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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:31 pm

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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:34 am

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cateraction wrote:The way Jason flipped and the fact that one of us didn't die over night makes me willing to consider Nacho as scum.
Can you go a little more into detail on this, cat? Specifically, I'd like to know how you both staying alive means that you're thinking Nacho's more likely to be Scum.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:32 pm

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Hi all, hope you had good weekends and good Turkey Days.

@AlmasterGM-
He was a skitzo, which is a role that does a random effect on his target (usually kill/investigate/protect). He may have been told that he is a roleblocker when he actually isn't. We have at least some bastard modding going on. Given his stated suspicions, it is probable that he targeted (and killed) SB.

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We should consider mass claiming. I'll start with myself. We are probably in Lylo, so everyone be careful with your votes.

-I am Ben Skywalker, and I am a Name/Title cop. I learn my target's Name and get a title for their Role.

N1: I targeted AlmasterGM and learned he was Tahiri, a Skitzo, and a Possible Recruit. Note this was NOT revealed on his death, which is evidence of possible bastard modding. Almaster may have known he was a Skitzo, or thought he was a roleblocker. From MM clarification, a Possible Recruit means he was not yet recruited.

I think he was trying to get the mafia to recruit him last night. He dropped a major hints, but it appears the mafia didn't recruit him. This suggests that mafia either did not notice or must choose between killing OR recruiting.

I did not to reveal D2 because it would alert Jacen to his Potential Recruit's identity and because it would be a stupid to reveal myself as a cop and just to lynch a Potential Recruit while the Recruit was still a townie. Being a town cop and explicitly a member of the Galactic Alliance, I was more disinclined to trust the Thrackan Sal-Solo claim. I am curious to hear the flavor reasons for his alignment once this game is over, and I suspect more bastard modding in the flavor.

N2: I targeted Cateraction. He is Han Solo, a Survivor, and a Neighbor with Boba Fett. I don't learn affiliation, so it is possible Han Solo is town or scum. Since we know Lumiya was mafia with an additional win con (Lyncher), it seems probable that we have two 2 man mafias whose individual members have additional win cons to balance.

My guess is that Jacen Solo is the remaining Sith mafia (one of Bogre/d3x/Phantom). Han Solo (Cateraction) + Boba Fett (NM8) are either a second mafia or a third-party unaligned with town. One of our remaining townies is obviously Jaina Solo (one of Bogre, d3x, or Phantom) and there should be one more townie.

I would guess that N1, Almaster RBed NM8 (assuming his Skitzo power is capable of RBing), Sith mafia failed at recruiting instead of killing, and if Jaina is an Enabled Vig, then Zekk may not have enabled her.

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Town needs to eliminate Jacen, Boba Fett, and Han Solo. Our best course of action depends on whether we still have a Vig on our side (if Jaina was an Enabled Vig, then the dead enabler makes this tough).

If we have a Vig, then we should try to narrow down and lynch Jacen today to stop him from NKing, then our Vig can kill Boba Fett tonight and we lynch the Survivor (Han Solo) if the game doesn't end.

If we don't have a Vig, then we either lynch Boba Fett (potentially Han Solo as a Survivor may be able to win with Town) or no lynch. Scum would be in a prisoner's dilemma and we would rely on the cross kill for best shot at a town win.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:01 pm

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My question:

Why didn't you wait to reveal your investigations? You've lost the opportunity to catch scum fakeclaiming. Among other things...it would have been good to keep your cards close to your chest for a bit longer.

Anyways, I think your analysis is pretty good. Definitely need to lynch the last mafia, or Boba Fett. (Who I imagine could be an SK?). A survivor's win condition generally doesn't mean a loss for the other winning faction, so keeping him alive until the end is probably the best bet.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:02 pm

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@Bogre-
Given that NM8 and Cateraction claimed a need to kill a confirmed town cop and that Cat has an additional win con, I'm pretty confidant that they are threats to the town. There's really no point in forcing either of them to "prove" their names; if they lied, then we should lynch, if they told the truth, we should still lynch.

What matters more for town is to figure out whether we should lynch NM8 today or try to find Jacen and lynch him today. If we have an active town Vig, then our best bet is to lynch Jacen. Focusing on NM8 and Cat would be an unnecessary distraction.

If we don't have an active town Vig, it would probably still be good to ID Jacen so we can force the cross kill tonight. Even if Cat is unable to find and kill Jacen, town will be better prepared to identify and lynch the real Jacen (especially if we catch him in a CC today).
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:11 am

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I have no powers and it was not explicitly a win-con for me to kill Thracken. It was just mentioned that I should. I thought that meant he was anti-town.
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:32 am

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Thracken might have been recruitable...could explain that suggestion.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:00 pm

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I'll go next.

I'm Boba Fett, as you might've realized. I am the Judas as well; as in, if I am lynched, I change alignment to the Mafia's side. I win with whatever side I'm aligned with. Before posting this, I considered fake confessing to Cat that I was scum and was willing to work with you and get you lynched, but then you provide the problem of crosskilling. Since you basically just called me a second mafia, the mafia's most likely to NK me. And if we're in LyLo, then I would lose.

With that being said, I find a few problems with Kast's analysis.
1) I'm still of the line of thought that THREE town cops is an improbable combo, especially with one trying to destroy the Galactic Alliance, and the other a member of it.

2) Secondly, Possible Recruit is strange to me. Forgive me for my stupidity, but wouldn't every town aligned member be a possible recruit? Because a mafia with the ability to recruit a single person seems a little underpowered to me plus a win condition seems a bit underpowered to me.

3) Thirdly, your post reeks of coaching. You're practically handing out a safeclaim to your scumbuddy, ("Jaina is obviously a townie", "If Jaina was an Enabled Vig)...

If you truly believed that Jaina was in the game, then why wouldn't you call for a nameclaim first and waited for Jaina to pop out? It wouldn't be too far of a stretch for Jacen to claim Jaina, and then we could've possibly had a counterclaim + another scum death.

4) You also suggest that's it's highly probable that we have two two-man mafias, and you also suggest me to be third party, plus a Survivor Han Solo. That is 6/12 anti-town roles, and 2 with killing power. 1 townie was modkilled, 1 mafia was lynched, and 4 townies were killed. This leaves 5 anti-towns, and 1 actual townie. It also leaves a possible of two mafia kills, and a one extra vig kill. All it woulld take is for one of those kills to hit, and there is no more town.

Later, you contridict yourself by saying Jaina and one other townie is in the game. There is no possible way for those two things to link together. Explain?

5) If Han Solo is a Survivor, then he's self aligned. That's how it is in the wiki, at lest. What would make you think any different?

6) We've had several power roles, and most seem to hurt town, or at least have a catch. Jason was an unconfirmed sanity cop who was a person who was noted as “evil“ or “deranged“ in two role PMs, we most likely have a power role that requires an Enabler to work, one thought he was a roleblocker and probably wasn’t, and Luke Skywalker, our only GOOD power role, had a mafia lyncher on his tail. And then, for the grand finale, we have a Judas. Now, we have a guy claiming to be Luke’s brother that is a Name/Title Cop. Conveniently enough, he tells us this when we’re most likely in LyLo (he reminds us of this) and we can’t confirm his innocence without losing the game.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:12 pm

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Luke's son.

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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:55 am

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@NM8-
You fail at reading and analysis.
-NM8 and Cat are either mafia together, or a pair of independents who are not town aligned.
-Survivor means the player needs to be alive at the end of the game to win. It can be part of a town, mafia, or independent role.
-A Potential Recruit obviously implies that not everyone can be recruited. This fits with flavor and isn't a difficult concept to understand.
-There is no possible reason for Jacen to claim Jaina. Right now Jacen's biggest threat is the NM8/Cat mafia team NKing him. Forcing a CC is suicide. Your proposal that he would do this is scummy.
-Your Judas role claim sounds like a botched false claim. The claim suggests we should lynch you anyway. If you are lying, we should lynch you.

If you are telling the truth, then Cat is either town or independent who can win with town. This means we enter N3 with 1 confirmed mafia (NM8), 1 hidden mafia (Jacen), 3 town, and Cat. D4 we lynch the confirmed mafia. At worst, we enter N4 with 2 town, 1 mafia, 1 survivor. At best, we catch Jacen after the claims.

-Your Judas role claim sounds like a botched false claim. Your claim would mean this game began with a 2 man Sith Mafia and a townie who knows the identity of one of those two Sith Mafia members AND can mod confirm his information. At least 2 if not 3 townie vigs. At least 2 if not three townie cops. A townie doctor. Potentially other town PRs. I don't believe it.

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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:39 pm

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Something's not sitting too well with me right now. We had 3 to 4 NKs {depending on S_B's death}. We have claims from 3 players that they don't have NKs. I know I don't have an NK ability, so that leaves PHANTOM and Bogre. Unless they
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:17 pm

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Well, I was waiting to see if anyone had claimed a nightkill last night. Anyways, I am claiming now that I did kill someone last night. I'm not sure if I should actually claim my entire role, so I'll wait to see if anyone has any thoughts.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:05 am

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And I do not have a nightkill.

So there we go. And I think you should claim, since you're pretty likely to be scum.

@Dex. It's more important to find the sithscum at this point than killing someone we have a finger on.

BTW, Nacho, who did you kill last night?
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:13 am

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@Bogre-
While it's pretty likely that NM8 is a killer (SK or second mafia), he didn't actually claim to have a kill. Another point suggesting he is making a botched false claim.

@Phantom-
You need to claim whether you are a one-shot vig or whether you can kill scum tonight. You should also probably claim more to help us determine whether you are actually Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus.
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:47 am

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I think Kast has this game nailed.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:21 pm

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Kast wrote:@Bogre-
While it's pretty likely that NM8 is a killer (SK or second mafia), he didn't actually claim to have a kill. Another point suggesting he is making a botched false claim.
Which is why I asked. :)
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:21 pm

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Phantom, who did you kill?
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:28 am

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@NM8-
Way to not answer Bogre's question...

Did you kill anyone last night? If so, who and why?
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:17 pm

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I'm a one-shot vig and I killed Snow_Bunny, which my role really sucks now if you get what I mean...
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:06 am

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Can we have our massclaim before i say what I'm about to say? D3x and Bogre are the only ones who haven't claimed yet.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:46 pm

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With 6 alive, 4 to lynch
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:54 pm

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By the way, the deadline is in 2 days.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:33 pm

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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:07 am

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Alright, to get the ball rolling:

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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:07 am

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Prod received.

With Bogre/d3x/Phantom all claiming to not be able to kill, it looks like our best bet is lynching NM8.

If it turns out he is mafia and not an SK, then the Sith mafia will know they have to kill Cat. If Cat doesn't successfully cross-kill the Sith mafia member, it should narrow things down so the surviving townies can hopefully find Jacen.

If he is an SK, then Cat would be either a town or independent survivor. I will probably be NKed to prevent investigation confirming a townie or catching Jacen. In that event good luck guys.

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I suggest saying whatever you have to say quickly. I assume you are hoping to draw information on who is Jacen so Cat has better odds of killing Jacen (which is good for town), but that definitely should not be at the expense of successfully lynching scum today.
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