Fate, DGB /outed before the game started. That ruins your conspiracy theory.
I can barely keep my eyes open right now, but I owe it to my other head to pick up the slack. MWAHAHAHAHA, WALL POST TIME! (Posting this in two chunks.)
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Furcolow, what made you decide to ward El Goosuki? Also, did you get a PM after sending in your action?
Eek. I wrote a huge post defending Furc, but then I noticed that Percy mod-confirming that an action on a player not in the game would default to Cower. So now I'm totally confused. I'm getting a strong gut town read from him, too. Also, wouldn't the Drippereth/El Goosuki discrepancy make just as little sense were he a cultist who'd targeted Drippereth with Craft Fetish?
Mod: would targeting an account belonging to a player in the game work even if it wasn't the account in the player list? Also, would you inform someone if he targeted a player not in the game
?)
But anyway, here's what I'd written before noticing that. Some of the reasoning is still relevant:
Apparently, this is one of those towns where everyone's super-paranoid about sharing their town reads so as not to help scum with their nightkill, so I won't go into all of mine, but to those still voting Furc...come
on
. Him being a cultist implies a level of sophistication and calculation that he hasn't demonstrated in the thread. Let's break this down:
-Furc claimed to have warded someone.
-He is then surprised he didn't hear noise, and comes up with outlandish conspiracy theories as to why it didn't work. So clearly, he thought that players were SUPPOSED to hear noise after warding.
-Instantly, Percy/Vi comes forward and says there was a mistake in the rules.
-Furc then says, totally nonchalantly, that he tried to target Drippereth, and comes up with a ridiculous theory that his target was redirected in alphabetical order, because it DIDN'T EVEN OCCUR TO HIM that there was a connection between him warding Drippereth and El Goosuki being warded.
-El Goosuki confirms he heard noise, resulting in it being close to confirmed that Furc warded Elli, which is a suboptimal move for a cultist who could have got away with Searching. (Also, the more expendable cultists--read: someone likely to be policy lynched--are more likely to be sent out to craft fetishes rather than perform "townish" looking actions.)
-He then acts with total confidence that he's confirmed town, tries to lead the town, and spams the thread with harebrained plans.
Even though I disagree with 90% of everything Furcolow's said so far, he's soooooo easy to read. I doubt he'd be this active and confident and free were he actually scum. Again...have you guys read a single post Furcolow has written all game? If he were that much of a Machiavellian schemer, his ideas wouldn't be so outlandish in the first place.
I tend toward paranoid conspiracy theories, and yet Cultist!Furcolow is paranoid even for me. And it's important to establish that Furcolow should not be lynched unless something major happens, because it's happened to me several times that I bring up strong evidence in favour of a VI, and then after my death everyone ignores it and lynches the VI anyway.
Also, I think it's much scummier to subtly discredit someone's "confirmed" status than try to confirm oneself. Magna/xvart/VP Baltar/AurorusVox/kunkstar, I'm looking straight in your direction.
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Hi Mina - I only posted the wards for the people who claimed them. Baby Spice also did not claim her ward target. At the time (and even now) I didn't know if claiming the ward target is in the town's best interest. I have no problem claiming my ward target. I do think we should come to a consensus about warding targets, but I'll defer to the setup freaks in the room on this one.
Saying you're waiting on the "set-up wizards" is a huge cop-out, particularly when half the people have already revealed their ward target and there's been extensive discussion as to the merits of Ward claiming (in which most of the set-up wizards voted affirmative). You don't have a single reason of
your own
for why you don't want to reveal your target? You're just delaying your claim and using the "set-up wizards" as a crutch? No thoughts on what the pros and cons are?
This reads like fence-sitting.
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Speaking of fence-sitting, I've found hito's recent contribution very townish, but his first two posts bothered me in the same way xvart's posts bug me now:
I would appreciate if someone who has played in at least one previous Stars Aligned game would weigh in on the merits of noise-claiming versus not. We know that people who didn't hear noise today won't die tonight, but it also gives the cultists information and I'm not entirely convinced it's in our favor to claim noise. If a player heard noise and WASN'T targeted by cultists, cultists know they were either warded or stalked (or warded someone else.) The benefit to town seems smaller than this, and so
I'm leaning towards saying we shouldn't claim noise.
For the record, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't noise claim.
I'm just pointing out that there ARE negatives to noiseclaiming. There are positives as well, and they could well outweigh the bad stuff. That's why I'd like to hear from someone who's played Stars Aligned before. But with ReaperCharlie's first post being "I HEARD NOISE", I'm worried that people think there are no negatives.
hito, can you explain this? First you say you believe we
shouldn't
noise-claim. Then you change tunes and say we should probably massclaim, but you just wanted to helpfully inform us of its pitfalls. What caused this discrepancy?
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I haven't been enamoured of the Seacore wagon (having seen him as bumbling town in AGoT Mafia). That said...
Seacore wrote:I like the case on furcolow, I must have missed the case on Fate, so I'll revisit.
Um...why do you like the case on him?
You don't follow up on the Furcolow case once after this. It looks like easy wagoning.
Seacore wrote:Either way, you've behaved incredibly anti-town and, assuming nobody digs themselves in deeper, I'd be happy to see you hang for it.
Please elaborate on this.
Do you realize that the antitown action Benmage ostensibly committed--stalking Fate--could have only happened IF BENMAGE IS TOWN?
Do you think Benmage is scum or just a townie playing badly? What do you think his scum motivation is for playing this way?
smileys. But anyway, answers to his questions.