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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:31 am
by Saber
You're incredibly unpleasant.

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:32 am
by petapan
baww

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:36 am
by Infinity 324
In post 3684, Gypyx wrote:
In post 3657, Infinity 324 wrote:i think it's more likely that they're scum together and were trying to look uncoordinated than that toog is town and dunn wrote out that whole post to try to look town instead of just shooting toog and staying alive

gypyx, thoughts?
hi yes

trying to look uncoordinated is defintely a possibility, but i don't think it's a super common page of the scum playbook (feel free to call me stupid if i'm wrong)

but like, once again, maybe his plan was actually to "just shoot toog" for all we know, toog was the first one to spin the bareel there, so it's not like dunn showed any will to not kill toog from what we can tell
huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:38 am
by petapan
the fact is this is a game where some people are as part of the game lying and trying to manipulate others

to that end i have to have hard heart and not care when someone complains about their feelings or how i'm being unfair because they've been busy irl and didn't have the time. i did not care when galron cried about it even though i was probably wrong, i do not care when it comes to you. displays of emotionality and making excuses are only going to make me think people are falling back on that as a way of appearing vulnerable to make people want to be on their side. i care for none of it


i think the way you're reacting to me here is tantamount to a scumclaim

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:39 am
by Infinity 324
In post 3690, Gypyx wrote:pink peeps, i kinda forgor, did pete show up early or late as a wagon option?
middle i guess? maybe on the earlier side

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:40 am
by petapan
it's so so so inwardly focused, all about you, concern for how you're being perceived, that's the most important thing to you
in a phase where you are not up for elimination
, it's very clear to see

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:40 am
by Gypyx
In post 3702, Infinity 324 wrote:huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically
oh right that

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:42 am
by Gypyx
actually maybe even not

ughhh, i wish toog could just blow up rn so i no longer have to think about him lol

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:44 am
by petapan
saber eclain to me the scum motivation in
bad faith reading you when i could very well flip this phase

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:46 am
by Infinity 324
In post 3706, Gypyx wrote:but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still
doesn't it still look a bit planned if the bullet is in the first chamber and dunn just shoots scum!toog? this may not have been the best way to approach an s/s duel, but it makes more sense that scum would think that this is a good way of approaching it that that scum would risk dunn dying over town!toog

toog is my top scumread as a result of this tbh

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:55 am
by Gypyx
In post 3709, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 3706, Gypyx wrote:but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still
doesn't it still look a bit planned if the bullet is in the first chamber and dunn just shoots scum!toog? this may not have been the best way to approach an s/s duel, but it makes more sense that scum would think that this is a good way of approaching it that that scum would risk dunn dying over town!toog

toog is my top scumread as a result of this tbh
well, the main problem i see with the plan is that like, Dunn was without any contest acting scummy, so the stagebois took a 50% chance to lose the 2 peoples involved in the duel

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:08 am
by Infinity 324
toog got more votes than dunn anyway, and any plan that involves saving a given scum member is gonna look pretty suspicious to the town

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:18 am
by petapan
btw infinity if i wrongly sheeped scum onto you here i'm sorry, i just did not have any good ideas

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:20 am
by Infinity 324
In post 3712, petapan wrote:btw infinity if i wrongly sheeped scum onto you here i'm sorry, i just did not have any good ideas
it's ok, it's kind of a tough game, i fucked up by letting you get voted in

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:37 am
by petapan
the whole split thread mechanic is wildly antitown, not a grouse, just want people to understand whatever the outcome here there shouldn't be necessarily a ton of blame assignment because the mechanics create a suboptimal decisionmaking environment

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:45 am
by ulyana
In post 3684, Gypyx wrote:but like, once again, maybe his plan was actually to "just shoot toog" for all we know, toog was the first one to spin the bareel there, so it's not like dunn showed any will to not kill toog from what we can tell
? the mafia chose where the bullet was and dunnstral had the gun first - so if the plan was “just shoot toog” (the plan that would have actually made sense, yes) then the bullet would have been in the first chamber and dunnstral would have just shot toogeloo

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:50 am
by ulyana
In post 3706, Gypyx wrote:
In post 3702, Infinity 324 wrote:huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically
oh right that

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still
if dunnstral was playing for towncred would have spun barrel in first place as that is basically only town play there

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:54 am
by Infinity 324
In post 3716, ulyana wrote:
In post 3706, Gypyx wrote:
In post 3702, Infinity 324 wrote:huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically
oh right that

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still
if dunnstral was playing for towncred would have spun barrel in first place as that is basically only town play there
dunn was playing for towncred with what he did, it may not have been the best way to do it, but i don't see another explanation for his actions

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:10 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 3714, petapan wrote:the whole split thread mechanic is wildly antitown, not a grouse, just want people to understand whatever the outcome here there shouldn't be necessarily a ton of blame assignment because the mechanics create a suboptimal decisionmaking environment
yeah these events have kinda sucked so far

I honestly feel like a complete failure rn. Infinity has had my back so many times in the past, and the one time I have the chance to do the same for her, I get completely shut down. It's horrible.

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:39 am
by petapan
gamma it is literally one phase in a mafia game and the people who were being discussed have not flipped yet

the point i am literally trying to make is that these things are made to be difficult and so getting down over it is the wrong thing to do

and there's a broader conversation about not treating every phase in a mafia game like a life or death affair like people seem to but that's probably beyond the scope of things that are necessary to talk about here

(i mean, i feel bad i could not have ceph's back but that was literally by design of the setup)

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:49 am
by Gypyx
In post 3717, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 3716, ulyana wrote:
In post 3706, Gypyx wrote:
In post 3702, Infinity 324 wrote:huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically
oh right that

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still
if dunnstral was playing for towncred would have spun barrel in first place as that is basically only town play there
dunn was playing for towncred with what he did, it may not have been the best way to do it, but i don't see another explanation for his actions
well why so affirmative ? Like, i don't know what sane scumteam goes "yeah you got this dunnboi, this post is litterally gonna big brain all of them townies huhehuhaha"

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:51 am
by Gamma Emerald
it just sucks that the one time I'm confident that infinity is town in position to save her from an oncoming miselim, I get completely fucked by the setup + people basically tuning me out

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:52 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 3721, Gamma Emerald wrote:it just sucks that the one time I'm confident that infinity is town and in position to save her from an oncoming miselim, I get completely fucked by the setup + people basically tuning me out
EBWOP

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:54 am
by Gypyx
In post 3716, ulyana wrote:
In post 3706, Gypyx wrote:
In post 3702, Infinity 324 wrote:huh? he could've put the bullet in the first chamber and shot them deterministically
oh right that

but obviously he didn't, and even if they were S/S, nothing prevented one guy to just shoot the other right as you say? which imo could've been worth it's fair share of towncred still
if dunnstral was playing for towncred would have spun barrel in first place as that is basically only town play there
i mean, from our perspective it is but you could argue scum kinda mindgame themselves into doing something else, although i reckon that's a pretty weak argument
In post 3715, ulyana wrote:
In post 3684, Gypyx wrote:but like, once again, maybe his plan was actually to "just shoot toog" for all we know, toog was the first one to spin the bareel there, so it's not like dunn showed any will to not kill toog from what we can tell
? the mafia chose where the bullet was and dunnstral had the gun first - so if the plan was “just shoot toog” (the plan that would have actually made sense, yes) then the bullet would have been in the first chamber and dunnstral would have just shot toogeloo
i'm dumb >.>

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:55 am
by Infinity 324
In post 3718, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3714, petapan wrote:the whole split thread mechanic is wildly antitown, not a grouse, just want people to understand whatever the outcome here there shouldn't be necessarily a ton of blame assignment because the mechanics create a suboptimal decisionmaking environment
yeah these events have kinda sucked so far

I honestly feel like a complete failure rn. Infinity has had my back so many times in the past, and the one time I have the chance to do the same for her, I get completely shut down. It's horrible.
i couldn't save you from being chosen as the executioner, and also i remember having to hammer you at deadline at one point to avoid a no elim despite townreading you

good job correctly reading me; sometimes everyone disagrees with your reads and despite being right things work out really badly; it's part of being a team game

this game is very winnable even though i'm probably dying here, i believe in you to get it done