In post 826, Venus Fly Trap wrote:like yeah i see what you're saying and agree with u that cakez is more nuanced than i'd expect as scum but i have issues with the timing and progression of this
(and how i'm suddenly town and how you're now interacting with me)
Holding timing against me is silly. I wasn't around when Cakez did town shit. Part of the reasons why my progressions are as chaotic as they are is because I flip my reads pretty quickly naturally. Part of the reason is because I tend to go 24 hours between significant posting sessions but am still skimming and thinking about the game in the meantime.
I also can appreciate this because due to my busy schedule I often have to go through big chunks of posts all at once that will change my mind on things drastically
I'm just not thinking Nacho would pull out the stuff he has here as scum. I just don't think he would choose to play that way.
In post 911, SirCakez wrote:Oh yeah Salsa. Where are they? I liked their early posts.
Something is pinging me on DC's recent posts but I can't quite explain it.
Nacho's Mom and Leaf cases are really good. I don't think I am interested in elimming anyone but one of those two right now.
In post 690, SirCakez wrote:why did Mom yell at me and then proceed to not generate any content?
Cuz you do things like this. It especially kills me cuz you took this exact same approach in shady. So far I've got s100% callout rate on your alignment. Isn't that interesting?
where did it all go so wrong guys?? I know you both end up on Nacho :C
(in response to page 38) How do we have 2-3 consensus scumreads who are scum (Leafeon + Momrangal + kind of NM but not really) and none get elimed lol. No but aside from complaining that's probably an important question to answer im curious. In a regular game without mafia having large numbers they were so dead, so who did something about it
In post 934, Disaster Cartel wrote:off the top of my head i can tell you that there was one read i thought felt towny from l+g (actually from beeboy which like, with his meta surprised me that he was that... idk the word, intuitive maybe despite not being around?), and early on i felt a lot of my thoughts aligning with vft as well, alongside a lack of ~bad vibes~ i generally get which made me feel good townbinning them, but i’ll reread both
the other two though don’t have... a lot of content thought to them, nm theory talk mostly for him and tone for salsa but i can provide more when i actually read their isos since they’re small
it’ll be a few hours so whenever i am around tonight i’ll give Thoughts. i’d honestly feel really bad if you were town and like, idk, didn’t get to interact with some good faith? maybe i’m assuming too much abt everyone’s reads on you but yeah
In post 940, Nachomamma8 wrote:who are my partners? who am I bussing? who do you townread and why?
You're scum with bulge and maybe DC, I don't know who else. I've talked about my TRs on kismet, VFT, L&G, and notsci is pretty obvtown too. My cakez read is really hard to explain but it feels like he believes in his pushes. Honestly I think me posting a lot of content would do more harm than good because there are like 5 people who need to catch up before we can really make progress here.
I guess you two happened (*>ω<) but yea someone is jumping thru hoops
pedit: Ah yeah i have read a game or two where Ydrasse displayed actually a lot of scum range but it was a while ago whereas my recent ones are like this
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:36 pm
by Morning Tweet
Would infinity reeeeallllyy defend misty/beeboy reeeeeeeeeeallllllllllllyyyyyy thoughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (944)
Plus that other stuff that was confbiasing me aka leafy hard tring infinity in 604
Shiiit im impressed if Infinity hard defends misty and pushes Nacho as scum
In post 963, Infinity 324 wrote:Nacho I'm not sure what to tell you, I'm not even just continuing to SR you for the same reasons from early on because you continue to post things that look scummy to me. It's just not worth it to go into that because you're not going to change my mind. I'm not exactly sure what scum!you is supposed to do if me/bork/notsci/VFT are all town, you tried to push VFT and it didn't take. And for everyone else, I don't know who you're bussing and not (though I have some ideas) and I'll figure it out when you flip scum. If you're town, I'm sorry and I'll re-evaluate my view of the game and heavily weight your reads because I know you're a good player and you'll be confirmed town to me then. I just don't see that happening atm.
You're not the first person to say this but it's not correct.
If I was scum here I would be pushing townies to die. People can disagree with me and I'd still push for townies to die because playing scum is all about cracking trust and breaking down townblocks. Like in Order of the Stick when I got edged out pretty harshly by a solid townblock I kept pushing at people like Wisdom even though it wasn't popular because you need to push mislynches to win as scum. Here ESPECIALLY I would only need to kill one townie in order to safehouse myself so I can guarantee that I would get that one townie lynched.
In post 3718, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm pretty sure VFT is town because skitt singlehandedly strongarmed the elim on mom yesterday. Since DC was likely the other option, there is some world where she's still scum with DC, but that seems very very unlikely to me still.
Okay i was gonna ask if Venus could be scum with Disaster then since strongarming mom wouldn't matter in that case
Why do you find this world unlikely? Or what *is* more likely, i suppose
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:37 pm
by Morning Tweet
Lol we're out of suspects so it could only be Disaster/Notsci or Disaster/me in that case
I am sort of swayed by bork hard TRing notsci and notsci interacting with Nacho not awkwardly in my opinion. Got a lot of game left to read though!
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:43 pm
by Infinity 324
It's mostly unlikely because there was a time when cakez and your slot were viable lim options earlier in the day and skitt wasn't pushing them. I also just...don't get why skitt would bus mom with so much passion. If she had to to win the game, maybe, but scum were comfortably in the lead. There were also some lilith/mena interactions that didn't look like scum theater to me.
I think notsci/DC is the most likely team here, I'm not happy about it but that's where I'm at I guess.
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:47 pm
by Infinity 324
I'm having a tough time integrating others' strong reads with my own, if I trusted bork's and skitt's reads on notsci and DC respectively it would leave me very lost so I'm just deciding to express what I think about the game as it looks to me
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:48 pm
by Infinity 324
Especially because bork's and skitt's solve both have me in them, so there's not a way to productively sheep them for me.
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:50 pm
by Morning Tweet
I'll vote Ydrasse for top of page 41 right here right now (no i wont)
Just hopping onto the bulge sr thing when he's bleeding which is like the first Ydrasse SR in memory besides the sort of faint one on Nacho which is same vein as this
It's also got a lot of more scary "i dont know how to explain", "im too dumb", "idk hows" with the even more frightening "no im not scum i town" to top it all off
like (/ω＼) im scared
pedit: Perhaps had DC been eliminated, today would have been a slam-dunk elim Mom and things would be way better for town? Basically just randomly theorizing though cause I do tend to take those kinds of strong townreads seriously
That is fair though it does sound unnecessary
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:53 pm
by Morning Tweet
bottom line right now is cakes is town
infinity seems like town
Notsci and venus i dont know. both seem to have positive things going for them but from what i can tell Leafeon/Momrangal/NM were all pretty easily scum so i expect at least one scumteam member to have done well for themself
and Disaster seems like scum
eeh?
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:56 pm
by Infinity 324
Me too, and since I fairly often have those townreads it frustrates me when others don't listen to them. But at this point (with skitt vouching for DC as well) I mostly just have to do so in order to play the game.
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 4:57 pm
by Infinity 324
Tweet what are the best reasons to TR a townie late game as scum?
i have not been in the mental state to play this game for a good three days now and my hydra partner has not been doing anything except for the bare minimum when i poke him
i kinda skimmed thread but i am not at all motivated to play
@salsa: i know you’re having health issues that are leaving you v/la but is there any reason you’ve been active on site everywhere but here over the past few days?
i think nm actively avoiding creating content and catching zero heat for it makes him very likely scum
~leaf
come onnn if you had to guess Leafeon/Infinity versus Leafeon/Disaster from these posts would you ever guess infinity
pedit: I would say i tend to hard townread whoever is at the least possible risk of being eliminated as scum while giving more wishy washy kinda nothing reads on everyone else. My only frame of reference for this is Zoey's Extraordinary mafia which was a rep-in like this, i was too afraid to put down more than 1 good townread
You could make the argument to townread strategically to manipulate people (like townread someone u wanna have on ur side) but thats not really me, i tend to play closer to the "try to look town / play as you would as town" which is bad for manipulating the game but good for survival. I would say trying to puppetmaster the game and forging reads is theoretically stronger but you also have to be stronger and i take the safer "come across as genuien then hope things fall into place" route.
So i would say i dont necessarily think you need a reason other than to townread a townie you think you would have townread naturally but that's a very passive answer
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:19 pm
by Morning Tweet
Of course! out of everyone my predecessor decides on SirCakes to vote lol. I had polar opposite reads to them last time I replaced them too though so no sweat. OH they switched to Disaster, plot twist
Spoiler: notsci and Disaster
In post 1092, Disaster Cartel wrote:this game is annoying and I can't be fucked so ydra is running our slot until I feel like playing again
In post 1110, Salsabil Faria wrote:Well, then why are you singling out Nachomamma8 only? Menalque (from Disaster Cartel) also has same Not_Mafia agenda, but don't understand why everyone is scumreading Nachomamma8 but not Menalque for this?
I also don't like when 2 heads of the same hydra have completely different pov, it's hard for me to sort them.
I was scumreading mena already? but for reasons other than/in addition to pushing NM elim. I talked about reasons I couldn’t understand nacho’s perspectives in the post you quoted; for mena it’s how similar he feels to panic room, I thought I mentioned this really early on as well.
In post 1092, Disaster Cartel wrote:this game is annoying and I can't be fucked so ydra is running our slot until I feel like playing again
-Mena
what’s “annoying” about it
you feel like you did in panic room with this whole “it’s not MY fault everyone is scumreading me, read me better!!1!1!1!” and then flouncing off without giving us a way to read you better.
- lilith
Cool story lili, go ahead and vote us then
-Mena
In post 1121, Venus Fly Trap wrote:my brain is exploding, sorry if I missed anything. @ me again etc etc
pedit: you’re literally just proving me right. how are people supposed to 1) read you as town if you’re town and not doing anything to help them get to the right read, and 2) not draw parallels between this and a recent scumgame?
In post 1121, Venus Fly Trap wrote:my brain is exploding, sorry if I missed anything. @ me again etc etc
pedit: you’re literally just proving me right. how are people supposed to 1) read you as town if you’re town and not doing anything to help them get to the right read, and 2) not draw parallels between this and a recent scumgame?
- lilith
Oh no, such scumhunt, wow
In post 1128, Disaster Cartel wrote:We quake in boots, ur talent so strong, u do such good job catching us!!!1!!1!1!!1!1!1
Ninja-
I can bring nacho to four I was going to ask for the hammer though. In townreading the whole wagon, do you disagree with either of those other two?
3/7 i think cause if Disaster is town Infinity should be in there [[he adds infinity on the next page so about 50% accuracy then]]
Dont ask how this is supposed to help im tired. I would say that it's somewhat unbelievable notsci scumreads every single one of his scumpartners in a pool of 5 then votes the one townie in the pool.
God does that make it intentional though? Scumread every single partner, kill that townie in the pool, then die down the line to anti-spew? Can a near perfect readslist into voting the only incorrect option even happen by chance on D1? That is pretty incredible
That would beg the question of why dont they kill off notsci, but I dont really know the context for the NKs yet. Leafeon was definitely agiven
Im not going to bother to comment on it but i do see more of the unlikely disaster/venus interactions now
In post 1301, fferyllt wrote:Nachomamma8 (5): Venus Fly Trap, Infinity 324, Kismet, notscience, SirCakez
yeah ok I'm extremely happy with this wagon composition
that is a hell of a wagon comp
Cakes simultaneously being sure peta's reaction to notsci is scum but still trusting venus/notsci on Nacho being scum makes me scream internally but also i dont think he woulda included the petapan comment as scum (1305)
Disaster is actually playing now aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:37 pm
by notscience
At one point I sat regardless of nacho flip peta died d2.
I’m v mad about it now.
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:38 pm
by notscience
I meant only town not only scum
Sorry words are hard
Basically I’m saying I can be both really good and fucking awful at the same time
In post 1398, notscience wrote:For the record maras near 95% scum with that and her not voting nacho when she had a scumread there is sketchy
yes
the thing with scum-nacho is that i think he's going to get harder to flip as time goes on; if we flip scum the people who'd be pushing him are gonna die
although thinking abt this more i'm not sure that this is inherently a problem. we only need 3/5, we don't need all. if we know who the rest of them are, it's not the worst thing in the world if we can't get nacho but we get the others
In post 1415, Disaster Cartel wrote:Nacho doesn’t seem to have been very capable of strong arming anything thus far and I don’t see why if u think he’s scum one person dying will make a huge difference to that D2
+seems like a price worth paying for being 1/3 of the way to winning
In post 1416, notscience wrote:Because it’s never going to be someone who thinks he’s town
Disaster was defending Nacho and suggesting killing the scum lords first sighhh. I mean granted already knew he was going to prefer the other elims over Nacho i suppose but damn why didnt this happen
pedit: Oh yea i read it that way actually
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:45 pm
by notscience
I’m not sure pleasant is how I’d describe mine and petas interactions on replace in
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:46 pm
by Infinity 324
3735 was a much longer answer than I was expecting. Hmm
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:49 pm
by Morning Tweet
In post 3744, notscience wrote:I’m not sure pleasant is how I’d describe mine and petas interactions on replace in
Pleasant relative to Disaster's interactions with you and venus, at least.
Still kinda finding it hard to come around to it being notsci though
Hard game. I'd still vote Disaster first
also @Infinity may i ask what the intent behind the question was now?
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:50 pm
by notscience
Oy towel boy
Let’s chat tomorrow. Do that skimming, come to Jesus, then let’s look at some flipped scum isos.
Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:53 pm
by Infinity 324
I wanted to see if you would imply you knew something about the current gamestate somehow, I'm not really sure why I thought my question would accomplish that though.