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So instead you just give us the vote with no reasoning whatsoever. Gee how useful.

So instead of reading all the posts I made on day day 1 giving reasons for my vote on Bacde and why I'm sketchy on his claim you make a worthless comment.

Gee, what great scum hunting you've done so far today, and all those votes and pressuring of scum has been really helpful. Oh, wait...

Yeah you're right, because implying you have something to say about bacde then not supplying it with you vote is the height of scumhunting.

The post was not long, and is still mostly sheeping people for its reasoning. Normally I like to have original cases, but the ones made against him are great, despite Nacho feeling like his claim came from town. I explain why I disagree and feel his claim is fake in post 260.

Now quit the sarcasm and do something useful. At least I'm voting for who I think is scum, and it's never been a secret why I've felt Bacde is scum.

I was shit loaded with finals. I know I didn't give my fair share of scum hunting. I even acknowledged it. I will re read thread and probably post tonight.

Bodyguard is a terrible claim.

If at any point a claimed PR dies and he doesn't he gets lynched.
If he survives until later in the game he'll probably get lynched.
He's claiming a role that has double the chance to die at night as any other player. Just being alive makes him suspicious.
If a doctor ever claims or flips he'll be lynched.

If the extent of your personal beliefs on bacde stem from this why have you never replied to the multiple times when people expressed this opinion?
Other opinions on bacde are mostly irrelevant. In the end it boils down to is he, or is he not a bodyguard. Because if he isn't he's scum, and if he is he's town.

Also, there's no merit in lynching someone who's very survival (or lack thereof) could prove their alignment in the later days. Lynching him before day three at the very least is stupid.

Rereading. Will post tomorrow.

↑ Mirhawk wrote:Also, there's no merit in lynching someone who's very survival (or lack thereof) could prove their alignment in the later days. Lynching him before day three at the very least is stupid.

Anyone's lack of survival proves their alignment.

I still have a leaning town read from the claim on bacde, so I won't be in any hurry to lynch him unless something else comes up.

Can't write new stuff tonight because finals (only got those earlier posts out because I wrote them on the weekend). Will answer questions tomorrow afternoon.

Mirhawk wrote:
If the extent of your personal beliefs on bacde stem from this why have you never replied to the multiple times when people expressed this opinion?

Because these points are bad. Let's look at them:

Mirhawk wrote:
If at any point a claimed PR dies and he doesn't he gets lynched.

So trade "guaranteed lynch today" for "possible lynch eventually if there happens to be a certain kind of power role, and we manage to kill them". God what an awful trade.

Mirhawk wrote:
If he survives until later in the game he'll probably get lynched.

If he's scum, he's going to survive the night regardless of what he claims, unless a vig shoots him. How does this point to him being town at all?

Mirhawk wrote:
He's claiming a role that has double the chance to die at night as any other player. Just being alive makes him suspicious.

Not at all. The likelihood of scum shooting Bacde is just about zero. If he's scum, obviously. If he's town, then he's going to be an easy mislynch. So the only way he's going to die is if he correctly guesses who scum is going to shoot. I guessed Jabber was going to eat the bullet, apparently Bacde (if he was town) thought so also. Scum shot someone who wasn't the obvious protection. Duh?

Mirhawk wrote:
If a doctor ever claims or flips he'll be lynched.

Maybe. Is it possible to have both a doctor and a bodyguard in the same game? I haven't seen it personally, but then I've hardly ever seen a bodyguard at all so I can't say for sure.

What is scum Bacde going to do? Claim VT and eat the lynch? No, the bodyguard claim is brilliant because it even has a chance to pull out a doctor counter claim if anyone is stupid enough to do that on day 1. Or claim cop, and have all the same problems you mentioned before. Seriously, if you take a step back and think about it, you're basically saying that it's a bad play for scum to claim a PR to try and survive.

ALSO: Since he claimed a weak PR, as opposed to say cop, it makes more sense for him to survive. If he claims cop and survives the night, then yes lynch his ass because scum leaving a cop alive is risky as hell.

@ 385 Monday exam?

Will post in the morning. I'm still not home.

Several of those points are garbage, they all assume from the get go that he scum. The arguments I laid out are all from the perspective of not knowing if he's scum or not. Of course he wont die at night if he's scum.

My point is thus, if a PR becomes reveled in the next day or two it would be nice to have an additional layer of protection between them and death. Strategically speaking it's better to not lynch him right off the bat.

You're missing THE ENTIRE POINT.

If he claimed VT he would have been hammered. Regardless if he was town or scum. Simple.

OBVIOUSLY if he's a bodyguard, he claimed the right thing. If he's scum, what do YOU think he would have claimed?

↑ jmo16mla wrote:@ 385 Monday exam?

Will post in the morning. I'm still not home.

Double Monday exams and an absurdly late midterm tomorrow. FML

Also, for the record, the Disturbed NK does actually point to Bacde-Town to some degree. I don't see scum making that NK unless they want to deliberately choose someone who is not an obvious choice (i.e. not a likely protection target). If scum knows a bodyguard is in the game, then I can definitely see them making that NK.

That's stupid logic, there are power roles in the game. Obviously they would claim their actual roles.

How about this, if he was scum why wouldn't he claim cop or a more common PR. At best he doesn't get CC'ed, at worst he draws out a PR when they CC him.

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@Rob
I don't see it that way. Scum don't know who is or isn't a PR at this point, why worry about accidentally killing the only known PR. I doubt this was the reason they targeted Disturbed.

Looking over ICEninja's ISO, he's still reading town. I initially thought him sarcastically trying to brush off suspicion against him in #35 and #71 was pretty bad but he had a similar reaction in Dresden Files as town. Him getting frustrated at the game and the lurkers in both #66 and #107 is very genuine and his persistent attack on them in later posts is entirely reasonable. It doesn't feel like he's just trying to grab some cred here but he's legit pissed that people aren't contributing more.

#157 + #165 - his being conflicted on Disturbed, seeing his behavioral patterns as scummy but his tone as town, and the way he expresses it is super fucking genuine ("Disturbed continues to confuse me with making stupid plays but sounding so sincere and genuine doing them..." / "Disturbed's 158 feels a little bit like trying to milk me for a town read, but dammit once again it feels sincere...").

Him being stoked at our replace-in (#198 + #211) is very townie in light of Dresden where another Tierce hydra (Sixty) did a stand-up job leading the town to victory.

All in all, fairly sure ICEninja is town and I'm not lynching this guy. More later when I have some time (still have to finish an obnoxious take home exam).

P-Edit: This Bacde argument is boring. We're not lynching him. Move your votes elsewhere.

↑ Rob14 wrote:Also, for the record, the Disturbed NK does actually point to Bacde-Town to some degree. I don't see scum making that NK unless they want to deliberately choose someone who is not an obvious choice (i.e. not a likely protection target). If scum knows a bodyguard is in the game, then I can definitely see them making that NK.

It could also be that it was made by a bacde scum, who wanted to choose someone who wasn't an "obvious should have been on them" target.

The nightkill is making me definity think jmo town though, he had his vote on disturbed the whole way through day 1, and if he would then go and nightkill him, it would be a waste of their cheif suspect. (unless he really wanted him dead for some reason, but I don't see the vote as that serious)
If there was a scum using Disturbed wagon as a counterwagon to their buddy, it would be Melmond.

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:

↑ Rob14 wrote:Also, for the record, the Disturbed NK does actually point to Bacde-Town to some degree. I don't see scum making that NK unless they want to deliberately choose someone who is not an obvious choice (i.e. not a likely protection target). If scum knows a bodyguard is in the game, then I can definitely see them making that NK.

It could also be that it was made by a bacde scum, who wanted to choose someone who wasn't an "obvious should have been on them" target.

The nightkill is making me definity think jmo town though, he had his vote on disturbed the whole way through day 1, and if he would then go and nightkill him, it would be a waste of their cheif suspect. (unless he really wanted him dead for some reason, but I don't see the vote as that serious)

If there was a scum using Disturbed wagon as a counterwagon to their buddy, it would be Melmond.

Could you explain the bolded? You lost me.

And I can see how that can be WIFOM. Hadn't thought of it like that.

I had the same exact question as above^^^

↑ Rob14 wrote:

Cheery Dog wrote:

If there was a scum using Disturbed wagon as a counterwagon to their buddy, it would be Melmond.

And I can see how that can be WIFOM. Hadn't thought of it like that.

At the end of day 1, the major counterwagon to Shamrock was Disturbed_One, the people voting him were jmo, shamrock and Melmond.
Since we lynched shamrock yesterday, that leaves jmo and melmond as being on the counterwagon, if one of those was sitting on it to try and get a mislynch instead of a buddy lynched, I believe it would be Melmond due to jmo having sat on that wagon all day. (and that Disturbed died during the night)

It's possible scum were on the Disturbed waggon but Shamrock's lynch was inevitable. They could easily have been on Shamrock's waggon.

@Hawk - Is it true that Bodyguards can't be with doctors?
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I agree that Ice is prob town.

@Cheery - You aren't voting me, why?

↑ absta101 wrote:It's possible scum were on the Disturbed waggon but Shamrock's lynch was inevitable. They could easily have been on Shamrock's waggon.

That is why I said "If", it's by no means certain.

↑ absta101 wrote:@Cheery - You aren't voting me, why?

because Rob's apparently found a towntell in one of the posts I was using as the reasons for my vote yesterday, I'm waiting for the reason for that to come before I vote you again today.