Micro 164: Epic Mafia (Game Over)

[RichardGHP]

Vote Count 1.9

• catboi (3)
  : BBmolla rmpeacoc GuyInFreezer
  
• Rob13 (2)
  : Jake from State Farm bubbajack8
  
• bubbajack8 (1)
  : Rob13
  
• Jake from State Farm (1)
  : fuzzybutternut
  
• fuzzybutternut (1)
  : catboi
  
• Not voting:
  Piratecat

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-03 17:57:30).

[BBmolla]

Assumptions, duh doy

[Rob14]

Why should it affect my read on them? My read on them is based upon a disparity between their reads and actions, something which I consider to be one of the largest scum-tells. If they were illogical and unreasonable, that doesn't change anything, in my opinion. They're still defending a scum read while not voting each other or significantly pressuring each other in any way.

Come on molla, lynch Bubba with me.

[BBmolla]

Cool, cool cool cool

Lemme make catboi sweat before I do that

[Rob14]

I'm highly dubious, by the way, of a sudden wagon on a lurker that has both rmp and GIF on it. GIF lurked until recently, only coming out of the woodwork when rmp and bubba were heavily pressured and on the defensive. Rmp is on the wagon as well, and I like him as a possible Bubba-partner. The only person who I have a town read on for that wagon is BBmolla, and...why exactly are you voting catboi again?

It's irresponsible to lynch all lurkers when we have better leads right in front of us.

P-edit: ninja'd

[BBmolla]

Lemme make catboi sweat

[BBmolla]

Also consider that maf and traitor dont know each other

[Jake from State Farm]

where is jake

I was at the bluebird cafe if you must know. I did declare v/la, glad to see you are reading.

[rmpeacoc]

sigh. I came back to check on things and I'm really disappointed that rob here ruined it all. Clearly my idea won't work.

UNVOTE:

I was trying to get catboi to talk. I didn't know that GIF would come back and vote jump on the bw. I felt that one vote on him wouldn't do much. I did want to do some scumhunting in the lurkers, however as I said Jake was opportunistic as fuck and he's V/LA so he wouldn't have a reaction for at least a few days. I would never bandwagon as a serious vote like that, especially with lurking as my only reason.

I still don't get how you could possibly think bubba and I are partners or that it's one or the other. I do see how you could think it is bubba but I think I have done a fair amount of scumhunting and looking at others.

Also rob, as far as BBmolla (not that your opinion is something I can believe. I prefer not to use meta the way you are) is concerned he even admitted that my suspicion is warranted, and I only brought it up again in response to fuzzy's comment that there was nothing else to hunt in other than bubba and I.

As I said to BBmolla, in case you didn't read (clearly you didn't understand what I was saying to fuzzy), is that I find it suspicious, but not necessarily scummy. again, he said that it was warranted.

You don't feel at all that the pressure on me is opportunistic?

I'd really like a list of things that you find scummy that I've done (except for the original reaction on the wagon of course).

Rmp and Bubba are looking hella suspicious and Dav/Fuzzy is looking hella town lately, which is a big shift in my read of him. Bubba and Rmp are maintaining basically "leaning scum" reads on each other while solidly defending each other. That's highly questionable at best. Bubba had a few really bad logical leaps in there too. I specifically recall an appeal to probability (We're two EM players...it'd be pretty crazy if we were scum together), but there were others as well.

As far as this, I don't see bubba ever saying I was leaning scum. I said that I was leery of him. I'll always be leery of him. As far as us 'solidly defending each other', I personally haven't defended bubba once. I defended the way that people are seeing us 'buddying' in the sense that we are friends. However I did say that I can see where bubba could be buddying me, having jumped on fuzzy at the beginning. AS far as my opinions of fuzzy go, they might be the same as fuzzy but that is purely coincidental, and yes it is probably because we are both EMers and we have similar thinking on scumtells. Also the point was not 'were 2 people from em' it was that we're friends and we're too obvious to be scum partners. I mean think about it. Do you really think you just caught 2 scum at the beginning of the game? I'm personally not that big of an idiot. I also never would have reacted the way that I did if I was scum. I would have very much tried to keep my cool. But of course you have no meta on me so you don't know that.

BBMolla has made some good points since I had originally planned to go to bed. He has the right idea I think.

Rob takes the obvious tells over the subtle ones, I think.

Like I said I just would think about the idea that you caught 2 scum at the start of day... or even by now. It's not all that likely.

However I do see where bubba or GIF could be. GIF mostly because of the recent bw, bubba because I can see how you would think he is buddying me.

Anyway I unvoted for now because I can't reaction test with Rob there making me explain myself. I wasn't going for a lynch. If I was going for a lynch I'd have true reasoning.

Still thinking Fuzzy is scum. Want to hear more from others.

[GuyInFreezer]

And what a good reason.

Is this sarcasm? I'm horrible at sensing one.

[GuyInFreezer]

I was trying to get catboi to talk. I didn't know that GIF would come back and vote jump on the bw.

I felt that one vote on him wouldn't do much.

I did want to do some scumhunting in the lurkers, however as I said Jake was opportunistic as fuck and he's V/LA so he wouldn't have a reaction for at least a few days. I would never bandwagon as a serious vote like that, especially with lurking as my only reason.

Explain the bolded part to me. Whose vote?

[rmpeacoc]

bubba isn't typically that sarcastic. Correct me if I'm wrong bubba, but I believe that was serious...

[rmpeacoc]

BBMolla's vote on Catboi. So I jumped on because he was lurk-y and I wanted him to talk.

[GuyInFreezer]

oh ok. I thought you were talking about your vote.

[rmpeacoc]

oh no, I mean that I voted him to add a little pressure to molla's vote, mostly because I was starting to trust him as town.

[Rob14]

Do you really think posting at someone who hasn't visited the site at all in the past day or two will spontaneously make them show up? Same question at BBmolla as well, actually.

Bah. I'm flip-flopping on rmp. He's sending me mixed signals. Definitely not today's lynch either way; I'll sort out whether he's a good lynch target at all in a future day. Today's lynch is Bubba.

[rmpeacoc]

Rob- Sometimes it works...

[Rob14]

So someone who hasn't visited the site at all recently. Voting them will spontaneously trigger some alarm in the back of that person's mind and send them rushing to a computer to log into the site that they've more-or-less flaked off of. Do I have that right?

Maybe this is an EM thing. Do you guys over there consider lurking to be scummy? Because it isn't, in my opinion. Only active lurking or lurking in one game while posting in others is scummy.

[Rob14]

Actually, BBmolla should know better than that. What gives molla?

[BBmolla]

Actually, BBmolla should know better than that. What gives molla?

?

[bubbajack8]

Rob. Humor me for a second. I'm town, who is scum.

Maybe this is an EM thing. Do you guys over there consider lurking to be scummy? Because it isn't, in my opinion. Only active lurking or lurking in one game while posting in others is scummy.

I agree with this, it is an EM thing, because EM is a 5-10 minute game. you can sit at your computer 5-10 minutes.

Rob, the only people hardcore buddying are you and fuzzy. You keep saying he is town and I am scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

Applebees wifi is great.
Lurking is not a scum tell, so stop trying to push it as one. I'll post some later tonight. I'm at a convention.
P-edit:
Hello pot. Meet kettle.

[rmpeacoc]

we aren't saying that lurking is a scum tell, we are saying that there is likely scum IN the lurkers. there is a difference.

Honestly I just want people to participate. I figured that this was what BBMolla was doing, hence why I jumped on his vote.

[fuzzybutternut]

Ah. I misunderstood then.
Admittedly, I havent read much since last night.

[bubbajack8]

RMP I never said scum was in the lurkers, I said maybe a traitor.

fuzzy, where have i said rmp is town fuzzy/rob is scum?

Rob even says we keep eachother at null slight scum, so i refuse to meet the kettle.