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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:51 pm
by mastina
In post 3627, furtiveglance wrote:Also your play this game is different to the cafe. You were posting more about other players in that game, this time it's more about defending yourself.
Factually false--I do have posts defending myself but no fucking shit, I got to L-1 at one point, I'm gonna have
some
defense of myself. (In Cafe, did I get wagoned at all? I don't think I ever did.)
But my posts aren't "more about" myself--over half are giving reasons for my townreads and reasons for my scumreads and pointing out why the scum are scum for their posts.
If I had to guess, about 30-40% are defending myself, and 80-95% are scumhunting. (Why does that add up to above 100%? Because turns out that whenever scum attack me, me defending myself is
inherently
me also attacking scum, by pointing out why their posts are false and specifically, from scum.)
In the scumhunting posts, you can't say my posting has been different without being disingenuous as fuck.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:54 pm
by mastina
In post 3632, Firebringer wrote:i think all mastina has is townreads and i don't even want to bother reading into them to figure out why they exist but uwnd is 100% correct that all mastina wants to do is interact with those people.
To repeat:
In post 3718, mastina wrote: In post 3288, unwnd wrote:It's not some secret ingredient that makes town better
the last multiball I played in we clean sweeped the scum
We sweeped them because scum had very little wriggle room and they simply got out-towned. Not in a spam post way more like a town had a clear directive and motivation. Things lined up in a way that was organic.
unwnd himself admitted that in a prior multiball game, a deadly townbloc was the key to making scum be locked out of the game.
Guess what we've got this game!
A deadly townbloc. Which with scum locked out of, means scum are going to get clean sweeped--the scum have little wriggle room.
Both the push on me, and the result on Past Present Future, are attempts to create wriggle room where there would otherwise be none, because they know they're getting out-towned otherwise.
Which is why unwnd is resorting to the very spam he derided.
unwnd himself literally admitted that the way town win in multiball is by forming a townbloc and locking scum out of it.
I have a VERY damn good townbloc.
Scum are locked out of it.
So yes, I am talking to the townbloc to make sure they see each other as town and are willing to work together--because by our powers combined, we basically can always force a scum elimination if we're on the same page and don't eliminate in the townbloc.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:55 pm
by mastina
Yes, MMR seems to be quite deliberately avoiding fullclaiming the specifics with an entire paraphrase of their role.
I wonder why?
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:59 pm
by mastina
In post 3644, furtiveglance wrote: In post 3639, mastina wrote:Not to me, and as I am the one who was thinking them, it is my opinion that matters, not yours.
There's a contradiction between actively scumreading a player and 'voting them for a lack of better votes' or whatever it is that you said.
I mean, sure.
But I wasn't actively scumreading.
I was scumreading.
Not actively scumreading.
I literally have already quoted the posts where I showed where Bunnyonce went the whole ringer in positions in my reads in that time period. From basically null to scum to less scum to more scum to "need to figure out", probably more.
My Bunnyonce read was always south of null, but always changed in strength, constantly and consistently.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, that read was "I dunno, in the PoE (south of null), but fucked if I know by how much", essentially. (I do have a post saying basically this, too lazy to track it down again tho.)
That's a scumread, but it ain't an active scumread.
I was not actively scumreading Bunnyonce.
I had a scumread on Bunnyonce.
I voted Bunnyonce as a compromise as the best option I had in the time crunch.
This is all obvious with--yaknow.
Basic fact checking.
But you're not interested in that, are you?
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:00 pm
by mastina
In post 3672, Yume wrote:So I couldn't find the exact post, but she said something along the lines that I am a threat because I become hyperfocused on whoever I scumread, and that she doesn't want to be on the receiving end of that hyperfocus.
Can confirm this!
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:03 pm
by MMR
In post 3727, mastina wrote:Yes, MMR seems to be quite deliberately avoiding fullclaiming the specifics with an entire paraphrase of their role.
I wonder why?
What do you think that we should do, then?
Each night, we target a player to see if they're VT or not. If they're not Town or our action doesn't go through, we get no result.
Though, I did forget one thing.
We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.
-Rubella
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:06 pm
by mastina
1: nothingness posting on D1 that was meant to look town without being town
2: Lazy reasoning on D1 that was not actually pushing anything pro-town and is easy to defend when shown wrong (in a scum-indicative way)
3: Picked up posting just after the MMR claim result, distracting from it
4: Has lied repeatedly about my posts, relying on people to not fact-check
5: Is doing the very things he said scum would do to try and break up a townbloc, when a townbloc formed
6: is outside the townbloc, in the PoE.
This isn't a complete list, either.
3711 shows a lot more, which I need to summarize like the above but is there.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:08 pm
by mastina
Yes, and so was I.
In post 3718, mastina wrote:My reads are what they are for damn good reason:
In post 2912, mastina wrote:DOUBLE-LOCKTOWN (role+play):
{MathBlade, Yume, T-Bone, Enchant}
LOCKTOWN (play):
{Save the Dragons/Ydrasse, Past Present Future, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow}
REMAINDER:
{Maid Cafe/Toogeloo}
{Scarfmanship}
SCUMREAD:
{furtiveglance}
{MMR}
{Frozen Angel, unwnd, Radical Rat}
I have explained my Yume read repeatedly. She is town by play and by her role and how she handled it.
I have explained my MathBlade read repeatedly. He is town by claim and by play, with his conviction, activity, and how he has shown actual progression in thought.
I have explained my T-Bone read: the nuance behind his thoughts and why I think that's town, along with his end-of-D1 posting hard-townslipping him.
Enchant has the same end-of-D1 posting, although I admit the trust in this being his townplay is largely reliant on others who said so, but I
think
they're right anyway.
StD/Ydrasse I've explained before about both being in town meta but I admittedly haven't elaborated on that.
Past Present Future I've explained extensively.
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is half-conftown and they are both insanely town by play; people who know Bella says this is her as town (admittedly I need to take their word for that), and Klick is town for his posting through and through.
None of my townreads are wrong.
And that leaves seven names for six scum, a solid PoE.
In of itself, that would be enough to condemn the names within.
You know why?
Let me quote why!
In post 3288, unwnd wrote:It's not some secret ingredient that makes town better
the last multiball I played in we clean sweeped the scum
We sweeped them because scum had very little wriggle room and they simply got out-towned. Not in a spam post way more like a town had a clear directive and motivation. Things lined up in a way that was organic.
unwnd himself admitted that in a prior multiball game, a deadly townbloc was the key to making scum be locked out of the game.
Guess what we've got this game!
A deadly townbloc. Which with scum locked out of, means scum are going to get clean sweeped--the scum have little wriggle room.
Both the push on me, and the result on Past Present Future, are attempts to create wriggle room where there would otherwise be none, because they know they're getting out-towned otherwise.
Which is why unwnd is resorting to the very spam he derided.
With my townbloc being what it is, there's seven slots for six scum.
That's a 6/7 chance of hitting scum.
In of itself, that would be reason enough; I wouldn't need more than that.
But of those seven names, I've explained my reads on all of them at various points.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:09 pm
by mastina
In post 3723, Firebringer wrote:you just explained a read in which is 90% role reasons and 10% just not in town block.
Why should anyone sheep that
Because role reasons are valid,
And not being in the townbloc is in of itself reason enough when being outside gives a 6/7 chance of being scum.
I have explained my scumreads;
I have explained my townreads;
With the PoE, just the explanation of the townreads would be enough;
With the explained scumreads, I wouldn't need to explain the townreads and why they lead to the PoE.
But I've done both so.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:11 pm
by mastina
In post 3730, MMR wrote:Each night, we target a player to see if they're VT or not. If they're not Town or our action doesn't go through, we get no result.
And you're claiming the name of your role is...what, exactly?
What is the name of your role?
As close as you can get paraphrasing to avoid the modkill, how is it formatted/phrased?
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:15 pm
by Scarfmanship
In post 3717, Firebringer wrote:
i am undecided if PPF is mafia. I don't like whatever posting and the few positions seen but none of that makes scum.
and this guilty thing interests me zero percent
What should interest you is PPF's reaction to being guiltied, and how they have behaved for the rest of the day. With a threat of dayvig looming and pressure to vote in the cc, PPF knows time is running out (avatar related pun intended). Let's compare how hydras bunny and PPF have reacted to imminent death.
Aisa dumps a scuffed reads list with plenty of missing parts and ???s, (2795), dumps greeting's POE (2977). Eager to get thoughts out there even if they are incomplete and half baked.
Nancy doesn't want to a reads list on other players because it will get shit on [3362], but they also don't want to say who is scum on mastina's wagon and would rather speak in vague terms [3376], and instead makes an easy omgus vote on unwnd [3698]. Ironically enough PPF tells math to look at other slots while refusing to do so themselves [3408], tells math to stop controlling the game [3468]
So much of PPF's iso this day is the same things repeated again and again,all of which are entirely self centered and do not read other players.
- mastina is town
- i would never kill prof
- people who oppose me are scum
- mathblade, please stop reminding people that there is a guilty on me
- i have a confirmable role as early as tomorrow*
*terms and conditions may apply
Compare this to how Titus apparently is going to make a reads list in the future, but nancy won't even post an inkling of information, because, uhhh, when nancy makes readslists nancy gets shit on? Why is getting shit on a concern to you when you are at death's door + you are already getting shit on? Why won't nancy even take the first step to making reads on other players when I asked who was scum on wagon? Why is nancy concerned about getting shit on if they have a role that is confirmable as early as tomorrow**?
** professional driver on closed course, do not attempt
Bunny knew they were dying soon and did their best to give all their information away, even though they had next to nothing. PPF is one of the top posters in the game and refuses to give anything away. I think the answer is that they know they are dying soon and don't want to give any information away. They will instead quote this post and make a snarky remark.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:42 pm
by T-Bone
In post 3730, MMR wrote: In post 3727, mastina wrote:Yes, MMR seems to be quite deliberately avoiding fullclaiming the specifics with an entire paraphrase of their role.
I wonder why?
What do you think that we should do, then?
Each night, we target a player to see if they're VT or not. If they're not Town or our action doesn't go through, we get no result.
Though, I did forget one thing.
We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.
-Rubella
You're not even voting PPF. So?
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:48 pm
by Scarfmanship
In post 3730, MMR wrote:We're informed that at least one of the scum has a role almost identical to us.
Ah yes, the mafia loyal neopolitan indeed
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:10 pm
by Toogeloo
Holy balls.
That's another 20 pages...
I
AIN'T
READING
Isn't this one of those post restriction games?
Some1sum^plz
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:07 pm
by Past Present Future
In post 3735, Scarfmanship wrote: In post 3717, Firebringer wrote:
i am undecided if PPF is mafia. I don't like whatever posting and the few positions seen but none of that makes scum.
and this guilty thing interests me zero percent
What should interest you is PPF's reaction to being guiltied, and how they have behaved for the rest of the day. With a threat of dayvig looming and pressure to vote in the cc, PPF knows time is running out (avatar related pun intended). Let's compare how hydras bunny and PPF have reacted to imminent death.
Aisa dumps a scuffed reads list with plenty of missing parts and ???s, (2795), dumps greeting's POE (2977). Eager to get thoughts out there even if they are incomplete and half baked.
Nancy doesn't want to a reads list on other players because it will get shit on [3362], but they also don't want to say who is scum on mastina's wagon and would rather speak in vague terms [3376], and instead makes an easy omgus vote on unwnd [3698]. Ironically enough PPF tells math to look at other slots while refusing to do so themselves [3408], tells math to stop controlling the game [3468]
So much of PPF's iso this day is the same things repeated again and again,all of which are entirely self centered and do not read other players.
- mastina is town
- i would never kill prof
- people who oppose me are scum
- mathblade, please stop reminding people that there is a guilty on me
- i have a confirmable role as early as tomorrow*
*terms and conditions may apply
Compare this to how Titus apparently is going to make a reads list in the future, but nancy won't even post an inkling of information, because, uhhh, when nancy makes readslists nancy gets shit on? Why is getting shit on a concern to you when you are at death's door + you are already getting shit on? Why won't nancy even take the first step to making reads on other players when I asked who was scum on wagon? Why is nancy concerned about getting shit on if they have a role that is confirmable as early as tomorrow**?
** professional driver on closed course, do not attempt
Bunny knew they were dying soon and did their best to give all their information away, even though they had next to nothing. PPF is one of the top posters in the game and refuses to give anything away. I think the answer is that they know they are dying soon and don't want to give any information away. They will instead quote this post and make a snarky remark.
You’re a trip, you have absolutely no freaking clue what you’re even talking about. Novel idea - which you will ignore because you probably aren’t town here but there’s plenty of people who know me a lot better than you and if you were actually town here, you’d actually consider listening to them.
I’m especially getting fed up with your 10 thousand and one posts telling me what I’m NOT thinking. I realize that you want to miselim me really really badly. None of it makes any of this garbage you keep spewing true.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:39 am
by Enchant
wdm day still didn't end?
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:31 am
by Enchant
I think it implies Mastina, who get innocents from VTs, ATTUNEMENTS from PRs and Scum.
So... Yep.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:32 am
by Enchant
Idk i building it out of nowhere, buf it fits so well.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:43 am
by Scarfmanship
Well then MMR should really be voting mastina or PPF then. There's 3 people in there, tf is that slot doing.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:46 am
by Toogeloo
I bit the bullet and read the past 20 pages...
Nothing has changed sans some anti-mastina revolution started. People need to stop repeating themselves.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:07 am
by MathBlade
This.
People should really take a stance on MMR/PPF if they aren’t willing to elim so I know where people want to shoot at bare minimum
But we should be elimming one of them.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:07 am
by Ydrasse
wat is ppf role
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:08 am
by MathBlade
“Something confirmable tomorrow pretty please don’t elim me” is the official title I think
(This is a joke. They haven’t claimed but they’ve said this)
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:11 am
by Ydrasse
I’m rolefishing now but that sounds like not a good response to loyal neowhwyeber
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:15 am
by MathBlade
In post 3748, Ydrasse wrote:I’m rolefishing now but that sounds like not a good response to loyal neowhwyeber
Yeah neither is MMR not voting for PPF
It’s why I wanna elim one and vig the other.