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or you know, we both had hella personal things to deal with?

fuck off I wouldn't lie about that

↑ podoboq wrote:But, obviously, the biggest factor is his garbage push to lynch TPP over Skybird. For that, I'm also happy to vote FS here, but I want to hear someone claim they were wigged first.

When did tictac push us? It was mostly FS and their shadow dwlee. Their Marquis read is misguided but I think they were scumreading Marquis on the assumption that Skybird would flip town and Marquis was strongarming a mislynch. I would be interested to see how that has changed over night.

↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:VOTE: Pied pipers

Obvious reasons. their weird handling of the skybird wagon, overall scummy play.

Tictac okay too

You have the gall to complain about our wagon handling when your hydra partner scumread Skybird right up until she started looking like a viable wagon and then 180ed on her.

↑ Marquis wrote:

↑ Mirhawk wrote:It doesn't actually do anything in game therms other then the fact that the person he gave it to is confirmed to have received one.

no - oftentimes when a vendor role is in a game, the mafia can only submit one night action. in other words, it's more likely in this game than in others that mafia can't both use a kill and an individual action at once

I agree with this reasoning.

↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:or you know, we both had hella personal things to deal with?

fuck off I wouldn't lie about that

I think you're scum and I want you dead. I believe that you can have personal things happening in your life and a scum role PM at the same time. I have had a IRL shit going on all fucking game and you keep referencing another game when I also had IRL shit going on and happened to be scum to scumread me all fucking game so.

I don't believe you're lying about real life. I am sorry about your real life troubles and hope they improve. I believe that you couldn't kill and send a wig in the same night. I believe that your reads progression on Skybird, Ranger, and Us is unnatural and clumsy. I appreciate you going balls to the walls to defend your scumbuddy yesterday but we don't buy it.

I think also that if you were town you would be a lot more worried about the little yes-man you've acquired.

↑ The Pied Piper wrote:Their Marquis read is misguided but I think they were scumreading Marquis on the assumption that Skybird would flip town and Marquis was strongarming a mislynch. I would be interested to see how that has changed over night.

Well obviously I don't want to lynch Marquis tonight

Wasn't aware that I advocated Pipez over Bird? I was very clear about my preferences yesterday. "don't want to lynch Pipez at all" was what I said.
@podo point to where I pushed TPP please.

I'm conflicted about Cake again.

podo & Seniors look like good candidates.
Occurs to me that Seniors being a fruitvendor isn't confirmed. Could be that one of the scum is one and it's "first one to get run up claim fruitvendor" type of thing.
No wig tonight could mean avoiding possible trackers/watchers.
VOTE: Seniors

↑ SirCakez wrote:He avoided voting Skybird the entire day. His only votes were Pistach and me which is terrible.
P-edit: we lynched mafia why are you salty bro

I didn't avoid voting Skybird. I thought she was town and I was defending her.
Also: not vote-jumping isn't scummy

At the very least, we've all learned an important lesson about truthfully claiming ones role being different from truthfully claiming ones alignment.

↑ itlepip wrote:BTW quick thoughts on Sky iso before I forget. Cake looks a little better, TPP a little worse, Cerb is more confirmed, Marquis looks a little worse but still in my town circle, and tictac + mir look worse.

Can you expand on that? Especially why Marq looks worse?
pedit: Yeah, I agree with that.

↑ Dwlee99 wrote:-slams face into keyboard-
VOTE: tictac

What's your problem? I can't be wrong now?

↑ SirCakez wrote:Could also vote Mirhawk btw, before he says I'm not pushing him enough

↑ Mirhawk wrote:I've been thinking that maybe scum would likely be in the people who agreed with Ranger's reads when she entered the game, as she pretty much destroyed Skybirds wagon.

This includes Cakez (conveniently for me) but I can't really remember who else.

Podo.

I find myself thinking that Skybird really did use her kingmaker shot on Tammy. No way to prove it now of course, but otherwise she probably would have said she still had it.

Agreed.

↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:and honestly, I don't think I was. I think that was a shit case on mislynch bait who happened to be scum

I do agree with this.

↑ davesaz wrote:

↑ True Ogre wrote:I believe he thinks Piper was softing a result on him by voting without an explanation. All I meant by old-school was that he'd been a popular pick for scum most of the day Day 1 and most people has subsequently turned that around to town Day 2. You give me too much credit.

I'd be interested in your Pipers and itlepip reads.

Likely town, and almost certainly town.

VOTE: FS

@tictac: I'm sorry, I can't find anywhere you actually pushed TPP. I'm probably misremembering. It's been a few days, and you were largely inactive near the end of the day, so I might have just forgotten a lot of your stances.

What's also concerning from Seniors is how they dodged the wig question for several pages despite being questioned. Like if I was town and fucked up and knew suspicion was on me I'd want to get that out there immediately but they had to be asked repeatedly about where the wig went.

Ok so no, this seniors wagon is trash.
Tictac called marquis scum for their.skybird push, let's lynch them tyvm

↑ Dwlee99 wrote:Ok so no, this seniors wagon is trash.
Tictac called marquis scum for their.skybird push, let's lynch them tyvm

Why are you so confident that Seniors is town?

↑ Dwlee99 wrote:Ok so no, this seniors wagon is trash.
Tictac called marquis scum for their.skybird push, let's lynch them tyvm

> conf town
me > town af
Marquis > the towniest
TPP > I mean, I still don't read TPP as scum
tictac > OK, yeah, he's on the wagon, so that's bad

Not enough to call it trash.

So, whatever happened last night has to be super-good, right? I feel like this is one of those "if I only knew what people were doing, I could totally crack this game wide open" moments....

, this is jumping out at me this morning:

↑ The Pied Piper wrote:

Vote: Friendless Seniors

↑ Marquis wrote:lol why should we
i agree it's fully plausible those two (tpp) bussed skybird
in fact more than plausible
but FS and maybe tictac are way better lynches

I haven't ever and wouldn't ever vote someone as scum that I wasn't willing to see dead. I would never give a scum partner like that room unless she was competent enough to make it the distance and Skybird wasn't. As a lesser point, I wouldn't let my one-shot kingmaker claim "one shot kingmaker without a shot" in a thousand years, but that's only applicable if scumteam has daytalk.

↑ The Pied Piper wrote:Cakez, I have a pretty good idea where your tictac scumread is coming from, but they aren't scum. Axel would be a better vote.

The vote is for Friendless Seniors, so where is the "Axel would be a better vote" advice coming from? With no mention of FS at all?

↑ True Ogre wrote:
Axel was actually my main concern to want to sort. The two say practically nothing ot each other all day until Axel comes in with another of those awkward full-steam-ahead cases (which was as the Skybird wagon was gaining a lot of support). I could consider tictac today but I'd have squint at it sideways I think. Last time I looked he was tending town but that was pre-flip.

I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this. What was "awkward" about it? And what was "full-steam-ahead" about it? Neither of those characterizations even makes sense. Skybird was very much a non-entity this game. When she started getting serious attention, I re-read her, noted everything I thought was relevant, and came out "leaning scum." Then I voted because that looked like the best option for where we were.

The fact that Sky completely ignored everything I had to say was part of the reason I had no problems continuing to vote for her. That and the weird claim, which I very much did not believe, but it turns out may have been at least partly true. I'll be interested to see exactly what a scum "Kingmaker" does when this is over.

↑ Marquis wrote:oh that reminds me I'm a 2 shot cop with innocents on twl and dave ok bye

I'm looking for a :thumbs up smiley and not finding one, so you just get this

↑ Dwlee99 wrote:

Ok so no, this seniors wagon is trash.

Tictac called marquis scum for their.skybird push, let's lynch them tyvm

Agreed. Not the composition, but the fact that it even exists.

Re-re-reading Sky in light of flip.

She didn't give a lot of strong reads. True Ogre, davesaz, Dramonic strong town. TicTac and Mirhawk were kind of null/waffling. Her only votes ever were Friendless Seniors and SirCakez.

Of those, I think the FS one was the one that had a greater chance of actually happening. I don't think Cakez ever got over even three votes.

I am much less interested in lynching FS today than I was on D1.

It is entirely possible some of this comes from the fact that FS is no longer screaming I am scum every time he posts, which has a tendency to make me want to respond in kind, which is a character flaw in my game that I recognize.

↑ Friendless Seniors wrote:

Rob, if this head (EP) doesn't post anything of content by tomorrow, then it might be best to talk with hiplop about replacing me out of this game.

I think I have to re-read all PP's posts now.

:shudder

↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:
Not the composition, but the fact that it even exists.

@Podo