Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 3.01

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-10-03 13:30:00).

execution

osuka [1]:

Andresvmb

Not Voting [8]:

Tayl0r Swift, Menalque, PlusJOYED, NDMath, shellyc, bob3141, Ydrasse, osuka

mod notes

~ ah yes, change your vote 40 seconds after i grab a pagetop for the VC, i don't mind

flavour

[Menalque]

ehh actually VOTE: osuka

[Andresvmb]

@Menalque I think they’re both likely to flip Scum. But that intense need to get away from Kerset I still remember. And that looks very much like Scum trying to avoid executing their buddy so early in the game.

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.16

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [5]:

Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Tayl0r Swift, Saudade

Tayl0r Swift [3]:

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED

NDMath [2]:

bob3141, teacher

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, osuka

plusJOYED [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ shellyc is V/LA until Wednesday.

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based on current data. only person who alignment is not highly likely town. Is ydr who im leaning town on. 6th vote is then menal


question is did the wagon at this point have any one bussing. will have to reread posts before. if not

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED - on taylor
osuka - on village
and i know im town.

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.16

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [5]:

Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager, Tayl0r Swift, Saudade

Tayl0r Swift [3]:

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED

NDMath [2]:

bob3141, teacher

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, osuka

plusJOYED [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ shellyc is V/LA until Wednesday.

flavour

based on current data. only person who alignment is not highly likely town. Is ydr who im leaning town on. 6th vote is then menal


question is did the wagon at this point have any one bussing. will have to reread posts before. if not

shellyc, NDMath, PlusJOYED - on taylor
osuka - on village
and i know im town.

[Menalque]

@andres do you consider someone being rolestopped a cleared / guilty result?

because osuka's probably the no.1 scum rolestop target if it's scum!osuka

I think a lot depends on how confident scum were that they were hitting the cop

if bob is scum and realisedthe informed thing on D2 was strongly indicative of that then rolestop doesn't mean a lot. also you can't self-target in normals so *not* being rolestopped is never clearing

[bob3141]

? why do my posts keep double posting

[Menalque]

@Menalque I think they’re both likely to flip Scum. But that intense need to get away from Kerset I still remember. And that looks very much like Scum trying to avoid executing their buddy so early in the game.

yeah, that's why I voted osuka

like I think plus has probably got better odds of flipping scum than anyone else but I think I'm always gonna want to flip in (plus -> bob/osuka) so the order doesn't particularly matter

[Andresvmb]

Just realized I’m voting for kerset UNVOTE: kerset

so you dont realize your vote is on kerset for a long time despite being told but once sau unvotes you unvotes?

youre assuming that i read the thread

This is what I’m talking about.

[bob3141]

Vote count 1.13

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).

execution

Kerset [5]:

Saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager

Tayl0r Swift [4]:

shellyc, NDMath, teacher, PlusJOYED

innocentvillager [2]:

Kerset, Tayl0r Swift

NDMath [1]:

bob3141

plusJOYED [1]:

Menalque

Not Voting [0]:

mod notes

~ Menalque is V/LA until Monday.
~ PlusJOYED is V/LA until Sunday.
~ shellyc is V/LA until Wednesday.

flavour

earlier wagon

Saudade, osuka, Andresvmb, Ydrasse, innocentvillager

cant see osuka ever returning to osuka

shelly/dmath/plus on taylor at taht point as well

[Menalque]

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

okay but like this doesn't really convince me, even after reading it twice, that it doesn't make sense to just have an informed townie? like it's roughly equivalent to enabler but with more incentive to out the information

like I feel like you're reading a lot into/making a lot of this but idk why it doesn't make sense to just give info to a VT on the assumption that they will out it to the PR thus creating what is basically a named townie which can fit in fine

[Menalque]

ehhh I'm not sure it's that important tbf but I don't think your argument of "I'd have known for sure that teacher was PR from the informed claim on D1 and wouldn't have let him live to D2" is v persuasive

[Menalque]

also @shelly I just don't think the hammer makes sense from scum!ydrasse because she's prob *less* likely to hammer there as scum if anything

at worst it's NAI, and overall I'm just not gonna worry about it too much unless the game is still going after the PoE slots are cleared out

[bob3141]

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

okay but like this doesn't really convince me, even after reading it twice, that it doesn't make sense to just have an informed townie? like it's roughly equivalent to enabler but with more incentive to out the information

like I feel like you're reading a lot into/making a lot of this but idk why it doesn't make sense to just give info to a VT on the assumption that they will out it to the PR thus creating what is basically a named townie which can fit in fine

normaly because from ive seen if a vt realy needs to know something. That means the entire town needs to know because why would one vt matter. In that case teh game simply becomes a semi-open.

Had a game where town were informed about two roles.

[bob3141]

was gordon ramsey game

everyone was informed that gunsmith was town and doctor was scum.

[osuka]

na its hard meta.

Only time you really get lone informed is when the player is scum. Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

As scum i would know he was a pr. So teacher would have died and not saud. Ask andre even as town i spoted all 3 masons day one last game. Game before that spotted all the pr by day 2 and killed teh vig night one.

scum game before that killed a town pr every nigth until i ran out.
Scum game before that spotted neap day one and 2 masons aswell. Spotted back up mason but got his role wrong.
same realy with my town games to.

Just chiming in to say this is false. I’ve seen informed townie on ms before

[osuka]

Also please don’t flashtrain me I have a busy day at work and I realize this looks bad but I have some ideas

[Menalque]

you only have 2 votes on you

[Menalque]

ah yes, change your vote 40 seconds after i grab a pagetop for the VC, i don't mind

:3

[shellyc]

didn't plusjoy hard retract the taylor scumread

like idk why kerset wants to live at d2 when it was clearly them but maybe they felt they needed to with their scumteam so exposed

joyed is just doing more things and making a bigger effort to solve than osuka. end of story

[shellyc]

^ refers to 3699

[bob3141]

na its hard meta.

Only time you really get lone informed is when the player is scum. Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

As scum i would know he was a pr. So teacher would have died and not saud. Ask andre even as town i spoted all 3 masons day one last game. Game before that spotted all the pr by day 2 and killed teh vig night one.

scum game before that killed a town pr every nigth until i ran out.
Scum game before that spotted neap day one and 2 masons aswell. Spotted back up mason but got his role wrong.
same realy with my town games to.

Just chiming in to say this is false. I’ve seen informed townie on ms before

I dont see how that has any bearing on this post. maybe others but not this one.

As if im wrong on informed townie being rare and that they wouldnt really given a detail like scum has rolestopper. Then all that changes is that i would have got to the right conclusion on flawed premise. With it my setup spec being occums razor deal.

[shellyc]

also @shelly I just don't think the hammer makes sense from scum!ydrasse because she's prob *less* likely to hammer there as scum if anything

at worst it's NAI, and overall I'm just not gonna worry about it too much unless the game is still going after the PoE slots are cleared out

thats why im thinking as well but overall i am leaning less and less town on ydrasse

the voices of my gut are telling me something is wrong there but idk

I think imma just VOTE: osuka here, it's todays vote unquestionably and after reading the kerset interactions i can see where andres is coming from

but hot take ydrasse leans scum

[shellyc]

Also please don’t flashtrain me I have a busy day at work and I realize this looks bad but I have some ideas

nobody else vote osuka then

the number of votes aorn is perfect

[Menalque]

didn't plusjoy hard retract the taylor scumread

like idk why kerset wants to live at d2 when it was clearly them but maybe they felt they needed to with their scumteam so exposed

joyed is just doing more things and making a bigger effort to solve than osuka. end of story

doesn't like massively matter, its the actions at the time which are more significant than the later disavowal

also like doing more things =/= townier when those things fit incredibly well into what a scum agenda would be at those moments in the game