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[elvis_knits]

... I think I am.

Incog was town. I think millar looks townish for pulling fake hammer.

Although, later voting Sajin does sort of mess with the theory, as Claus pointed out. I can't think of one good reason either way for him to do that actually. If he faked the hammer, it would imply he doesn't want sajin dead, so why vote him? If he messed up the hammer, then tried to cover by saying he faked it, why vote later?

[elvis_knits]

If people don't believe it was a hammer bluff, then you can all vote for me and I will hammer myself.

Will it be a fake hammer?

Also, why did you vote sajin later after the fake hammer? Do you think he's scum? If so, why fake the hammer?

[Tenchi]

Camn, fishing is a nulltell.

No.

If you see a PR tell, I think the best way to deal with it is to keep it to yourself, and use it to eliminate or cross-check suspects. Crying loud about it is only useful when somebody is about to get lynched and THEY claim, hence you support him/her on that or counterclaim it.

[Tenchi]

If people don't believe it was a hammer bluff, then you can all vote for me and I will hammer myself.

Millar: Briefly can you tell me what you learned from that hammer bluff.

[Tenchi]

If people don't believe it was a hammer bluff, then you can all vote for me and I will hammer myself.

Will it be a fake hammer?

Also, why did you vote sajin later after the fake hammer? Do you think he's scum? If so, why fake the hammer?

You are forgetting one thing here: Millar could be town, he faked the hammer to get info (from what I understand on how the gambit works) on Millar's buddies or whatever, and he confirmed that Sajin could be scum. In your question, you seem to be implying that Millar faked the hammer to save somebody whom he thought was scummy.

I want to hear what Millar "got" from that gambit.

[camn]

Alright, look.
@ Elvis,
and Millar.. dispute this if you want to live.

Post 161,
Millar drops the fake-hammer
164, he buddies up with zwet.
168, he SIMULPOSTS with the vote count, and buddies up with zwet.
171, after Seraphim unvotes, millar CLAIMS THE HAMMER HAPPENED.

Seraphim the hammer has already occured...an unvote now is surely useless/

Now, watch closely...
Post 173

LMAO: I really wanted to do that. I didn't unvote, as my vote is still on you ZWET! I don't actually think the Sajin is scum....but you were desperate for the lynch.

FOS: ZWET

Millar stops buddying up with Zwet, claims gambit.

In 176, Millar implies he caught ZWET out....

Best thing about a bluff, is when you catch the person you wanted too out.

My question to you two..
What did the "gambit" gain?

From where I am sitting, nothing.
Between 161 and 176, NOTHING was revealed, except Seraphim's conservative nature.

Thus, Millar is lying about it being a gambit. And if it was, what was he intending to see?
That Zwet is bloodthisty? That is no mystery.
Incog's gambit actually worked.... this one is not a gambit at all, but a stumbling retraction of a hasty move.

Millar, explain yourself

. And don't say anything dumb, or I will vote you.

[elvis_knits]

I really meant to say that I thought he faked the hammer to save someone he thought was town.

If he faked the hammer to save someone he thought was scum, I would assume that he's scum.

[camn]

Save who? sajin?

What if shaft.ed had counted the vote?

Millar... how would your "gambit" have worked out then? If the thread was locked and sajin was dead?

(and EK, don't mention that other game... let Millar answer!)

[Claus]

If people don't believe it was a hammer bluff, then you can all vote for me and I will hammer myself.

I'm fine with that.

A better idea yet would be if you could give us two lines on each player in the game on your way out. How about that?

[Tenchi]

I really meant to say that I thought he faked the hammer to save someone he thought was town.

If he faked the hammer to save someone he thought was scum, I would assume that he's scum.

Hmmm... which brings me back to what Camn is asking of Millar right now.

[LlamaFluff]

Ok, school was pretty brutal over the last few days, but seriously… did you guys have to put up 7 pages a day? I feel more like im replacing in then anything else now.

The fakehammer situation was just weird. First I don’t really understand, apart from a “not Nasubi” claim what made him a better lynch then millar. There was the interpretation of camns quote, but I read that as a three mafia presumption myself. What I don’t get is why millar faked hammering in order to FoS zwet.

The fakehammer changed nothing about the fact that sajn was at L-1, and that zwet had put him there. He goes on to claim to of caught zwet somehow by doing that. If the reverse order of votes had occurred I may be in agreement, but not in this situation.

Later he seems to contradict the fact that zwet is scum and sajin is town by moving his vote to sajin for what appears to be nothing more than self-preservation.

Over the next few pages the sudden disappearance of everything millar-scum related does not sit well. I also still have a hard time with the sajin wagon past the “not nasubi”. This whole continuing camn-sajin thing is very annoying, since I am pretty sure camn is town, and neutral to leaning town on sanjin.

Now comes millar trying to give an explaination for his bluff-hammer. He says it makes zwet scum given that he was not upset with him. If you go back though after one joke post about it being a fast day, zwet is asking about the quick hammer. This to me does not really fit “overjoyed”.

Zwet is now being his confusing self with thinking he found a secret role claim that can mean whatever you interpret it to be. That line is so confusing I just don’t see how you can come up with it without leaving the computer in the middle of a sentence to get drunk then coming back later to finish it up.

Millar now starts saying the hammer was to get a reaction from zwet which was a push on millar which makes millar think that zwet is town, but also the player that zwet quick wagoned and millar fake hammered which if this goes on much longer will cause the universe to rip in two given how much bad logic is right here.

I think im about caught up. Millar needs to die about five pages ago at the latest.

[populartajo]

Votecount plz.

[Sajin]

Farside and Seraphim have some on answered questions.

Also, Zwet, care to explain that quote of yours? Or are you still not bringing the arguement to the table? Your last arguement came from nowhere and was not founded in the text at all. This one is probably the same.

Lastly, can we get a votecount?

[shaft.ed]

Nasubi writes in his diary apparently oblivious to your goings on.

Vote Count:

Sajin

(4) farside22, Stephoscope, millar13, zwetschenwasser

millar13

(3) Claus, Llamafluff, DrippingGoofball

zwetschenwasser

(2) Sajin, elvis_knits

elvis_knits

(2) populartajo, Seraphim

Not Voting:

camn, Tenchi

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or No Lynch

Really sorry about the vote count, got too wrapped up in reading along to remember my job. If that should happen again, please let me know sooner.

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote : millar.

[populartajo]

The Sajin wagon is a joke. Until now nobody has given me any reason why he was just about to be lynched.

[DrippingGoofball]

The Sajin wagon is a joke. Until now nobody has given me any reason why he was just about to be lynched.

You're so town.

[populartajo]

The Sajin wagon is a joke. Until now nobody has given me any reason why he was just about to be lynched.

You're so town.

Last two times you said that you were scum, DGB...

[DrippingGoofball]

The Sajin wagon is a joke. Until now nobody has given me any reason why he was just about to be lynched.

You're so town.

Last two times you said that you were scum, DGB...

And you were so town in those games, too. I couldn't believe anyone suspected you... let alone lynch you.

[camn]

Vote Millar

Start answering, my friend.

[Seraphim]

There were questions aimed towards me? Could someone please restate them? I have a major sinus headache right now and recall there being questions but not exactly what they were. I am willing to explain the elvis_knits vote, however. Just not now...let the painkillers kick in and then we'll talk.

[Tenchi]

There were questions aimed towards me? Could someone please restate them? I have a major sinus headache right now and recall there being questions but not exactly what they were. I am willing to explain the elvis_knits vote, however. Just not now...let the painkillers kick in and then we'll talk.

You have been "known" for voting without reasons. I think you owe us the explanation to your three last votes. Also, you were on the Sajin wagon.

Get well soon.

[millar13]

Seraphim - hypocrite

[camn]

Seraphim - hypocrite

That is no answer to my questions.
Are you trying to get lynched?

[millar13]

Man I think I should actually read game posts, rather than skipping and posting random messages. Who is on my town team again?