler: Lady 2 makes a beautiful post going in-depth about her reads and such
Lady 5's posting on
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is remarkably pro-town. Gentleman 5's 2136 isn't one that likely comes from town.
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Spoiler: Items I Would Like To Hold Other Players To In Case Something Changes
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:14 pm
But you didn't vocalize it, did you? Why would you suddenly decide it's time to vocalize it when I suddenly start doing things I can be held accountable for?In post 3714, Gentleman 4 wrote:No, I've been suspecting you all game.
I have a very full set of notes that I'd like to share, but I made the mistake of posting them in my partner PT before I posted them in the game thread and now I don't know if I can share them here based on rules about copy/pasting from PTs.
It's hard to argue I'm scum for policy lynching someone being as obnoxious as G5 was. It's a lot easier to argue I'm scum for being wrong on G1.
But you're trying to avoid even having a G1 flip.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:14 pm
In post 3701, Lady 2 wrote:VOTE: G4/L3
If we're right on this one yes I will insta-leave and save everyone the trouble
@G7 @G4 @G6 @G3In post 3704, FakeGod wrote:
Do any of you scum read me?
If not, and you just scum read G8 for inactivity.
Then I question your sanity.
I also question G8’s sanity as why TF did he join a game he can’t participate in.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:15 pm
You have me pegged as the wrong person. This is untrue.In post 3719, Gentleman 6 wrote:Also without actually outing a name for who I am:
G4 comes from an era where I was known for having good reads but being easily mislynched because my ability to project town was in some certain way hampered.
He has personally seen me mislynched as town multiple times and has attempted to mislynch me as town when I went after him in the past.
Just in case you guys are inclined to townread him for going after the towniest player in the lobby, he's used to seeing me mislynched despite being townread.
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:16 pm
It's true.
You're pretending otherwise because you know that if you accept being who you are you also have to accept the fact that you are literally KNOWN AS A PLAYER for making these kinds of town diaries as scum.
You're pretending otherwise because you know that if you accept being who you are you also have to accept the fact that you are literally KNOWN AS A PLAYER for making these kinds of town diaries as scum.