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In post 1030, Boonskiies wrote:• [Inverted] If your target is "away from town" or "in another universe", your action will still succeed, and you will allow all other actions performed on your target to succeed, even if it would normally fail from modifiers such as "Disloyal".

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

interesting. I hadn't even thought about strongman not working on commuters + strongman killing traitors, but actually the wording is really different. The magical fairy role pm says " your action will still succeed" not "the kill cannot be blocked" -- this means that traitors might actually still be recruitable, and thus sam being a traitor wouldn't be like unfun for the scum team

I'm totally baffled why koba thinks the game ever ends with sam when sam is literally never the last groupscum ever

I'm really hoping that's not like a weird perspective slip, maybe I'm back to reading that bats game

traitors aren't recruitable in default boon guidelines?

from what i ~recall~

oh good catch

anyway saw this gem in the bats game:

In post 283, shellyc wrote:

In post 279, Odd Day Jester wrote:shelly, don't tell me you're a Noraa alt.

I am not a cheater.

loool

anyways, what concrete proof do we have of traitor anyways?

In post 3121, shellyc wrote:

DAYVIG: Noraa

I hardclaim 2-shot Dayvig, protective be on me

shelly's iso would be relevant around this area

an insane amount of her play was built around noraa, while she totally ignored dave.

unfortunately bats overall makes me way less confident this is actually outside shelly's scumrange, but there are some differences

In post 3691, shellyc wrote:here's why I'm never scum here
if it was shelly/hectic = no elim -> no kill -> get dave
shelly/duppin = obviously impossible
shelly/dave = why dont I just bus dave and win in f4 when my partner is in a worse position than me
shelly/UNO/ = why do I literally agree with Norway's thoughts that last scum is UNO d4. again we just get dave here
shelly/plus = obviously impossible

yikes

hmm yeah I still think shelly's town but man that's a terrifying fucking iso to read

In post 3706, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:

In post 3121, shellyc wrote:

DAYVIG: Noraa

I hardclaim 2-shot Dayvig, protective be on me

shelly's iso would be relevant around this area

an insane amount of her play was built around noraa, while she totally ignored dave.

unfortunately bats overall makes me way less confident this is actually outside shelly's scumrange, but there are some differences

i mean, shelly was used to playing with noraa, seems normal to me

hub please just stop making me hope you won't vote sam lol

In post 2152, shellyc wrote:world 1: BEF is scum with HUB
world 2: Ydrasse is scum with Bell

yikes

I wonder if shelly actually TMI'd early game

I have a really hard time seeing shelly with sam though and if sam is town... yikes did she just hand it to scum on a silver platter

yeah like, that's exactly why i think ydra / koba are scum, they are being way too agressive and just want to end the game

the bigger ?s would be shelly pushing 72 for ellitell and arguing the noraa rep was so dramatically AI

like she certainly busses but the qualitative style of her busses as scum tend to be a little less angle-shooty

I should really take a break, think I'll peace for an hour or two

HAPPY UNBIRTHDAY EVERYONE!

well, i'm gonna be asleep then so pls don't do any dumb shit in the meanwhile?

didn'tmeant to "?" my bad

can we not talk abt nora like i genuinely hate playing with thay player to the point of blacklisting her
Also im tipsy

literally fk off if u think town plays like sam has d4 eod like seriously full on these tinfoils are garbage

In post 3699, Gypyx wrote:

In post 3696, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:

In post 3693, DkKoba wrote:but im pretty sure game ends here

huh? why?

cuz he says i'm traitor with sam

pedit : how so exactly?

THEY THEM

In post 3698, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:oh wait, actually no traitor might still be possible. actually the wording of magical fairy might almost guarantee a traitor, in which case I'd go back to sam traitor maybe hmmmmmmm

look if sam flips traitor i will vote ydrasse for u d6 if im alive

In post 3696, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:

In post 3693, DkKoba wrote:but im pretty sure game ends here

huh? why?

BECAUSE I THINK SAM IS SOLO GROUPSCUM

In post 3718, DkKoba wrote:literally fk off if u think town plays like sam has d4 eod like seriously full on these tinfoils are garbage

yeah it's just solving her team

I guess your theory is solving the team is impossible because there is no team, but if there is no team I don't get why she quickhammers tgp in a quasi-scumclaim, that's not something a solo last groupscum does

however I do think I'm more comfortable with sam/ydra again, I thought about it in the shower a bit and thought about a bell post and I think it more or less fits

I'll explain in a bit when I have more time, now's not good

like fr i have established i agree with ur read of ydrasse groupscum if sam traitor.

In post 12, Tsunami Slayer wrote:

In post 10, Gypyx wrote:Anyways claiming Town Parallel Universe (Ascetic) brb in ~2 hours

Vanilla Noraa
I harm claims

-norbear

In post 32, samantha97 wrote:

In post 29, Endless Terror wrote: for the record gypyx, i think your claim is true

I dunno if it's true but it fits with the theme

VOTE: Happy Unbirthday Boon

In post 35, Bell wrote:

Endless Terror

Has there ever been a more appropriate name for a hydra?

I claim Ascetic Nihilist.

To me, this does not read like Bell + Sam were both informed of Shelly's role. Shelly's play around GX kinda doesn't match the vibe of the scumteam which was like, joining in on jokeclaiming ala Gamma Emerald. Like a lot more pockety, which to me makes it feel like they were not all informed on the commuter/ascetic claims the way shelly seems to be

In post 44, Ydrasse wrote:sweet jesus it's an anti at field

i don't know what i was expecting when i signed up for this

VOTE: tsunami slayer

we can also think about ydra's reaction to the claims here. her characterization matches with the joke theme but does skew away from ascetic toward commuter (A.T. field is a protective power in Evangelion), but it's not a joke that suggests she's planning to play into shelly's claim

to me this suggests that Bell, for example, when he's making 35, is not informed of shelly's role exactly, he's like joking with her and stuff. But he *could* be informed of Ydrasse's role, in the same way that he *could* be informed of Sam's role. He could even see "commuter enabler" in Ydrasse's role PM but it's not his role pm, maybe he hasn't at this point like, fully internalized the implications of ydrasse's role PM and he hasn't actually made the connection yet that shelly/GX are commuters, not ascetics, like he's joking about. Like it's kinda weird theater for Bell to make jokes about Shelly's fakeclaim if Shelly is already softing a fakeclaim, right?

idk.

returning to the problempost

In post 1857, samantha97 wrote:ok hi good morning

I was gonna wait until 24 hours were left or someone was e-1 to post this, but now that the game has livened up and it's close to 24 hours anyway, I'm gonna roleclaim

*drumroll*

enchantress

yes, that is the 3rd commuter claim

what's even more interesting than there supposedly being 3 commuters in this game is that I targeted pelican last night and they died anyway

I've been conflicted since the gypyx/shelly interaction today as to which is most likely mafia (I mean I guess it's possible there are 3 town commuters but?)

for gypyx: he claimed first and was the first to claim commuter

for shelly: I found taylor's posts outside of the roleclaims to be extremely town

@gypyx and shelly, who did you both target last night?

Thought experiment from here:
like the thing is here, the confusion of this post makes more sense of sam is scum with ydra than with shelly. Ydra's role PM, which does almost certainly include the "commuter enabler" language, does not actually state what the rules text on a commuter is. Sam, seeing the part in enchantress that talks about commuting, thinks that given Ydra's role PM that Shelly and GX have the same role as her. *the confusion in 1857, rather than confirming she's not same-PT as Ydra, actually suggests that Sam perspective slipped and shared a PT with Ydra, because she misunderstood the implications of how the rules text of Ydra's role PM interacted with her own role PM and what the implications therefore were for Shelly and GX*

I'm not entirely sure that's accurate, but I think the consequence of this is that Sam is not a traitor, she is same-PT as Ydrasse, she read and misunderstood Ydra's role PM, and this is actually why she also misunderstood the implications of Shelly and GX's roles.

The remaining problem with Sam scum is why she claimed she targeted Pelican n1. Maybe she didn't see confirming scum's power to town as a mistake? Maybe she thought claiming protective would be good obfuscation? This still really bothers me. The n1 claim of targeting pelican brief makes more sense for a traitor that did not understand the implications of what that claim would mean for how town would solve, but Sam's misunderstanding with Shelly and GX's roles suggests, *I think* she is shared-PT as Ydra, but perhaps not necessarily so.

I don't actually know why this matters, I think my solve at this point remains the same regardless of whether Sam is traitor or shared-PT groupscum, I think her play at EoD yesterday makes more sense if Sam as traitor. I think at this point I mostly just want to be able to call it before the flip tbh, but also I want to feel like I understood Sam's strategy as scum because some of these plays basically just boggle my mind. I think Sam as traitor, having no idea what claiming the save on Pelican would mean, makes the most sense, although I have a really hard time reconciling that with her insistence that there can't be roles with multiple parts today, since that's a weird thing to fake misunderstanding.