Newbie 1371: Max Steel, Max Finished!

[patzer]

@Patzer When Majiffy said "Yep" I think he might be referring to a case I made about you based on that post.

Can you show me that case please, and say whether you still agree with it?

[freezing-hell]

I agree with one point on that case: the initial PhD vote.

Forgot this one. Why don't you think the other points he raised are scummy then? "Nice try" is a bit too short a response for that.

[PhDScar]

After re-reading patzer's post 133 (how did i miss it in the first place? X_X) yeah this kinda looks odd to me
VOTE: PhD
Maybe additional pressure will help

Additional pressure will help what exactly?

Telling you would spoil the fun

No i'm saying he's diverting attention to someone else who's been scumhunting by reaction testing rather than scumhunting himself.

These two both seem like very scummy reactions. The first one blows off a serious question as a joke the second is just not true.

I want to ask you something. Basically all of your posts since i voted have been questions made directly to me. Why? You are paying little to no attention to the rest of the game. I would understand if you thought I was scum and were trying to get me lynched but you're not apparently you think I'm town.

[Does Bo Know]

Because I don't want to give Patzer the option of repeating my conclusions.

So I'll catch up tomorrow.

[freezing-hell]

In case it wasn't clear yet, I'm going through the players one by one. At the end of it, I'll place my vote. I'll post the rest of my reads tomorrow, though.

@Patzer, not sure if someone else asked this. I'm still catching up and stuff so please excuse me if I missed the answer already.
Why didn't you vote for Majiffy? You said he's possible scummy. So why not vote him? I understand your reluctance to vote for Sakura as she'd be at L-1 ( nothing wrong with being on L-1, btw. I'm pretty sure no one would accidentily hammer. Someone would first have to state intent to hammer, and let Sakura claim role + let her do her last defense).

[PhDScar]

@Patzer When Majiffy said "Yep" I think he might be referring to a case I made about you based on that post.

Can you show me that case please, and say whether you still agree with it?

Here you go

I'd be willing to go for Patzer if you find yourself with a PhD town read. Seen some posts by him I didn't particularly enjoy.

Why do find Patzer suspicious? I too have a bad feeling about him but I doubt it's for the same reason, similar maybe but not the same.

On page six Patzer harassed me repeatedly over the issue of "lying". A fact I argued with him over for basically the entire page. In one of his more recent posts he did a completely unexplained 180 claiming I appear neutral on page six.

I reread the thread from page 6.
Now PhD is looking neutral. His posts have been natural, and I could easily see him being town. slight FoS on Sakura, she has said some things that may be coming from a scum point of view, but not certain by any means. I'm not sure what to do now, I don't have any major reads and from my past experience here that is regarded as a scumtell...

This appears suspicious to me. Pazter seems to be using weaker arguments to jump onto my wagon, only to claim I was neutral when the wagon fell apart.

Also what's your opinion on a Patzer/ Sakura scum team?

I could see a possible Patzer/ Sakura scum team. There's been barely any interaction between the two, and pazter barely commented on Sakura in the first place, despite a wagon forming on her.

I agree with it but that doesn't mean I think you're that scummy and I really don't agree with most Majiffy's post about you.

[Sakura Hana]

@PhD: Because you were the one refusing to answer them, remember I already asked DBK and he replied, and freezing-hell hasn't replied either, but he's catching up, so i guess that's why.

P-Edit: Now that you mentioned Patzer shifted towards Majiffy when you mentioned the possibility of him being scum team with me?

[PhDScar]

P-Edit: Now that you mentioned Patzer shifted towards Majiffy when you mentioned the possibility of him being scum team with me?

Not sure what that means.

[patzer]

@Patzer, not sure if someone else asked this. I'm still catching up and stuff so please excuse me if I missed the answer already.
Why didn't you vote for Majiffy? You said he's possible scummy. So why not vote him? I understand your reluctance to vote for Sakura as she'd be at L-1 ( nothing wrong with being on L-1, btw. I'm pretty sure no one would accidentily hammer. Someone would first have to state intent to hammer, and let Sakura claim role + let her do her last defense).

I prefer a Sakura lynch to a Majiffy lynch, because I think the chances of Majiffy being town and Sakura being scum are greater than the chances of Sakura being town and Majiffy being scum.

[Sakura Hana]

typo lol this is how it's supposed to read (bolded the changed part)

P-Edit: Now that you

mention it

Patzer shifted towards Majiffy when you mentioned the possibility of him being scum team with me?

What do I mean by that? I'll just note it for later, as I don't see it being a major relevance atm.

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: Patzer responses

My replies in yellow.

This should be entertaining.

I was actually considering the argument that you might be town because both in that game and this one you were being highly aggressive towards townies. But then I decided against it because, firstly, your posting style here seems a bit different, although I can't pinpoint what it is. Plus you're quite experienced so your scum and town styles are going to be quite similar.

Translation: "I umm umm was like um going to ummm do that? but like umm I guess like uhhh I guess it wasn't like really a very good umm point so I didn't. But I was going to, so this point is like totally refuted!"

what? Are you suggesting that only scum jump onto wagons? Is there a reason why a town player shouldn't vote for someone they think is most likely scum, just because some else has voted for them?

There's a difference in how scum and town hop on wagons. Yours was the former.

I'm not sure what this means...?

Wagon is at L-1. Suddenly, you're unvoting at the peak momentum and considering hopping onto a counterwagon, so that when PhD flips town you can go "look I tried to stop it, oh btw this other person is scum totally not me at all no sir the person the counterwagon formed on is scum lets get them"

Again, what are you trying to say here?

PhD wagon loses momentum. Suddenly PhD is "kinda lookin town well hey what do you know", and [enter vague arguments for why I'm going to join the next wagon that might look viable here].

Initially, I was just going to argue about you promising reasons for me being scum, without giving them. If you want to try to start a wagon on someone, you explain it in the same post, not a day later. While I was looking back at tose posts, I saw your lack of votes on Sakura, so delved a bit deeper. Also see my answer below.

Protip: being busy is not a scumtell. Neither is being lazy. Nor is needing some poking and proding for productivity.

Your "delving deeper" is a really pathetically bad attempt to paint both of us as scum by way of associative tells with two unflipped players.

I don't believe you have yet said why she is your town read.

I think I have, actually. Or at the very least, have clearly stated that I had her as town; you've noted so much yourself.

So I make a fairly substantial case against you, and all you can say is "Lol"?

If by "fairly substantial", you mean "blowhard scum OMGUS", yes.

Why do you believe my arguments not legitimate, just because I made them while you were attacking me?

What makes you think my statement was limited to just your arguments regarding me? I'm talking about

everything you've done so far.

Yes, you read that right.

Everything

.

Aside from my arguments against you and Sakura that you're prepared to completely dismiss without reason, there is this.

That falls under defensive. He's talking about you.

So, just because my arguments were made while you were attacking me, you're prepared to completely ignore them, dismissing them with a "Lol".

No, I'm dismissing your arguments with a "Lol" because that's about all they're worth.

[Majiffy]

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

Because the rest of your read is meh to me. The Meta argument is the only thing i had a strong enough reaction that made me want to respond.

That was like one of the most mediocre asides in the whole thing. What the fuck. Stop making me want to lynch the everliving shit out of you.

@Patzer When Majiffy said "Yep" I think he might be referring to a case I made about you based on that post.

No, it was a continuation of the opportunism noted in the quote before.

[Majiffy]

I prefer a Sakura lynch to a Majiffy lynch, because I think the chances of Majiffy being town and Sakura being scum are greater than the chances of Sakura being town and Majiffy being scum.

"I'm going to continue to play this game based off associative tells on two unflipped players, because that allows me to recklessly tunnel for two days on players I know are town, essentially avoiding any discussion or interaction with any other playerslots, and then just going 'dunno, lol!' on day 3"

[PhDScar]

Why are you ignoring the rest of my argument for why he's scum?

Because the rest of your read is meh to me. The Meta argument is the only thing i had a strong enough reaction that made me want to respond.

That was like one of the most mediocre asides in the whole thing. What the fuck. Stop making me want to lynch the everliving shit out of you.

@Patzer When Majiffy said .

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[PhDScar]

Fuck. May have hit submit instead of preview.
Anyway all I wanted to say was how is pointing out a weak point in your case a reason to lynch me?

[Majiffy]

No, ignoring the rest of the case, along with your general uselessness, anti-town behavior and shockingly low level of intelligence is a reason to lynch you.

[Majiffy]

Thankfully, for you, I'd rather lynch scum than push a policy lynch at this current juncture. Vote Patzer.

[Nachomamma8]

Votecount 1.7:

Does Bo Know (1): ArcAngel9
PHDScar (1): anorway
Sakura Hana (3): TMTOLBTWNTOF, freezing-hell, Does Bo Know
patzer (1): Majiffy

Not Voting (3): patzer, Sakura Hana, PHDScar

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-27 12:00:00)
About 12 hours before Arc is replaced.

[ArcAngel9]

OMG, Don't replace me NACHO..
I thought i made posts after prod.. I ll check. Sorry

[freezing-hell]

I apologize for the inactivity, i have been busy with work and stuff.. will catch up today or mostly by tomorrow.

That's the only post you had after the prod.

[Sakura Hana]

freezing-hell I'm still looking for an answer to this:

i'd like to ask a question to all people voting me. Is there at present, still any reason why you think I'm scum? and if so what is said reason?

@Mod: Votecount please?

[Sakura Hana]

EBWOP: Ops nvm that votecount, just saw it, jeesh im blind X_X

[Sakura Hana]

@Patzer, not sure if someone else asked this. I'm still catching up and stuff so please excuse me if I missed the answer already.
Why didn't you vote for Majiffy? You said he's possible scummy. So why not vote him? I understand your reluctance to vote for Sakura as she'd be at L-1 ( nothing wrong with being on L-1, btw. I'm pretty sure no one would accidentily hammer. Someone would first have to state intent to hammer, and let Sakura claim role + let her do her last defense).

I prefer a Sakura lynch to a Majiffy lynch, because I think the chances of Majiffy being town and Sakura being scum are greater than the chances of Sakura being town and Majiffy being scum.

Why do you think I'm scum?

Also, i'm not quite one to Lynch lurkers, but i'd really like to get some opinions from ArcAngel in here, since i got nothing but a null read on her atm due to her lack of content.

VOTE: ArcAngel

I wanna see some reads from you.

[Nachomamma8]

Votecount 1.8:

Does Bo Know (1): ArcAngel9
PHDScar (1): anorway
Sakura Hana (3): TMTOLBTWNTOF, freezing-hell, Does Bo Know
patzer (1): Majiffy
ArcAngel9 (1): Sakura Hana

Not Voting (2): patzer, PHDScar

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-05-27 12:00:00)

[Does Bo Know]

I'm falling behind again dammit.