Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Datisi]

how much stock are you putting into VCA versus all the reasons you were calling me town yesterday?

[Menalque]

Err, not sure

Idk which thing I should trust in more to read you by because you felt townie yesterday in interactions but like

Bingle is making sense about why S_S isn’t scum, prob more than A50 on why it was S/S. And then Blake I’m kind of giving a pass to after pushing lilith from D1 and having firebringer high in her PoE.

Maria could have been bussing with lilith I guess but she felt like a counterwagon.

I actually could see A50 as scum quite easily but everyone else is townreading him and skitter (conftown) who claims a high read rate on him was hard, hard townreading him so I’m giving him an uneasy pass.

So I’m kinda running out of names here. You and PP are the ones left and PP was calling for a lilith lynch all the way through the Maria wagon yesterday

[Menalque]

Maria/PP are town based on circumstances

In that post where you lay out how you’re scumreading me I’m also real interested in how these two are cleared to you @bingle

Well, more PP, but still

[Almost50]

Bingle isn't groups scum because FB wouldn't have been the 4th vote on his wagon (even if it was RVS) with Bingle the JOAT. Also if Bingle was scum lillith eoulf have never claimed Vengeful of all available fake claims.

Blake isn't group scum because she wouldn't have panicked to the idea lillith may have venge killed her, and vlaiming a PR at that point was suboptimal play for scum!her

Maria isn't group scum because she was the alternative lynch to both lillith and S_S, and -similar to Bingle- I don't think lillith claims vengeful if Maria was on her team (not to mention Maria wanted lillith lynched and it didn't look like a bus to me)

Menalque isn't group scum because his general play does not have an agenda. If he was the JOAT he would not be throwing himself in the center of almost every occurring in the game.

Penguin isn't scum because this is certainly not his scum meta, and he has not made a single move from the infamous "PP Scum Play Guide"

This means I have S_S/Datisi as the remaining suspects, and I have no case (other than PoE) for Datisi to be scum here.

Theoretically anyone could be SK (IF there is one) but to adopt a no killing policy from the get go would not be my idea of how anyone would play it, with the exception of Bingle. HOWEVER, if the SK exists AND they should PB on N1 (because that's what the SK does. Kill people who are unlikely to be shot by the MAFIA) THEN I might consider a broader pool of players who may have used that to adapt and change their play policy accordingly. Still, SK!Maria for instance would not have shot PB over most anyone else, I think, and neither would have PP tbh.

Disclaimer: I maybe talking out of my arse here. I do not claim to be fluent at predicting everyone's moves as <insert role here> and I know my own decisions would have depended greatly on the game status, so maybe I am way off base? I dunno

[Blake Belladonna]

BB makes the most sense as scum, I think

What?

[Almost50]

I actually could see A50 as scum quite easily

You really think Scum me would restart the push on my p (lillith) after it looked like it had diminished? And you think scum!me would go easy on Town!Maria rather than choke her to death there?? Do you think I let lillith claim vengeful???? Finally, do you really think I shoot PB on N1 over everyone else??

[MariaR]

Fire and Lilith were scum? I feel very smug right now.
I think Datsi/Bingle win us the game. Blake is clear from setup I think?

[MariaR]

It's not A50/Blake/S_S/Mena. Peng gets a pass cause they're great
leaves us with the rest

[Menalque]

Fire and Lilith were scum? I feel very smug right now.
I think Datsi/Bingle win us the game. Blake is clear from setup I think?

Good reads Maria

Maybe a little bit

Too good

[Menalque]

Finally, do you really think I shoot PB on N1 over everyone else??

SKITTER SHOT PB

Keep up

The rest is sort of compelling but also you were the first to deflect away (or like encouraging people not to) and your vote history also isn’t great in a similar way to datisi’s not being great

Also tbh I have no idea who let’s lilith claim vengeful there and I kind of think the answer is either “no-one” or “maybe Blake or bingle or S_S”

[Menalque]

I think the more likely explanation for the vengeful claim is lilith just did it, but if there is more to it imo it was either to try and make it seem like (S_S, bingle) couldn’t be the partner because “tHeY’d NeVeR lEt LiliTh cLaIm vEngEfUl” or it would be from Blake, in order for her to do the “oh shit don’t venge me!” move

But both of those seem unlikely

[Datisi]

I think the more likely explanation for the vengeful claim is lilith just did it, but if there is more to it imo it was either to try and make it seem like (S_S, bingle) couldn’t be the partner because “tHeY’d NeVeR lEt LiliTh cLaIm vEngEfUl” or

it would be from Blake, in order for her to do the “oh shit don’t venge me!” move

you mea locking herself into a PR claim and then immediately bussing the third buddy?

[Menalque]

Okay, when you put it like that it sounds really dumb

Who do you think we should lynch then datisi and what did you make of my logic for it being you or PP?

[Datisi]

i'm still sitting back trying to think of ideas

i've been sus of PP since Day 1 so i kinda see that. your logic Makes Sense i guess just as much as everyone else's Makes Sense - the problem is that people are reaching different conclusions and calling for different heads.

why are the reasons you're seeing for other people town stronger than those you're seeing for me? yesterday you were p sure and were willing to "vouch" for me to people who had me as null

also i found a post in FB's iso that technically if you squint incriminates you in the most insane tinfoily stupid reason possible and while i know it's literally the dumbest case anyone has ever come up with, it is 4 am and i have slept so little in the past few days and i can't get that thought out of my head lmao

[Menalque]

I think because I was more willing to go off tone/gut with less confirmed info but now I’m really struggling to see how many people make sense as scum here and your name isn’t one of the ones that doesn’t make sense as scum given what’s now known

What’s this post in fb’s ISO then?

[PenguinPower]

i've been sus of PP since Day 1 so i kinda see that

[Menalque]

I wonder if skitter and firebringer are scum together

No, i am teamed with u

Mena, Datisi is a threat to our scum win.
Please help me kill her. With votes.

So I just checked my role PM and it turns out I am in fact scum with firebringer

But tbf that was obvious anyway because he’d never be this excited if he were town plus he’s clearly fake claiming cop to try and draw a CC

I told u in post one in the PT if u ever read it that i was gonna claim cop. Smh

Hope it’s not any of these ones @datisi

[Menalque]

Pingu who do you think is scum?

[Datisi]

Mena, Datisi is a threat to our scum win.
Please help me kill her. With votes.

this one. guess why.

pedit oops

[Datisi]

i've been sus of PP since Day 1 so i kinda see that

idk it was gut and it continues to be gut

[PenguinPower]

bad

[Menalque]

Bad?

[Menalque]

Mena, Datisi is a threat to our scum win.
Please help me kill her. With votes.

this one. guess why.

pedit oops

Is it actually lol

[Menalque]

Oh man is this post 3723 already

[Datisi]

i know

pedit: it is not because he scumclaimed w you actually