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In post 3722, insomnia wrote:This game makes no sense unless it’s FL or Auro.

In post 3567, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Titus is weird Kill unless there is a scum PR. Titus and me would be the obvious lynch today given how the lynch happened. I am still a good lynch
option given i was off both of the Nom and Pine lynch .

In post 3727, Looker wrote:If we have all of these obvtown folks, why are they not helping by voting? Or, at the very least, FoS'ing? They become dead weight.

In post 2893, insomnia wrote:

In post 163, joges wrote:

In post 149, Nicholai wrote:joges' read sure is weird though, people come up with the craziest ideas of how scum are doing crazy strats like "making town not care about the game to lull them to depression with negative insight." when in reality scum are just trying to appear not scummy 95% of the time

This feels misreppy.. Like you want to distance yourself from my read by saying something I already said when I made the vote. Like you just wanted to make sure the same words were in your ISO.

Admittedly I may not get the gist of what his mentality was behind this post, but I don't really understand a thing from this post. Anyway, after some more thorough analysis, I actually full 180'd on my initial reasoning for town reading Joges, which was his pushback at Nicholai. I will explain why down below, commenting on that exact post and what I draw from it.

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Ok, first of all, I will explain what Nicholai's process was for anyone that might have trouble finding it :

Nicholai stated that Joges' reason for voting Salamander was scummy, not that the actual read itself was bad. That's literally all there was to it. Now, going from that premise, watch how Joges' progression unfolds on Nicholai.

In post 179, joges wrote:

In post 122, joges wrote:

In post 95, Salamence20 wrote:Everyone lurks.

This site is dying

VOTE: Salamence

Seems a good way to make town not care about the game is to lull them to depression with negative insight.

Honestly, this is a stretch, but nothing else has stood out.

Concerning the self vote, it's RVS. And no amount of making it anything more than that will make it more than that.

In post 149, Nicholai wrote:joges' read sure is weird though, people come up with the craziest ideas of how scum are doing crazy strats like "making town not care about the game to lull them to depression with negative insight." when in reality scum are just trying to appear not scummy 95% of the time

In post 152, Nicholai wrote:VOTE: Salamence his ISO is sludgy

(note this is not an OMGUS, i actually intuitively townread people who vote me by default)

In post 173, Nicholai wrote:

In post 163, joges wrote:

In post 149, Nicholai wrote:joges' read sure is weird though, people come up with the craziest ideas of how scum are doing crazy strats like "making town not care about the game to lull them to depression with negative insight." when in reality scum are just trying to appear not scummy 95% of the time

This feels misreppy.. Like you want to distance yourself from my read by saying something I already said when I made the vote. Like you just wanted to make sure the same words were in your ISO.

what what what? i was disagreeing with your read and basically calling it reaching actually

122 - I vote Sala, and mention it's a stretch for my reason but it's all that stood out.

149 - You call my already self-proclaimed shaky read "weird"

152 - 3 posts later you vote for Sala.

173 - you claim to disagree with my read, while voting my read, and yet I'm supposed to think you're "disagreeing with me"?

This is a blatant misrep from what Nicholai was actually saying in order for joges to fabricate this progression (read my note on Nicholai's thoughts).

149 - You call my already self-proclaimed shaky read "weird"

This is an attempt at being one of them "gotcha" moments that really doesn't make any sense. Basically, Joges has invalidated his own vote on Salamander

in the same post

saying it was a stretch, but because someone else called it weird they're scummy? So, you made a self-admitted shit vote, but when someone else calls it out you say that it's weird? This is not even an attempt at discerning whether his call-out is scum motivated, this is bluntly portraying him scummy because he said that joges' vote was shit.

152 - 3 posts later you vote for Sala.

173 - you claim to disagree with my read, while voting my read, and yet I'm supposed to think you're "disagreeing with me"?

The next set of posts is just blatantly misrepping Nicholai's posts in order to fit his narrative. Just because Nicholai voted Sala, it doesn't mean that he is saying joges' read was wrong on it, he's saying joges' reasoning for the callout was shit, and it was pretty clear. That doesn't mean that sala isn't scum, it just means he thought your reasoning was scummy.

The most important thing is probably the end of this post , which is "I'm supposed to think you're disagreeing with me?"

I honestly think that the whole progression was faked in order to reach this point. Which is fine, town do stuff like this as well, it's called confirmation bias. Except that this is not even calling Nicholai scum at all, it's just painting him scum and joges town during the process. The ending is a self-centered conclusion which states "Why should I believe anything you say?" rather than "You're scum because x, y, z", which is a polar opposite from a town progression, which joges is trying to attempt to make but isn't flat out stating Nicholai is scum.

This post wasn't meant to deduce Nicholai's alignment at all, it was misrepped in order to make himself look better in the end, while not flat out stating a suspicion on Nicholai although that's what his posts are meant to subtly hint towards to.

Summary

Joges' progression on Nicholai early on wasn't one of trying to deduce his alignment, but rather to make himself look good in the end, through a fake , scummy and full of blatant misrepping progression in order to make Nicholai look like shit and himself look like town.

In post 2894, insomnia wrote:

In post 182, Nicholai wrote:joges my man, i didn't vote Salsa for the same reasons you did, i know you said your read was a stretch but i thought it was illogical which is slightly different. hope i've cleared everything up and we can continue to play this grand game of mafia while all having fun and eating grilled halloumi

yeah so apparently nicholai did say "i think your read on him is wrong" which I interpreted as "I think your reasoning for the read is wrong" because of this post, but this was clarified only after that whole thing

it really sucks because now my case is basically still flawed but it doesn't necessarily absolve joges anyway because the point broadly applies, he never called nicholai scum and he did come out better out of the exchange and didn't want to sort him, but my point about him misrepping him doesn't stand anymore.

even though technically if he's scum then he'd take the opportunity to make it look better even if it's not really twisting his actual words and could've capitalized on how bad nicholai's progression was

In post 2895, insomnia wrote:Also, if Joges' vote on Sala was so shit but then he had a better vote on Nicholai because of his "opportunistic" why didn't he just vote there, given, you know, it's better? :shrug:

In post 3676, insomnia wrote:Well okay, a kill always points towards something / someone but my point was FL would’ve made that kill anyway, as it both leaves room for interpretation on other slots and it doesn’t point towards him at all.

In post 3746, Looker wrote:The amount of times you keep trying that is depressing. I thought Gjt was scum with nom, so I voted him to keep him from backpedaling. Why not scumread Gjt since he unvoted? Why do people think you're great at this game? Either way, if Flavor Leaf lynches me, lynch him tomorrow. I refuse to lose to the likes of this.