Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:08 pm
by Flea The Magician
# Among Us - Hasc
Lets go! 4:30am ISO analysis, not a case, just my thoughts on what I recalled being a shite ISO.
Titus is raging a little here because people are being daft, I was in the same boat later on. She says the vote is dumb and then you're like "BUT CASE! YOU HAF CASE SO YOUR VOTE OPPORTUNITY!"
eugh making me fix your quote tag.
Thinking about this post and the post I've just dismembered prior to this, why do I get the feels that you're leaving posts unlinkable so people can't do back and check contexts for themselves? Like this bit is missing the contest I've started trying to do a bit of work.
Damnit Titus you're gunna get us all U's! (yeah our fails are U's, Unsatisfactory. You think getting Fail is hard? This is true English at its worst.)
No? ok then...
Sorry, getting Mr Crocker flashbacks...
This is a lot of work to say "I think Titus is scum."
Full caffine crash has happened, picking this up again once I've actually slept. whoooo 7am!
Reminder this is just my thoughts here not a bloomin case...
Lets go! 4:30am ISO analysis, not a case, just my thoughts on what I recalled being a shite ISO.
Spoiler: Hey now, you're an all star!
Because it's RVS :3
OK I'm game but I'm ignoring it.In post 94, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Before I even think about claiming my two locations I just want to say that I will be going to a specific one of them first regardless of what the chart says.
Screw you guys! I'm going home!In post 116, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Actually looking and thinking it over this plan is bad and doomed to failure.
Pooky Sus
<insert Darkwing Duck theme>In post 131, Haschel Cedricson wrote:If you don't know then now is certainly not the time to tell you.In post 125, Alisae wrote:how does it end in failure?In post 116, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Actually looking and thinking it over this plan is bad and doomed to failure.
Pooky Sus
Oh no, the teacher is unimpressed...In post 171, Haschel Cedricson wrote:I want you to reread what you just replied to and tell me why your posting is bad here.
Preempting what options are available to screw us over maybe using knowledge of the actual game and how that might translate into game purposes.In post 250, Haschel Cedricson wrote:...In post 224, Flea The Magician wrote:So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.
O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?
What good canpossiblycome from this line of discussion?
ε=(｡◕ฺˇд ˇ◕ฺ｡）In post 274, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Oh well if they enjoy it then I guess that's okay no wait the opposite of that.In post 270, Flea The Magician wrote:People were asking, and I know some people enjoy setup spec.In post 250, Haschel Cedricson wrote:...In post 224, Flea The Magician wrote:So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.
O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?
What good canpossiblycome from this line of discussion?
I'm not playing with you anymore! Amma do my own thing!In post 557, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Point this out to me.In post 544, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also reminding people Reck scumslipped in a post
Also Reck is the only person talking any sense right now; I too have already decided which room I'm going to tonight. I'll let you know where it is tomorrow.
At least your gas tank is full to help you catch upIn post 1112, Haschel Cedricson wrote:This is officially the fastest-moving game I've ever played.
Give me a bit to get caught up on 20 pages.
Eugh this made me squick.In post 1119, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Okay I ended up having sex instead of reading the last 20 pages. On this page, though,
In the event this scenario happens why would the focus be on Reck and not, you know, the only living person in the room?In post 1106, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:reck if you tell us you are going to room ___ and its got 3 people in it, and then you dont go to room ___ and instead there are 2 people, and one of them is scum, and he gets a bonus kill on town, we r going to lockscum you so you are just hardthrowing atp
I signed up to play a Mafia game, not solve a logic puzzle. And in my experience people who want the town to focus on the logic puzzle instead of the Mafia game tend to be scum.
Similarly, I'm not in favor of No Elimination today because it hands scum a free kill.
Right, reading 20 pages for real this time.
#acepride
Gas tank empty then at least. and this is actually the best post you've made all game.Speakin of no follow up, Teacher didn't chase the student down. and yeah I see the problem, is it really votable though? like if scum get that task then yeah we got less to do. couple more reads.In post 1125, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Alright that was a lot of pages and surprisingly little substance.
A few notes.
Flea asks if I was joking about Pooky Sus or not. I was not joking.
Why did I not follow up on a conversation about a topic not being a great thing to talk about? It is a mystery.In post 730, Flea The Magician wrote:Drops this like it's a bad fart, and promptly leaves. No contribution, no commitment, just ε=(｡◕ฺˇд ˇ◕ฺ｡）In post 274, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Oh well if they enjoy it then I guess that's okay no wait the opposite of that.In post 270, Flea The Magician wrote:People were asking, and I know some people enjoy setup spec.In post 250, Haschel Cedricson wrote:...In post 224, Flea The Magician wrote:So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.
O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?
What good canpossiblycome from this line of discussion?
Blitzo's iso bothers me. I like a lot of the questions he's asking, but I don't feel like there's a lot of follow-up.
Option A has a big problem here. Can anybody else see what it is?Titus wrote:I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.
Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do
Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.
Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.
Her reads in 580 are terrible, too. Misrepresentation of my game + Wildly overreacting to BM's 254 + Appeal to meta + 3 reads with literally no substance behind them.Unvote; Vote: Titus
Taly is by far my strongest townread for being the person who is visibly doing the most scumhunting. OutWorldER looks good too for similar reasons and also I like a lot of his posts.
That's all for now.
This feels TMI, doesn't want to discuss mechanics but wants to just lay down, not do any mech hunt discussion and get on with it? Like I'm not a huge fan of persistent tech talk but I feel that in this kinda case it's an amazing oppotunity to force a slip.In post 1151, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Because it gives the scum waaaaaaay too much room to maneuver and at the moment they have a lot more information about how to use game mechanics to their advantage than we do.In post 1147, Akarin wrote:Haschel, if you're not in favor of handing scum free killsIn post 1119, Haschel Cedricson wrote: Similarly, I'm not in favor of No Elimination today because it hands scum a free kill.why the heck are you opposed to claiming rooms?
wut. no really, wut.In post 1421, Haschel Cedricson wrote:This is the case you posted on BM:In post 1418, Titus wrote:Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.
VOTE: Battle Mage
Is there more to it than that?BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.
Titus is raging a little here because people are being daft, I was in the same boat later on. She says the vote is dumb and then you're like "BUT CASE! YOU HAF CASE SO YOUR VOTE OPPORTUNITY!"
Teachers about the fail the class I think...In post 1427, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Yeah, I read that. Nothing new since then? Anything to bolster your description of "transparently scum"?In post 1422, Titus wrote: Read the next few posts in my ISO. That's the summary cliff notes version.
I believe I already am.
Yup, Sir Hasc just called Titus up in front of the class.In post 1434, Haschel Cedricson wrote:In post 1427, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Yeah, I read that. Nothing new since then? Anything to bolster your description of "transparently scum"?In post 1422, Titus wrote: Read the next few posts in my ISO. That's the summary cliff notes version.Mine wasn't a rhetorical question, btw.In post 1432, Titus wrote:It's dumb because we should be no eliminating.In post 1426, Bell wrote:Where and when was this consensus reached and why was it dumb?In post 1418, Titus wrote:Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.
VOTE: Battle Mage
The sheer number of people voting to eliminate means we will eliminate, so it might as well be on scum.
Hey look no quote in this one... but still pushing the self-confessed dumb vote needing justification.In post 1436, Haschel Cedricson wrote:So his voting pattern both makes him transparently scum and can't make you 100% sure he's scummy. Do I have that correct?
In post 1466, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Anything more substantial than vibes?In post 1446, xRECKONERx wrote:hmmm i had townvibes from titus so these recent votes are highly suspect
*vibrations intensify*
oh nuts headteachers coming! I better look busy and copy the other teachers homework so I look like I've been paying attention!!In post 1851, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Hey all, getting caught up now. I see from the votecount people are no longer on Titus. Is that because people no longer think she's scum or are the other two wagons significantly better?
Obvs I'm about to draw my own conclusion but it'd be cool to have an answer to that by the time I get caught up.
I'm catching up, honest! ::munches popcorn::In post 1853, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Only up to 1592 but Battle Mage makes an excellent point about MC's attack not being logical at all. Really curious to see how this explodes into four more BM votes.
If I ever play a game and have more than 50 posts on day one when only four IRL days have elapsed, I give everyone in this thread permission to kick me in the groin should they ever encounter me outside the forums.[/quote]In post 1855, Haschel Cedricson wrote:[quote="In post 1619HC, Blitzo, and TGP are the bottom 3 with <50 posts each.
eugh making me fix your quote tag.
Thinking about this post and the post I've just dismembered prior to this, why do I get the feels that you're leaving posts unlinkable so people can't do back and check contexts for themselves? Like this bit is missing the contest I've started trying to do a bit of work.
Flea just spent some time and energy trying to work out something in a very specific context. Flea is currently expending time and energy going over your ISO to make sure fae aren't going out of faer mind... assuming fae has a fae mind fae can fae quite happily in. #6amCoffeeThoughtsIn post 1857, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Flea just spent a lot of time and energy in 1619 making a post that can basically be summarized as "In conclusion MC is a land of contrasts." Not a fan.
I see some posts are talking about meta. I plan on ignoring those posts.
Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?
Okay. BM-wagon = Bad, Murdercat-wagon = Good, Titus and Flea also good candidates for scum.
I like when people ask questions I can't somehow brain tangent on.In post 1887, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Flea, straight-up, do you think DGB is scum?
Teachers getting pissy againIn post 1902, Haschel Cedricson wrote:There were two questions in my post and you only answered the former.
Hey context!In post 1941, Haschel Cedricson wrote:In post 1901, Titus wrote:Battle Mage has been my number 1 SR for ages, so it's hardly unexplained.In post 1857, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?Stop dodging the question. Does the case against Murdercat make sense?In post 1902, Haschel Cedricson wrote:There were two questions in my post and you only answered the former.
Damnit Titus you're gunna get us all U's! (yeah our fails are U's, Unsatisfactory. You think getting Fail is hard? This is true English at its worst.)
Anyone ever have a teacher than just silenced the whole class' giggling with a single glare except the student stood up who just emitted a foul stench in fear?In post 1944, Haschel Cedricson wrote:You know what? Nobody answer this except Titus.In post 1943, MURDERCAT wrote:Can someone explain what "the case" actually is?In post 1941, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Does the case against Murdercat make sense?
No? ok then...
FAIRIES!In post 2338, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Right.
Congrats, this is a summary of what happened. You have correctly identified the fact that I was lukewarm on discussing mechanics and then decided that discussing mechanics helped scum more than town and therefore decided to stop discussing mechanics and later said it wasn't good to discuss mechanics. Stellar scumhunting, chief.In post 2186, Akarin wrote:The first thing is his entrance to the game: He comes in ready to talk a bit of mech and only slightly uncooperative. 5 actual minutes later, the plan is "bad and doomed to failure." And Pooky is sus for suggesting it. When Alisae asked him why, all he'd say was"If you don't know then now is certainly not the time to tell you." As if there were some mech reason. Later when I asked him again why this was worth giving scum a free NK (after my big example) his extremely persuasive reason was just "Because it gives the scum waaaaaaay too much room to maneuver and at the moment they have a lot more information about how to use game mechanics to their advantage than we do." That's it. Despite not wanting to tell Alisae earlier, and all the reasoning I gave, his 5 minute turn-around is just that strong.
As for my interactions with Titus, Titus pinged me as a scummy player and then did absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise.
In Option A, the scum kill Titus and then somebody still has to do her task because tasks aren't completed during the night phase. I expect town players to have paid close attention to how their tasks are actually performed.In post 2187, Akarin wrote:Titus wrote:
I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.
Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do
Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.
Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.
Option A has a big problem here. Can anybody else see what it is? (Titus was wrong about the setup, why is this scummy? And why does Haschel understand this part of the setup but not the rest?)Good point, assuming you redefine "transparently" and "100%" to mean things that they don't actually mean.In post 2187, Akarin wrote:In post 1436, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
So his voting pattern both makes him transparently scum and can't make you 100% sure he's scummy. Do I have that correct?
Like this doesn't seem like a damning contradiction to me.
There were two wagons at the time, and Titus didn't comment on the Murdercat one at all. I don't care that she said BM had been her main scumread for ages; I've already established that was an incredibly weak position to have in the first place given the reasoning Titus presented. Meanwhile we have another player in Murdercat a lot of people are suggesting is scummy; there's a decent case laid out, and Titus ignores it in favor of pushing a counterwagon (on a player that I believe is town) with the minimum of effort. When pressured, she refuses to give an opinion on Murdercat or the Murdercat wagon. I wasn't presenting a trap, I was trying to force her to commit to a stance on a player who at the time was looking like a feasible elimination so we could get associative tells later. And then the kicker is she has no idea why the wagon is a thing. Bullshit. The case and most of the wagon were all presented on the same page. Titus is a player trying to avoid giving detailed reads.In post 2187, Akarin wrote:Then there's the whole WHY ARE YOU DODGING THE QUESTION interaction: After Titus votes BM, Haschel: "Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?" Murdercat was the other wagon here, and at this point Haschel was saying the BM wagon was bad and Murdercat was good. I actually agree with that at that point in the game, but when Titus says BM has been her main scumread for ages Haschel makes this big weird deal about Titus apparently "dodging the question" of whether the Murdercat wagon makes sense. When Flareon asks what it is, Haschel insists that no one but Titus should answer. Like he's expecting some useful scumhunting trap out of not telling Titus what the Murdercat case is. When she eventually catches up, she says post 1953she has no idea why the wagon is a thing[/url].
Hmm yes, what is the point in getting the opinion of a player on the counterwagon to the person they are voting? You even answer your own question in the second sentence. Pressure = Pressure.In post 2187, Akarin wrote:Titus wasn't voting MURDERCAT, so what was even the point? It served to put a lot of pressure on Titus but???
My scumreads are either Titus or Titus-adjacent, so yeah, this is the best direction to direct my energy right now.In post 2215, Taly wrote:I don't know why else Haschel focuses on Titus unless it's like him as town to just sit on one person for the entirety of D1.
Sorry, getting Mr Crocker flashbacks...
This is a lot of work to say "I think Titus is scum."
Blitzo just got detention.In post 2387, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Yes.
Titus bad, Flea bad, Murdercat not great. Blitzo is also not great; there's a lack of pressuring and follow-through from him that hits me the wrong way. I also don't want to OMGUS but portraying my last post as "only showing up when my neck is on the line" is either disingenuous or ignorant of how time zones work. Battle Mage town, you town, DGB town. Everyone else hasn't really registered too much other than the mass-claim debacle.
Why the concern over OMGUS'ing so much?In post 2390, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Actually TGP's reaction of voting me after my rebuttal without addressing any of it also doesn't look great but again I want to reread to make sure I'm not OMGUSing. I will say it looks very opportunistic though.
I'm not sure how I feel about this... kinda one rule for him and one for the others?In post 2392, Haschel Cedricson wrote:There will be multiple people there with me assuming the rest of you follow the spreadsheet.
Someone thinks highly of themselvesIn post 2504, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Huh, surprised to be alive.
Not super thrilled with Jub-jub or the rest of you who claimed all your tasks and locations in light of the door-locking.
Anyway, I was in Comms last night.
Full caffine crash has happened, picking this up again once I've actually slept. whoooo 7am!
Reminder this is just my thoughts here not a bloomin case...
very sad. But he figured it out in the end.
