Iecerint wrote:@ Benmage -- Ah. Hmm. Well. Hmm. Is there a reason that hasn't already made him too dumb to live, or what?
No..he'll be on the updated to kill list for you guys restalking tonight...Although Nico also looks like a nice target to try and stalk again, how could such a lurker get a fake ward...I doubt it would be a scum ward setup on a townie.... But also think about who will probably be on the chopping block tomorrow...Andrius? Nico? Soooo you re-stalkers will be required to drink a bottle of wine before submitting your actions to Percy tonight.
ALSO
TNM You have to Stalk and Kill me.
I'll double rob grave these next two nights...I'll do Compulsion and Denial tonight to not affect my day abilities, and it won't matter the following night because you should be killing me..I highly doubt scum will waste a player warding me. Confirming...or imo, not confirming you will be most useful.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:50 pm
by Iecerint
I was going to ask why you wanted TNM to do that, but. That is actually a pretty neat gambit. GJ.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:59 pm
by Benmage
STALKERS:
Re-VPB
Re-Hito
Re-Ice
Re-Seacore
(TNM)
Those who need to die:
Andrius (Potential lynch)
Nico (Potential lynch)
Kunkstar
Plum
AV
Triglav
Trilobite
TNM (Most likely lynched if he can’t kill me)
Me (ONLY TO BE STALKED BY TNM)
The NachovsFeysal mess wines my brain to mush. I don’t know if I want them to be stalkers or killed lol. Sure Nacho’s slot claimed the rezz first….But as cult knowing the failed kill that could be an easy gamble, both to excuse blood, an insanity and make Feysal look worse. Or I could be overthinking and Feysal is lying…Or both could be telling the truth…AHHHHH….The triglav commune on Nacho’s slot adds to the brain headache. I'm fairly convinced theres scum in one of them.
ROB GRAVE PLAN:
Wraith: Benmage, Triglav
Baby Spice: Benmage, Triglav
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:04 pm
by Benmage
I'm open to ideas on what to do with Nacho and Feysal. Thats pretty much what I'm stumped on, the rest looks good imo.
(The deadline has been extended to three weeks to account for the holiday period.)
With 18 alive, 10 votes secures a lynch.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:22 pm
by Benmage
Actuallly...I'll RG, and Ward tonight...TNM will have no excuse.
So XVART, you Rob Grave Wraith instead of me aiiiiight?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:26 pm
by Trilobite
totallynotmafia wrote:@Baby Spice: please claim all your night actions.
@Feysal: Why did you commune me?
Methinks that all the people who claimed failed stalks need to stalk again, you know, to prove they actually have the ability to stalk and are not just pretending to have failed.
totallynotmafia wrote:Do I really need to explain that VP? Seacore and Iecrint could be lying about stalking BS because they already knew hito's stalk on BS failed, and you could be lying about having a failed stalk on Nic. Nothing to worry about if you guys are investigators because all you have to do is stalk again.
It's great when something you say the previous day gets ignored, but then when someone advocates doing the exact same thing after the results being reported as they were... that takes the cake...
Trilobite wrote:Ideally, those with suicidal will be dealt with by murderers... but if cult finds it valuble to keep them in the game, (And given that it makes a lylo lynch easier there IS value in it.) they may actively work against that kind of plan.
That's one of my primary concerns with the idea of stalking and murdering undesirable players. I tend to see murdering as something that's ineffective as a cult catching tool early on because of their ability to res, (and currently we don't have any cult flips.) and something that could be more effective later, when they have fewer members able to mess with stalks and murders.
Of course at that point I wasn't thinking of the possibility of warding but I digress...
Baby Spice wrote:Why the hell wouldn't I check Xvart for blood. I'm the one who pointed out that he could currently be a murderer and that he should be forced to launder/grave rob!
DOESN"T ANYONE FIND IT STRANGE THAT AS SOON AS I QUESTION BENMAGE ABOUT AN INSANITY INFRACTION OOH LOOK I"M SCUM FOR BEING WARDED???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
THAT"S WHY I ASKED WHY HE WAITED FOR GODS SAKE.
THE timing screamed suspicious with LOTS OF CAPITAL SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
It's bloody Strangercoug's game all over again.
Xvart defended himself by saying Triglav communed him. This is not correct. Nontheless Andrius claimed an Xvart commune, at a point when he should have only had one insanity. Xvart couldn't have murdered Lost Butterfly unless he had at least 2 insanities at that point in the game.
YOU LOSE.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:32 pm
by Seacore
I'm busy at work, although nothing looks like I have to contribute much too.
I would like to raise the motion that we wait until after new year to end the day. If we have night over the christmas break we will have too much "Oh, I just didn't get to my computer, I was v/la the whole time." to handle.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:26 pm
by Seacore
Benmage, why are the Tri brothers on the kill list?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:24 pm
by hitogoroshi
Oh Benmage you beautiful bastard. If only we had thought about having the stalk targets ward last night! That makes so much more sense. Scum can't ward them for WIFOM, so a failed stalk gives us confirmed cult.
We should have our two most trustworthy stalkers (Ben's choice) hit Andrius and Nico, who we will ask to ward other players. Failed stalk = lynch. TNM can hit Ben, and Iece and Seacore scull the list like last night (unless Ben has two more people he'd rather have us hit guaranteed.) Andrius and Nico, if you're townies, the best thing you can do is make sure we don't waste a day on you guys.
I agree with Seacore that we should hold off on going to night until after Christmas. (between Christmas and New Years should probably be okay?) I'll start working on the Investigator's Reference. (If I had known the day would be so cut-and-dried I'd have saved the Christmas Cthulhu picture...hopefully I can find another.)
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:34 pm
by totallynotmafia
Benmage, cult warding you tonight would not be a wasted action, seeing as it would result in me being lynched. If you want me to prove I'm an investigator don't worry because I've been meaning to stalk for a while now, I just haven't had the time yet to actually read people thoroughly in iso to find someone who I feel has a strong likelihood of flipping scum. Now that I do have the time though I will be stalking tonight (and I encourage any other investigators on the "scummy" lists to stalk tonight too) I just wont be stalking you BM so cult can't interfere, and I wont be confining my stalk to any pre-approved lists either.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:38 pm
by Benmage
totallynotmafia wrote:Benmage, cult warding you tonight would not be a wasted action, seeing as it would result in me being lynched.
You don't seem to understand. I ward tonight means I can't be warded, meaning your Stalk/Kill can't fail, meaning this last post and squirm confirms to me you are indeed cult.
I AGREE, NO MORE BABY SPICE VOTES TILL AFTER NEW YEARS DAY.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:41 pm
by totallynotmafia
LOL, doesn't that mean your ward fails though and you are still warded?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:45 pm
by Benmage
hitogoroshi wrote:We should have our two most trustworthy stalkers (Ben's choice) hit Andrius and Nico, who we will ask to ward other players. Failed stalk = lynch. TNM can hit Ben, and Iece and Seacore scull the list like last night (unless Ben has two more people he'd rather have us hit guaranteed.) Andrius and Nico, if you're townies, the best thing you can do is make sure we don't waste a day on you guys.
Let me dwell on this, and try and think things through...because cult killing our guys could be a fubar of wifom...the reason it'll work for me is cult passed me my fetish last night, so they can't kill me before TNM is forced to do this. There is no way for TNM to squirm out of this.
******Does anyone else know for certain that scum don't have a fetish of them. I.E. Passed last night (or potentially a previous one/followed by no noise)
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:47 pm
by Benmage
totallynotmafia wrote:LOL, doesn't that mean your ward fails though and you are still warded?
Damn..you are correct.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:47 pm
by hitogoroshi
Ah, damn, I knew it was too easy...wards are counter-clockwise to Rez, so warding doesn't make you unwardable, a ward just makes YOUR ward fail. So actually scratch that plan. We should probably just cluster-bomb the people as normal.
(Also I'm inclined to say we should just lynch Nico tomorrow and not bother with ze killings.)
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:51 pm
by Benmage
Alright, damnit I'll go back to double rob graving tonight...We'll simply make TNM a stalker/killer, moreover I will become open fodder on the to be killed list.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:53 pm
by totallynotmafia
Well, now you can see why I'd much rather stalk and kill somebody without having cult know who it is. Heh, this is gonna be fun.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:38 pm
by Baby Spice
Hey Trilo. Try looking at where hito puts Andy on the scum list. Try looking at where Xvart puts Andy on the scum list.
Then riddle me this.
If Andy is being placed on scum lists, how in hell can his comune of Xvart be trusted?
Why the hell is the town falling behind a probable murderer and a someone faking an insanity?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:44 am
by VP Baltar
Mod, I'm going to be V/LA from sometime this afternoon to Dec. 27. Thanks.
I'll try to get some stuff up today before I need to start packing up the sleigh, but I agree with hito that holding off until at least after Christmas is a wise move.
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:46 am
by totallynotmafia
Actually, Baby Spice, the pertinent question is what do you think happened last night which prevented the stalks on you? Kind of surprised you haven't addressed this at all yet.
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:08 am
by VasudeVa
Hey guys, I'm so busy these days I can barely go online for any reason. Always out doing stuff and stuff. Also entertaining family since it's the seasons. I'm sure some of you I'm in other games with may have noticed I've disappeared for so long. I promise I'll take time to get to my Mafia responsibilites before Christmas. I've got at least 5 hours worth of catching up to do and I kind of need to do it right. >.>
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:18 am
by AurorusVox
I know this is far too late but
VP Baltar wrote:lmao...that was so wrong and yet so funny.
^this a thousand times
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-I'd like to point out that the order in which people claimed a failed stalk on BabySpice has NO relevance at all for how likely it is that they're being truthful since cult would know they warded and that it would have failed just as the stalkers would know it failed.
-I support the nominated people restalking tonight since having a failed stalk/murder proves nothing.
-Feysal raises a very interesting point that cult may be warding all stalk targets. If they want to do that and waste their night actions, then great - this could mean they can't launder and can be caught out by forensics so hey ho go go gadget forensic tools.
-Andrius has been sailing through this game taking silly night actions and conveniently explaining away insanities, and needs to contribute (today) more and/or get lynched (tomorrow?) more.
-Benmage's offer to be stalked and killed should placate peoples' (I'M LOOKING AT YOU BABYSPICE) concerns about his motivations. The fact he's STILL going on about it is even more reason for him to die.
Am I to be directed at all tonight, since I was directed last night?
