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@Kdub: With "agressive" you mean insistent, right? Because else I must have missed something.

@4nx: I was just asking because you did not mention me outside of that little "tone" comment, and everything you say has been very vague so far. Expressions like "tone" and "vibes" do not do terribly much to explain your reads.

Ok, recent activity shows me that PeregrineV has made a full page of posts all over site but is dodging this thread and answering what is needed from him.

I can't stand that.

UNVOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: PeregrineV

hey guys, just a quick note: i am V/LA until Monday for the weekend.
didn't go into work today so i am posting from my phone (out at the store where i actually can get a signal/connection)

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Ok, recent activity shows me that PeregrineV has made a full page of posts all over site but is dodging this thread and answering what is needed from him.

I can't stand that.

UNVOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: PeregrineV

Why him over me?

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Ok, recent activity shows me that PeregrineV has made a full page of posts all over site but is dodging this thread and answering what is needed from him.

I can't stand that.

UNVOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: PeregrineV

And reading of that recent activity would indicate that I am catching up thread by thread, and then attempting to stay caught up.

But, keep trying.

and yeah, there's more.

↑ BBmolla wrote:Peregrine, do you have a seperate role name and role?

Example: "Boba Fett, the cop" or just "Boba Fett"
Because mine is the latter, but your quote indicates it should be the former which is why I'm so confused.

Let's start with this.

I have a role name.

Now, why do you want to make sure that we know you are Yoda? Given mod rule #4, help me understand the mentality of breadcrumbing ANYTHING.

You can do this by convincing me that had you had the role DARTH VADER, you would have bread-crumbed it also.

↑ DeathNote wrote:

GAME SPECIFIC RULES

4.) Flavor-

Obviously this game is based on the theme Star Wars but this game is not based on a specific movie.

With that said, any character is available as a role from films 1-6 and no character is indicative of alignment. Darth Vader could be town!

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:[...]Went back and looked. WrathChild is 2nd tier right now.

Unvote.
Vote: Fennin

I don't like people just throwing names around... Doesn't offer much of a read and looks a lot like alibi posting (Hey, look, I don't explain them but I

have

reads!)

I think I can agree on a

FoS Per

by now. I find his posting irritatingly non-yielding for quite a while now... (not that I could remember a lot of what he's posted, but that alone is pretty telling I guess)

I explained them in the first pages that are archived. Go read them.

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

And what exactly do you expect?! A full claim? Stop the role fishing.

I think I made it clear in the post above.
I look forward to your colonoscopy of BBMolla for this

↑ BBmolla wrote:Peregrine, do you have a seperate role name and role?

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:@MoI- http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yq9rosqj023zbcq

Anything more than that and you'll have to wait until I can open 4 browsers at once. Otherwise, you can go and see me and WrathChild sniping at each other, and my Midnight diagnosis.

??! What would you need 4 browsers for?! Actually... What?! The?! Heck?!?! are you even talking about?!

1. Chrome to go to the website.
2. Unzip software (technically a window, but meh)
3. IE window because I can't get the archive to open/work in Chrome
4. Chrome for the current game thread.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

BBMolla wrote: Peregrine, do you have a seperate role name and role?

@Peregrine

– You need to answer this in your next post!

Shadow will be dancing on your ass for this. Stop the rolefishing!

Done with quoting.

@WrathChild- Nice ISO of me. Second tier means that the early scumbells you caused to clang aren;t as loud now as they were ealier in the day. But, others disagree with me.

@Slandaar- Why am I more "obvious" than anyone else? Wrathchild for instance?

@Schmugen- 334 (Look over WC case) 336 (Slandaar vote). Explain please.

@Wrath 366- MoI has been grumbling for pages. You are not "the first".

@Briz- Can you sum up WC's case? In your own words.

@Shadow (371)- You seem to indicate that Slandaar is scummy, but so am I? Are we scum together?

Oh that's right, PV is rolefishing this game, I forgot.

↑ BBmolla wrote:He breadcrumbed his role name, not his role. Why would you breadcrumb your role name and not your role?

What was the point of this question if you only have a role name?

↑ BBmolla wrote:Oh that's right, PV is rolefishing this game, I forgot.

And this is in response too....?

Oh yeah, and this too:

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

Now, why do you want to make sure that we know you are Yoda?

Given mod rule #4, help me understand the mentality of breadcrumbing ANYTHING.

You can do this by convincing me that had you had the role DARTH VADER, you would have bread-crumbed it also.

↑ DeathNote wrote:

GAME SPECIFIC RULES

4.) Flavor-

Obviously this game is based on the theme Star Wars but this game is not based on a specific movie.

With that said, any character is available as a role from films 1-6 and no character is indicative of alignment. Darth Vader could be town!

↑ BBmolla wrote:

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Ok, recent activity shows me that PeregrineV has made a full page of posts all over site but is dodging this thread and answering what is needed from him.

I can't stand that.

UNVOTE: WrathChild
VOTE: PeregrineV

Why him over me?

And I answered that.

↑ BBmolla wrote:I know why but I'd have to fullclaim all my powers. And it'd defeat the purpose of his plan.

Now, do you want to rolefish and have me tell you, or will you stop being anti-town and move on?

You probably have screwed it up already tbh. Congrats.

VOTE: PeregrineV

His rolefishing is fake scumhunting, there is no town reason to pursue that thing specifically this much.

Vote Count

WrathChild

- Kdub, ooba (L-9)

PeregrineV

- WrathChild, Slandaar, MagnaofIllusion, BBmolla (L-7)

BBmolla

- PeregrineV (L-10)

Elmo Teh Azn

- NeroCain (L-10)

ooba-

splitfarvle (L-10)

Slandaar

- shmugen, Shadow Dancer, Sword_of_omens (L-8)

Shadow Dancer

- 4nxi3ty (L-10)

splitfarvle

- brizingre1 (L-10)

With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch.

↑ BBmolla wrote:VOTE: PeregrineV

His rolefishing is fake scumhunting, there is no town reason to pursue that thing specifically this much.

I'll say it again. In a theme game, certain characters have connotations of good and bad. The mod even says that even though a character is good or bad in the star wars universe, it has no bearing on their alignment this game.

However, despite that, Fenrin breadcrumbed Yoda, who is a good guy in the star wars universe.

Given that the mod stated that a characters goodness/badness in the star wars universe is not relevant to this game, what is the town motivation to breadcrumb?
What is the scum motivation?

Now, I will answer.

The town motivation is none, since your claim will be believed or disbelieved on the merits of your play at the time you actually make the claim.

The scum motivation is that because the character is a good guy in the star wars universe, you will breadcrumb the good guy role in the hopes that come claim time, you can point back and say, "see, I'm Yoda, a good guy! I hinted back in post 1!" hoping that that will weigh more in the mind of the audience than the mod's admonition that it has no bearing on alignment in this game.

Does this make sense? If not, explain how you are confused and I will try and clear it up for you.

↑ Shadow Dancer wrote:@Kdub: With "agressive" you mean insistent, right? Because else I must have missed something.

I don't think "aggressive" is an inaccurate description. Look at his posts toward Slandaar, for example. The point is that whatever you want to call it, it's consistent with what I've seen of MoI when he is town.

Anyway, what I was going to say about Peregrine and the supposed slip was that I didn't think it was a slip at all. It's entirely believable that when he talked about breadcrumbing a role (as opposed to role name), he was referring to whatever role the given abilities of a particular player indicated, even if it wasn't explicitly given in the role PM. For example, if BB is Yoda and his role PM abilities clearly indicate that he is a standard cop, then it's reasonable to breadcrumb cop even if the word doesn't appear anywhere in the PM. I thought this was a fairly weak reason for Slandaar to change his vote.

But, with that being said, Peregrine's insistence on focusing on the Yoda breadcrumb is itself poor, and his last few posts strike a bad chord with me. If Peregrine is town and suspects Fennin/BB, then he is pushing the weakest reason why he might be scum. I don't think this would be the case if he were scum pushing for a mislynch. I think Peregrine-scum+BB-town is unlikely, but other combinations are possible.

Peregrine, aside from the breadcrumb thing, what do you think about the rest of the Fennin/BB slot's play?

I skimmed the thread tonight and nothing really jumped out at me. I'm going to give this a better read tomorrow but...

Schmugen why was it important to get a vc before voting?

PV I have a question for you

what is the town motivation for posting pretty much nothing in a month before a wagon starts on you at which point you decide to try and contribute?

– the following quote encapsulates my problem with his slot, distilled right down to the core.

Slandaar wrote: I think that slot is scum. What is your point? just a little fact; she replaced out here before some other games she was in.

In Post 369 Slandaar responds to SOO who pointed out his constant weak shots at Malee’s slot with that.

He’s basically giving himself the freedom to make any action a ‘scum-tell’ (including the order that Malee replaced out of games) since he has a Scum read on the slot. That's Town play is Slandaar's stance.

Simultaneously he is banging me about my suspicion of him and saying “He’s attacking something that isn’t a scum-tell, he’s scum”. So I have a scum read on his slot and am interpreting his actions in a way consistent with my read. And I'm scummy for doing that.

Cognitive Dissonance in full bloom. I’m giving the thread a break from pointing out the many, many other scummy posts Slandaar has made since enough people have groused about it. Make no mistake – I still have a solid scum read on the slot.

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Iec wrote:If you refer to the lack of specific reasons, it's because that's not how the decisions were made. Rather, my guts churn sometimes. Any reasons produced would be framing events in light of my churning, which means they would mainly be rhetorical. When churnings are judged trustworthy enough for sharing, specific statements have been made of the form "X is town."

If you want to take the ‘mysterious and guarded’ route and say “it’s gut” and are scum then by all means go ahead. It will make hanging you easier long term.

You ISO, on review, is filled to the core with fluff. Why again should I think you are Town?

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Wrath wrote: @MoI: Umm, I'm the first person to push a case/lynch on Peregrine, how is that being opportunistic as you are implying?

It has to do with timing and circumstances. The actual PBP case you laid out happened just after BB pointed out facts regarding Peregrine’s fishing that really put him on the Hot-seat. You, however, had already voted Peregrine in a post where you responded to Kdub with the reasoning “Let’s try something fresh”. Yes, you did express soft suspicion of Peregrine in your Post 198. The timing of your ‘case’ (which happened at least 5 days after your vote) may just be pure coincidence but does look suspect to me given my read on you.

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BB wrote: Why him over me?

Um, whut? Why did I suspect the person pushing the scum role-fish / crumb attack over the person whose slot I haven’t found scummy all game and made a rather insightful post regarding the first person?

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Peregrine wrote:Now, why do you want to make sure that we know you are Yoda? Given mod rule #4, help me understand the mentality of breadcrumbing ANYTHING.

Are you seriously asking this question? If you are you simply aren’t thinking at all from a Town perspective and need Rope ASAP.

Peregrine wrote:@Shadow (371)- You seem to indicate that Slandaar is scummy, but so am I? Are we scum together?

You know that this is? A bona-fide slip.

Free internet cookies to anyone who can point out why.

Peregrine wrote:The town motivation is none, since your claim will be believed or disbelieved on the merits of your play at the time you actually make the claim.

The scum motivation is that because the character is a good guy in the star wars universe, you will breadcrumb the good guy role in the hopes that come claim time, you can point back and say, "see, I'm Yoda, a good guy! I hinted back in post 1!" hoping that that will weigh more in the mind of the audience than the mod's admonition that it has no bearing on alignment in this game.

Does this make sense? If not, explain how you are confused and I will try and clear it up for you.

Nope, doesn’t make sense at all.

1. That you can think of Town motivation for the slot’s breadcrumbing means you aren’t approaching the game from a Town perspective.
2. The fact that you pointed out Mod Rule 4 undercuts completely your ‘scum motivation’.

MoI wrote:You ISO, on review, is filled to the core with fluff. Why again should I think you are Town?

Iec does not require you to think that Iec is town. However, Iec feels uncomfortable when you request specific content, dispute the content of the content requested, and then call Iec scum. (Though that really doesn't sound that outrageous when Iec writes it out like that....)

Iec thinks there was maybe a row like this in another game that was played. Can't recall details.

Peregrine leans on the uncomfy side. That would be OK with Iec.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Iec does not require you to think that Iec is town. However, Iec feels uncomfortable when you request specific content, dispute the content of the content requested, and then call Iec scum. (Though that really doesn't sound that outrageous when Iec writes it out like that....)

And I don't really care what you dislike, honestly.

A list of names is not content. Sorry, it's not. Content is material with which we can judge whether your motivations and claims make sense and come from a Town perspective. Slandaar is providing tons of content to be judged by. You are providing, at least post Reboot, nothing more than lists (which you excuse with 'gut') and fluff surrounding your Post Restriction.

So no, your assertion that I requested content and you provided actual content is inaccurate.

↑ PeregrineV wrote:

↑ BBmolla wrote:VOTE: PeregrineV

His rolefishing is fake scumhunting, there is no town reason to pursue that thing specifically this much.

I'll say it again. In a theme game, certain characters have connotations of good and bad. The mod even says that even though a character is good or bad in the star wars universe, it has no bearing on their alignment this game.

However, despite that, Fenrin breadcrumbed Yoda, who is a good guy in the star wars universe.

Given that the mod stated that a characters goodness/badness in the star wars universe is not relevant to this game, what is the town motivation to breadcrumb?
What is the scum motivation?

Now, I will answer.

The town motivation is none, since your claim will be believed or disbelieved on the merits of your play at the time you actually make the claim.

The scum motivation is that because the character is a good guy in the star wars universe, you will breadcrumb the good guy role in the hopes that come claim time, you can point back and say, "see, I'm Yoda, a good guy! I hinted back in post 1!" hoping that that will weigh more in the mind of the audience than the mod's admonition that it has no bearing on alignment in this game.

Does this make sense? If not, explain how you are confused and I will try and clear it up for you.

The town motivation is that the Yoda breadcrumb was intended for Mafia to notice and make a big deal out of, not town. Because Town shouldn't care about his role because Yoda doesn't mean anything to them. However, Yoda is scary to mafia, because they know he's not on their team and that he's probably pretty powerful.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:You know that this is? A bona-fide slip.

Free internet cookies to anyone who can point out why.

He somehow knows there is only one scum team.