Fate continues to coast with his vote parked on a VI and play very low-key.
Welcome Zeek. We meet again …
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Mini wrote: Don't think I'm done with vijay yet. What is everyone's opinion on him?
I don’t have him as a scum read. He took my initial salvo early and while he did vote for me he was the first one off my wagon which is generally a plus IMO (with a small caveat).
I wouldn’t wagon him today.
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Peregrine wrote: I could do this, and single handedly solve the mystery of "whose the scum" if only I have enough hours in a day. Since I don't, and the living players would do there own version of who-was-on-the-wagon day2, I asked you, the potentially dead player, to do so before you died.
Are you really not understanding what I asked for or why I did?
Yes I understand why you are saying it. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with your reasons. Everyone else's version of the wagon is from a different perspective than your own.
My question to you is – why is your time more valuable than mine? If you don’t have the hours in the day to play in a manner that serves your wincon you can’t expect people to do it for you.
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Pappums wrote:Damn, you are obsessed with pushing your horseshit "lining up lynches" point arent you? I didnt commit to jack shit. Why do you need me to say that pizza and you "fit well as partners" exactly? You two have not interacted enough to say something like that even if I wasnt going to wait for a flip before coming to a conclusion on whichever of you were not the one who got lynched.
You’ve completely avoided my questions – why if your stance is
I wouldnt start talking about who your partners could be until after you were to flip scum. would you be entertaining other relational reads without flips. You could certainly say “Pizza doesn’t make any sense as MoI’s possible partner” based on what went on in thread (as I have discussed already).
Pappums wrote:I explained why his reaction was scummy and I never said he was a VI. If someone was a VI, that does not mean you should ignore it when they do scummy things.
Where did I ever say that VI’s can’t be scum or we should ignore their play?
Pappums wrote:ROFLMAO holy shit what a fucking god-awful LIE that was. RC was taking a TON OF SHIT because you were taking jabs at him and he replaced out BECAUSE HE COULDNT TAKE IT ANYMORE and because HE HAD A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO LYNCH HIM LARGELY BASED ON HIS INTERACTONS WITH YOU. I was lynched almost immediately even though I did some decent scumhunting BASED OFF OF RC'S BEHAVIOR. TO SAY OTHERWISE IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
Here’s the
link for those who want to observe for themselves.
For the record – the only vote you got right out of the gate after you replaced in was Empking’s. In fact it was Katsuki who got the first early wagon. It was only after you started posting that heat came your way. You made your own grave there.
Pappums wrote: I never said Fate and Benmage were easy targets, learn to read. I said you were trying to stir shit up between them LIKE YOU DID WITH RC.
1. Asking them about their reads / interactions with each other isn’t ‘stirring things up’. It’s scum-hunting. Should I scream mis-rep like you now?
2. How is my direct attack on ReaperCharlie in that game in any way similar to my play here? You are trying to say I am ‘stirring things up’ like I did there yet in that game I went head to head calling him scum. It’s not analogues at all and your attempts to make it so are scummy.
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Yates wrote:My counterargument to VJ was that a scum slip is as likely, if not MORE likely, than "scum-Yates" trying to fabricate a bs "slip" in order to get someone lynched.
Well I don’t know how you are quantifying this other than based on knowing your own role PM but meh.
Yates wrote: The point, I am restating, is that I think you screwed up by pointing to two games where you acted a certain way and in both instances ended up being scum.
And my counter-point is that it makes no sense for me, as scum, to actively call that other game to anyone’s attention. Ben clearly wasn’t going to go looking for it. Why would I, as scum, not tell him to do it himself as opposed to doing all the legwork?
Yates wrote:A. How many games do YOU think it takes to make that evidence stronger? 4? 5? If you were scum in 1 out of 3, I wouldn't pay it any attention. The fact that you are 2 for 2? Yeah. That's at LEAST a trend.
More than 2, clearly. If you want to argue that that a Trend is meaningful to alignment you can. I know it isn’t. The whole premise is that I am ‘uncomfortable opening the game’ which really doesn’t speak to reality given my strong success as Mafia in games and the fact that I’ve never been lynched as Scum early in the game.
Yates wrote: A. My argument was that it wasn't scummy for knox not to put you at L-1 as you seemed to imply. Her stated reason "wanting to extend the day" made sense at the time for the reasons I have already stated [low content, low activity from numerous slots, etc]. The fact that you were unmoving on this point raised the hairs on the back of my neck. If you are going to make a statement like that, you need to know someone may call your bluff. I called it. It's as simple as that. If you get lynched and flip scum, knox's stated reason for not wanting to put you at L-1 would need to be reexamined as AT THAT POINT it would begin to look fishy. I've already stated all of this but there it is again.
Well you point is pretty bad then. Town has no reason to worry about putting someone they think is scum at L-1 period. The rest of your post here pre-supposes that I flip scum. You aren’t bothering to look from the standpoint of Town making the statement I did.