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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:28 am

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The 'partial watcher' role probably refers to this role, or some variation on it:
Wiki wrote: Neighborhood Watch: The Watch consists of two colleagues who can choose to patrol as a team or as singles. They choose a name, whose house they watch. They cannot prevent a murder, but can catch the killer (50% for a single Watchman, 100% for the team).
Based on that, and on what you've said, PJ, I'd be willing to bet that Aureal is the other half of that team. I could easily be wrong, but that's what makes the most sense to me.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:51 am

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a) Watcher is the name we use for Tracker over on MTGSalvation. I have no idea why this is, but it's a possibility. However, given the role showed by EnderX...

b) It was probably something along the lines of "If someone nightkills KiKi, you will be informed who done it." Maybe? It makes a certain amount of sense.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:28 am

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Aha, guess that makes sense.

If we are dealing with a neighborhood-style Watcher, however, I think VitaminR was the only one (since he was a
Partial
Watcher). But that would mean there are 5 roles out of 12 that have a killing ability: 3 Scum, 1 Vigilante, 1 Partial Neighborhood Watcher.

And now that it's out there, I think cropcircles guess a tracker is the most likely, and my reasoning is the fact that
everybody
has some sort of night ability, and that 10 out of 12 players have a night target (as the Masons don't target each other), but also some players are like to withhold using their abilities until later in the game (Role-blockers, Vigilantes/SK's, Virgins, etc.).

I don't believe it is the second guess from cropcircles though, because such a role is much too weak. Firstly, VitaminR would have to be watching somebody who was killed. Secondly, there is apparantly a Vigilante (possible SK, though doubtful) and a scum group out there and it would be too easy to follow the Watcher into lynching a Vigilante. And thirdly, there is no guarantee that VitaminR would not have been frogged the night he investigated and got a 'guilty', or that he would live through that night, or that we would easily believe his claim the day after investigations.

In any case, we all seem to agree that a Partial Watcher has limited investigative abilities, and likely
not
protective abilities. Are there normally 3 investigative roles in 12-person games? If W!nt3r is scum, I suppose it makes a sort of sense that we would have only 1 doctor.

All I need to hear now is a confirmation from Orbiting that she was messaged by Aureal Night 1 and that she is not a frogger (which I doubt anybody will claim at this point, although we have no frogs today and it seems relatively safe), and I will be happy to replace my vote for W!nt3r.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:24 am

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I wouldn't really call Chihiro's role an investigative. Paranoid cops cause nothing but trouble, they bring no valid information to the table because everything is evil, when I originally read day one, and as both a paranoid cop and petrol, I wondered whether or not we had a sane/insane cop, but since no one came out, I figured not. However, it is not unlikely to have both of those roles.
Is it possible that cropcircles is our godfather, and as godfather, he could one night make two kills instead of one? Just theorizing.. after w!nt3r, I really can't decide between ender and cropcircles, unless w!nt3r is telling the truth and both yaw and orbitting were protected on night two, then I'm even more at a loss.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:59 am

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Two kills? Well, if we're dissecting the confimed people now, I'm a lot more suspicious of you. I've never heard of someone who could make two kills, but an unblockable kill is not unheard of, which would eliminate the reason you're confirmed.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:08 am

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:shock: Slow down there Aureal.

Firstly, I think two kills (instead of a Godfather ability) is entirely possible: I have seen roles which may use a double-kill for one night, although that often means that they must forfeit a kill on another night. A no-kill on Night 2, then, is not such a bad strategy, no?

However, accusing ML of an unblockable kill is rather silly. That would mean:
a.) W!nt3r is scum and we
have no doctors

b.) W!nt3r is a Mason Doc, which means our only Doc can be circumvented

I refuse to believe our doctor(s) are
that
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:21 am

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*shrug* Everybody in this game seems to have some sort of ability. With such a strong town, I don't really find it that much of a stretch that the doc could only protect two specific people. It does seem unlikely though, you're right. I was just pointing out that it seemed more likely to me that ML was scum than cropcircles, but Winter still seems by far the most likely candidate.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:30 am

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Aureal I'm just trying to look at every possible option we have, as petrol said, it is not unheard of for a two kill role, I've seen it myself. I would rather discuss all of my options while I'm here, as the doc, I will be dead tonight, unless ender makes a good call or something like that. I'm not trying to disect anyone, just show all possibilities.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:03 pm

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All I need to hear now is a confirmation from Orbiting that she was messaged by Aureal Night 1 and that she is not a frogger


I did, in fact, get a message from Kiki night 1. Also, I am not the frogger. Other than my masonhood, I have no special powers.

I would, of course, prefer not to be vig-killed, if possible, but I do understand that I'm probably the lowest powered town player remaining. So if we have to go to a test case, I suppose that's okay.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:06 pm

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I actually like the idea better of crop trying kill ender, and ender trying to block it, That way if crop is mafia he would be blocked from kill and with no kills tomorrow we'd know he was the last. But if crop succeeds in killing ender, then ender was never a role blocker in the first place and our scum will be killed. Then petrol can investigate who he sees fit. If anyone disagrees, feel free to say so.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:43 pm

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The only issue, ML, is that the mafioso could go no-kill just to get me lynched. Other then that, though, it is the plan I feel best about.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:52 pm

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Hmm, I can see where you guys are coming from.

The reason I didn't really like EnderX protecting himself from cropcircles is simply this: if EnderX is
scum
role-blocker, we gain nothing by guaranteeing his safety by telling him when to protect himself instead of sending in a kill. Suppose we wake up tomorrow (after having lynched W!nt3r) and nobody is dead, we will only be able to narrow the roles down to:

-Cropcircles is mafia scum/SK and was indeed role-blocked
-Cropcircles may still be Vigilante and hence the real Mafia/SK sent in no-kill or were foiled by Doctor (or possibly used their alternate frogging ability?)
-EnderX is pro-town role-blocker and successfully defended himself
-EnderX is anti-town role-blocker and successfully defended himself, and his kill was either thwarted, a no-kill, or he cannot kill and role-block on the same night.

Or, if ML dies (most likely) and nobody else does, we
still
can't rule out the possibility of a scum role-blocker. However, that
would
make cropcircles look much more innocent, since he should have been role-blocked and hence unable to kill. I would hopefully still have an investigation to go off of (though as I said before, I don't think they're worth anything anymore), but otherwise all that will have happened is that we lost our doctor and proved that EnderX is a role-blocker, but still may be good or evil.

But I think I'm started to lean with you guys: If EnderX dies this next night and
is
a pro-town role-blocker, then we can be very certain that cropcircles is not Mafia (unless he really
does
have a guaranteed kill, which I find highly unlikely at this stage of the game), and that would leave Aureal, Orbiting, ML, and myself. For the record, I personally can't even imagine one of Aureal, Orbiting, or ML being scum at this point, so I will congratulate you now for an excellent role-claim if any of you are! Should that happen, though, I will be flabbergasted to say the least.

So I think that sounds good to me, guys. Actions for tonight then are as follows, unless there is an objection:
-Cropcircles (Vigilante) targets EnderX (Role-Blocker)
-EnderX (Role-Blocker) role-blocks Cropcircles (Vigilante)
-PetroleumJelly (Cop) investigates EnderX (Role-Blocker)
-Medicated Lain (Doctor) protects PetroleumJelly (Cop)
-Aureal (Messenger) messages Orbiting (Mason)
-Orbiting (Lone Mason) twiddles her thumbs and toes, awaiting Aureal's visit

So now:
-If EnderX dies (and nobody else does) and is indeed a pro-town role-blocker, cropcircles will be cleared in my eyes, and EnderX was probably targetted by scum.
-If I die (and nobody else does) then either we have super-scum with the ability to circumvent Doctor protection, or ML is lying scum (or ML was role-blocked, I suppose, and a hit was sent on me)
-If ML dies (and nobody else does) then cropcircles will still be cleared in my eyes, and we will probably have to figure things out from there. I may offer myself up for lynching unless I get a guilty investigation.
-If Cropcircles dies (and nobody else does) then that still leaves the possibility of EnderX being role-blocking scum (though that would be an insanely powerful role!). I will have my investigation on him (for what it's worth), and I may offer myself up for lynching since I seem to be the only unprovable role besides Orbiting by that point.
-If Orbiting dies (and nobody else does), cropcircles would still look cleared in my eyes, and I may offer myself up for lynching unless I get a guilty result.
-If Aureal dies (and nobody else does), same as above.

And, of course, if EnderX dies and is scum, the game had better dang-well be over, because I'm already 95% sure that W!nt3r is scum. The funniest part about this is that the game will probably be over after the lynching of W!nt3r, and all this discussion will have been for nothing. Ha! But it's still best to have back-up plans, I suppose.

Feel free to fiddle with the Night 4 actions list some more if anybody can find anything wrong. We should have everybody agreeing to one plan before the lynch, so I will still withhold my vote on W!nt3r until we all know what we're doing.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:29 am

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So basicaly I'm condemned to being lynched today?

I see there is very little I can say at this point to change your mind.

/shrug

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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:55 pm

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Alright, well no one seems to want to post anything after that post, so I guess I will. I'm sorry w!nt3r, if you are town, but you are the best choice for a lynch. You have the least plausable back up story to back you up, and with that said, we should get ready to end this day. Ender I would like your opinion on the plan also.
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:56 pm

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:( Sorry W!nt3r, it must not feel very good to read this thread and seeing us making plans for what we will do after lynching you. Especially if you turn out to be pro-town.

If you can make a better case for lynching somebody else, I am willing to listen, but I agree today is looking pretty grim for you.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:37 pm

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As do I, though I still don't understand how I came off so scummy.
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:43 pm

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:? It's not that you came off as scummy W!nt3r, just that there is a shortage of people to lynch. We really can't prove your role at this point, unless we have you protect Orbiting tonight and have cropcircles target Orbiting as well: but if somebody else is scum and
also
targets Orbiting, we would probably lynch you anyways, assuming that you don't actually confer protection. A full doctor is simply more believable than a Mason doctor at this point, and we plan on testing EnderX and cropcircles tonight for what it is worth if you turn out to be pro-town.

Again, I implore you to suggest somebody else for lynching if you can.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:15 pm

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I have no problems with the plan.
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:38 pm

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I don't think mafia *can* skip kills, cropcircle, so you should be fine. Unless something unexpected happens, this is either endgame, or I will be dead tomorrow. So now, I will say my dramatic goodbyes to the town I've lived in for three whole days, and only been able to communicate with for one day. >sob< Goodbye fair town!
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:43 pm

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Guess there's no point in dragging this out longer. Let's hope for the best!

Vote:W!nt3r
. I already forgot how many votes W!nt3r has, but I think that's a lynch.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:03 am

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petroleumjelly wrote::? It's not that you came off as scummy W!nt3r, just that there is a shortage of people to lynch. We really can't prove your role at this point, unless we have you protect Orbiting tonight and have cropcircles target Orbiting as well: but if somebody else is scum and
also
targets Orbiting, we would probably lynch you anyways, assuming that you don't actually confer protection. A full doctor is simply more believable than a Mason doctor at this point, and we plan on testing EnderX and cropcircles tonight for what it is worth if you turn out to be pro-town.

Again, I implore you to suggest somebody else for lynching if you can.
I can't see anyone that looks scummy, mainly because you lynched Elvis a suspect of mine, and Yaw was night killed, which was my second guess... With yesterday being mainly about the frogging's I guess I wasn't really able to look at the game in an open ended investigation. So i can't say that anyone seems all that scummy to me right now... you all have good roles and stories... 'sept Falcone, who's role and ability don't match. I still can't see it as insane cop... anyway...

In all honesty, yesterday(day 2) gave me incentive to play my other games harder and I guess that just ruined my chances in this one... so I concede.

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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:37 pm

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I'm officially back, and I"m about to post an official vote count. Gimme second.

Official vote count:
W!nt3r (4): Orbiting, cropcircles, PetroleumJelly, Medicated Lain

You have lynched W!nt3r. She was... drumroll please:









W!nt3r was a scumbag! Jigo, to be precise, and she was a godfather! Congratulations town! You win! I'll be posting roles in a moment, as well as night 1 and 2 actions. I'll need to get night 3 actions from Iammars.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:46 pm

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Roles:

Falcone:
Chihiro: You are Chihiro, a ten year old girl that wanders into a bath house that caters to spirits. As you work around the bath house, you begin to learn gossip about the people that live in the area. Every night you may send in a PM about someone you wish to strain your ears about, then recieve local gossip. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: Chihiro acts as a paranoid cop. Not all rumors are true

Yaw:
Pazu: You are Pazu, a simple engineer's apprentice. After finding the mysterious girl Sheeta floating down from the sky one day, you have pledged to help her find the home of her past and escape the evil men that wish to find her. You and Sheeta may talk to each other outside of the game at any time. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: Pazu and Sheeta are masons.

Orbiting:
Sheeta: You are Sheeta, a mysterious girl who has been chased by strange men for most of your life. Your only clue as to why they want you is a mysterious stone you've always had. After Pazu saved your life, you two have been fleeing these men while trying to find answers. You and Pazu may talk to each other outside of the game at any time. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: Pazu and Sheeta are masons.

PetroleumJelly:
Haku: You are Haku, a river spirit that has lost his memory. Your position as second in command at the local spirit bath house is hard work. As you must know exactly what each of the spirits (as well as the other, mortal guests) need to be comfortable in your workplace, you investigate them nightly. Ever night you may send in the name of a person you wish to investigate to learn whether they be troublemakers or peaceful citizens. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: Haku is a normal cop.

Medicated Lain:
Ashitaka: You are Ashitaka, a cursed prince outcast from his village tribe. You abhor violence, as it enrages the curse on your arm, so every night you are out trying to protect people from getting hurt. Every night you may chose someone to protect. They will not be harmed by one person for that night. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: Ashitaka acts as a doctor.

Aureal:
Kiki: You are Kiki, a young witch who has just started up her new delivery service. Every night you may ask the mod to deliver a message to any player in the game. This message will arrive anonymously unless you chose otherwise. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: Kiki is a message deliverer.

VitaminR:
Jiji: You are Jiji, a black cat and witch's familiar. While you stay up at night to prowl the town in search for other lady cats, food, and to find potential customers for your owner Kiki, you see who is out and about at late hours. Every night you will recieve a PM from the mod about who is wandering around. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: Jiji is a partial watcher. He will see no more than half the actions taken each night, with a limit of one name per night.

EnderX:
Nausicaa: You are Nausicaa, a princess of a small valley that wishes only to live in peace with the creatures of the Poisonous Jungles outside your valley. You don't want any violence at all in your world, so you try everything you can to keep that precarious balance. Every night you may send in a name of a person you wish to pacify. That person will be able to take no action that night. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: Nausicaa is a roleblocker.


Cropcircles:
San: You are San, titled "Princess Mononoke" by scared villagers, a girl raised since childhood by the wolf god of the forests. You have lived your life trying to kill those that threaten your forest home. Once per night you may send in a target of a person you wish to kill that you feel threatens your peaceful lifestyle. You win when all of the evil beings in your world have been destroyed (town).

Mod Notes: San acts as a full vig.


Scumbags:


W!nter:
Jigo: You are Jigo, a monk of sorts that wishes to be very, very rich. Your emperor has commissioned you (at quite a hefty price) to bring him the head of the forest spirit. You know that this probably will destroy the whole forest and kill everyone and everything in it, but that money is just so tempting. Your ability to manipulate the locals gets you an 'innocent' response to every investigation about you. Along with your allies Muska and Yubaba, you win when all those in the way of your plans have been destroyed (Mafia). You won't rest until you defeat all the 'honorable' scumbags (mafia).

Elvis_knits:
Yubaba: You are Yubaba, the unscrupulous owner of the spirit bathhouse. You want as much money as you can possibly get. As the user of magic, people getting in your way never seems to be a big deal. Every other night you may send in a target for your magic. That target will be turned into a frog the next day and will not be able to post anything more than votes. You won't rest until you defeat all the 'honorable' scumbags (mafia).

Mod Notes: If Yubaba attempts this ability, there is a 25% chance it will backfire. There is 100% chance of it backfiring if she attempts to use it on Haku.

Meme:
Muska: You are Muska, a government agent that's been sent to find the locations of a flying castle known as Laputa. However, once you found out what Laputa could do, you wanted nothing but to find the flying castle yourself. Along with your allies Jigo and Yubaba, you win when all those in the way of your plans have been destroyed (Mafia). You won't rest until you defeat all the 'honorable' scumbags (mafia).

Mod Notes: If Sheeta dies and Muska is still in the game, the mafia gets to send in an extra kill every other night.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:48 pm

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Night actions

Night 1:
Mafia targets Falcone.
Falcone targets Yaw. Gets a guilty finding.
PetroleumJelly targets Meme. Gets guilty finding.
Lain protects Crop Circles
Aureal sends "Hi! Your friendly neighborhood witch was here! Do you like anime too? Utena and Sailormoon are some of my favorites!" to Orbiting.
EnderX does nothing.
Elvis_knits targets no one.
Cropcircles targets no one.

Night 2:
PJ: Investigates Aureal
Aureal: Sends "Congratulations on the successful use of your ability, Haku-san. (Interesting duality with Chihiro's paranoia there, isn't it?) I just deliver stuff, that's not nearly as interesting.
-Kiki, aka Aureal" to PJ.
Lain protects Orbiting
Mafia targets Orbiting
Elvis_knits frogs Lain
Cropcircles: No one
EnderX: no choice
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:54 pm

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Whoo-hoo! *high-fives town*

Well played scum, you had me doubting before
every
lynch.

Before the first lynching death scene was posted, I was fully convinced that Meme was pro-town caught between a rock and a hard place, and that I was either an insane cop or a second paranoid cop who may have inadvertantly given Meme a posting restriction. I will have to remember to be very wary of her in the future. Maybe I'll have to investigate her every game I'm in. :wink:

Elvis_Knits did well avoiding suspicion on Day 2, and probably would've been able to talk her way out of a lynch if it were not for cropcircles' Vigilante claim and the fact that we were lynching on a deadline (which was the biggest factor on Day 2). I was seriously trying to think of a better person to lynch until EnderX's counterclaim, which sealed the deal for me.

And W!nt3r never once really rang any scum-dar bells for me (excepting for Elvis_Knit's seeming unwillingless to vote for W!nt3r), it just so happened that everybody else just looked more confirmed to me. I think you played just fine W!nt3r, us catching you was mostly just bad luck on your part.

I mostly just want to know who the heck was the frogger.
"Logic? I call that flapdoodle."
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