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because the guilty's not 100% reliable and he wanted a reaction?
keep your mind on sakura scum, don't get distracted by your OMGUS tendencies.

In post 375, Oil Tycoons wrote:because the guilty's not 100% reliable and he wanted a reaction?
keep your mind on sakura scum, don't get distracted by your OMGUS tendencies.

I tend to OMGUS but a claim?

A partial claim is just town wanting a reaction? Are you nuts?

All I see is scum expecting to get the town's second strongest scumread player lynched with a bullshit gambit.
If he was town he wouldn't have problems with a full claim and going after the lynch on me. Note that he only keeps his vote on me but makes cases against everyone else.

And if the guilty was not 100% reliable then why mention it or claim at all?
"Hey guys I sort of have a guilty on X player"
That just turns the day into a shitstorm of WIFOM and that's not what town should do at all.

Oil Tycoons wrote:We are Marth. Our first ability is "I say when it ends!" which means that if we would be nightkilled, we will instead die at the end of the next day. We got a message this morning saying we will die at the end of today. We were nightkilled during the night.

Sucks to be you. What was so urgent about reading us (when you and us are a typical N1 kill regardless of who is scum) that it couldn't wait for you to see Syryana's read on me + our posts on D1 + tell DTMaster he's wrong?

Oil Tycoons wrote:

In post 364, Jabberwock wrote:tl;dr you're faking a scumread on me + omg I am living on borrowed time

"we got killed last night and i'm a tiny bit paranoid that you killed me"
is a declaration that should not result in
"you're faking a scumread on us with 'living on borrowed time!'" crap

it is a declaration that should result in
"how do you know you were killed last night? why aren't you dead if you were killed? why the hell would you ever have a scumread on me because I am town as fuck?"
questions, not poor suspicions. please don't tell me you truly are scum, tierce.
also where is empire?

I assumed a pseudo-claim of Poison effect--you said you were going to die at the end of the Day. Try again. You're the kind of person who says he wants to fake scumreads on me to force me to look absurdly Town. First assumption is that you are being lazy (or pretend to be) to force me to look Town ASAP--"we only have until the end of the Day so get going". But it bothers me that you come in with this when Syryana has already made plenty clear that he thinks we are Town (in a way that bothers me because it's almost a carbon copy of his immediate read on me in Maf.Raptured), and I to go read D1 because we Town as fuck. Plus you didn't post images of puppies.

Empire is doing whatever. Probably sleep. I don't expect normal people to be awake before 1 pm when they don't have obligations.



I want a bullet between Saki's eyes just on principle. Good grief.

Oh and
VOTE: DTMaster
Explain or my vote is staying for the rest of today.

In post 377, Jabberwock wrote:Sucks to be you. What was so urgent about reading us (when you and us are a typical N1 kill regardless of who is scum) that it couldn't wait for you to see Syryana's read on me + our posts on D1 + tell DTMaster he's wrong?

DTM figures out he's wrong when we claim.
I know Syryana's read on you. He thought you were town yesterday. I leaned towards you being town yesterday. That doesn't mean I'm going to give you a free pass...? The N1 kill comment was mostly a joke, but the way you responded to it was extremely fucking strange.

In post 377, Jabberwock wrote:I assumed a pseudo-claim of Poison effect--you said you were going to die at the end of the Day.

I said we were killed yesterday. That means that we were killed yesterday, not that we were poisoned. Killed.

In post 377, Jabberwock wrote:But it bothers me that you come in with this when Syryana has already made plenty clear that he thinks we are Town (in a way that also bothers me because it's almost a carbon copy of his immediate read on me in Maf.Raptured), and I did tell you to go read D1 because we are Town as fuck. Plus you didn't post images of puppies.

I read D1 already. Surprises of surprise, no one did anything that was horrendously amazing except for Andy but it was amazing in a herp derp way.

In post 378, Saki wrote:or my vote is staying for the rest of today

What a truly terrifying thought.

No, he's not going to explain. And he shouldn't have to. Coming in on D2 saying "this person is probably scum because of a missed NK" is as Town as it gets. What does he have to gain if he's scum, regardless of your alignment? "Hahaha, sorry, I got it wrong, my bad, don't lynch me Tomorrow!" Scum don't open with a partial claim and a guilty, and a partial claim and a guilty . It's high risk and low reward for scum. You're incredibly lynchable in this game if you're Town. Would scum DTMaster put himself in the line of fire to push a mislynch on one of the easiest lynches in the playerlist? No. Would I be wary if he claimed this on Oil Tycoons? Yes, because that would be . Scum don't claim guilties on D2 to lynch people who are most likely already going to be lynched.

Whatever, Nacho. I don't really have the patience and I'm not going to exhaust myself looking all pristine for your sake. If you're living on borrowed time, start analyzing what is available.

In post 346, DTMaster wrote:Nat also needs to die: 177 is a clear distance from the TIP lynch. With a town flip - he is distance man and supportive on the lynch. Scum trait. Qualifies for scum dat is off said wagon. Will read for scum on said wagon after I (sober) get some rest.

Saki's death must quench me. Pretend I'm Edgeworth and I used LOGIC AND REASONS (or Chess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-a60ITJ2Ko)

The sort of self-absorbed reaction by Natirasha to your dayvig gambit also caught my attention. I commented on it in twilight talking to Syr. I'm leaning town. My town-Natirasha model is still pretty bare-bones, but I'm going with it. Intricate game designs are shiny things to him, so it makes sense to me that he'd put most of his focus on that aspect of the game.

In post 363, Oil Tycoons wrote:I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

:/

You know what role I didn't draw, then.

hi ffery.
we just broke tierce and we expected we would be skipping through a field of daisies with them. i am going to lay out my thought process with what just happened, tell me what you think of it.

In post 383, morph the cat wrote:

In post 363, Oil Tycoons wrote:I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

:/

You know what role I didn't draw, then.

Fery, I love you. You fill the hole in my heart left by Tierce-scum. I'm bleeding, and you're my bandaid. Thank you.

Speaking of which, while Nacho's doing that, I need to go torture some puppies. And post gifs of such. Brb.

In post 385, Oil Tycoons wrote:Tierce-scum

You have to be delusional if you think this is Tierce-scum after Stack the Deck.

In post 387, Jabberwock wrote:

In post 385, Oil Tycoons wrote:Tierce-scum

You have to be delusional if you think this is Tierce-scum after Stack the Deck.

Honey-child, I've been accused of many things in my storied, sensational career. Sanity was not one of them.

In post 367, Oil Tycoons wrote:We are Marth. Our first ability is "I say when it ends!" which means that if we would be nightkilled, we will instead die at the end of the next day. We got a message this morning saying we will die at the end of today. We were nightkilled during the night.

In post 385, Oil Tycoons wrote:

In post 383, morph the cat wrote:

In post 363, Oil Tycoons wrote:I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

:/

You know what role I didn't draw, then.

Fery, I love you. You fill the hole in my heart left by Tierce-scum. I'm bleeding, and you're my bandaid. Thank you.

You need a bit more than a band-aid.

I guess I better finally break down and meta scum-Tierce.

Hold on tight, fer-fer. Nacho's making his case atm.

*deep breath*

Sorry. I've been in a lousy mood for the past few days due to a deranged sleep schedule or lack thereof. The way that Yesterday turned out doesn't help, and we have very few appreciable reads in this game. Nacho opening this game with what read like an elaborate gambit to try and push me when I'm already obvTown irritates me further, especially because it read as a distraction on DTMaster's push on Saki. Saki being whatever irritates me further. I've been on edge about Mafia and it shows, and I feel like pulling an Empire and going off to sulk after that D1 quickhammer.

I'm not about to appease you, Nachyana. My role PM tells me I don't need to, and our play Yesterday should be evidence enough and I don't need that lovely Nacho Townread that carries me the rest of the game. But if you are going to die at the end of the Day, we should pool efforts. Why are morph the cat Town?

In post 363, Oil Tycoons wrote:I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

At the time of this post, I was seriously excited to draw the N1 kill with this baller role, excited that maybe finally I would be town with tierce for a change. But Tierce has been with me in Stack the Deck where I ended up dying as the N1 kill and she went on as scum, so she should know that maybe I will be a tiny bit paranoid. And yes, I do draw N1 kills, but it is a tiny bit strange that I drew the N1 kill when I was not around (Syr made it into thread AFTER the lynch) when power players such as Tierce were around and doing things and apparently obvtown. So this is essentially Syr and I establishing ourselves as confirmed town who are reaching out to Tierce/Empire with the promise of protecting them with our dying breath so that we can lynch all of the scum together, which is sort of how I imagined this game.

Tierce's reaction is something that's more along the lines of "wait you guys were poisoned?? why didn't you say this before?" and senseless paranoia instead of "oh, you guys are confirmed town let's lynch scum together". She asks us "what's so urgent about reading us?" which doesn't make any semblance of sense in either Syr's or my mind or the fact that she still isn't working with us after we essentially established ourselves as confirmed town by declaring that we will die by the end of the next day which is a extremely verifiable fact, and that makes us uncomfortable. It's not a gambit. We want to work with you, but I still have my concerns about you because you are becoming a more capable scum player and I don't know how fast you're making improvements and where, so when things ping for me, like when your reaction to us being nightkilled during the night but being alive today being "sucks for you" when it should be "that's awesome let's wreck this game together" is something that needs to be pursued.

In post 392, Jabberwock wrote:Nacho opening this game with what read like an elaborate gambit to try and push me when I'm already obvTown

Tierce. We die tonight. This is confirmable. Why the fuck would we make an elaborate gambit just to fuck with you, particularly when a lie of that sort would become immediately obvious the following Day phase?

In post 377, Jabberwock wrote:You're the kind of person who says he wants to fake scumreads on me to force me to look absurdly Town.

I just want to clear the air on this one:
I I want to fake scumreads on you to force you to look absurdly town. I do not because it's a game-damaging move and I won't throw you off your game for absolutely no reason. In this case, I want you established as confirmed town beyond a shadow of a doubt because I do not want to waste this day being influenced by scum-you and then protecting you during the night. I want scum to die today, I want scum to die tomorrow, and I want the last scum to sit there with his hands up because it is completely fucking hopeless. So yes it is slight paranoia and yes you are probably town at this point in time but please don't crumple when I am reassuring yourself about your towniness. You wouldn't have to deal with this if you didn't break my heart, but betrayal always comes with a price <3

In post 393, Oil Tycoons wrote:

In post 363, Oil Tycoons wrote:I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

At the time of this post, I was seriously excited to draw the N1 kill with this baller role, excited that maybe finally I would be town with tierce for a change. But Tierce has been with me in Stack the Deck where I ended up dying as the N1 kill and she went on as scum, so she should know that maybe I will be a tiny bit paranoid. And yes, I do draw N1 kills, but it is a tiny bit strange that I drew the N1 kill when I was not around (Syr made it into thread AFTER the lynch) when power players such as Tierce were around and doing things and apparently obvtown. So this is essentially Syr and I establishing ourselves as confirmed town who are reaching out to Tierce/Empire with the promise of protecting them with our dying breath so that we can lynch all of the scum together, which is sort of how I imagined this game.

Tierce's reaction is something that's more along the lines of "wait you guys were poisoned?? why didn't you say this before?" and senseless paranoia instead of "oh, you guys are confirmed town let's lynch scum together". She asks us "what's so urgent about reading us?" which doesn't make any semblance of sense in either Syr's or my mind or the fact that she still isn't working with us after we essentially established ourselves as confirmed town by declaring that we will die by the end of the next day which is a extremely verifiable fact, and that makes us uncomfortable. It's not a gambit. We want to work with you, but I still have my concerns about you because you are becoming a more capable scum player and I don't know how fast you're making improvements and where, so when things ping for me, like when your reaction to us being nightkilled during the night but being alive today being "sucks for you" when it should be "that's awesome let's wreck this game together" is something that needs to be pursued.

Does paranoia explain the reaction?

I wouldn't put it past Syr in terms of day 2 gambiting, but it's not something I associate with Nacho, town or scum.

In post 393, Oil Tycoons wrote:And yes, I do draw N1 kills, but it is a tiny bit strange that I drew the N1 kill when I was not around (Syr made it into thread AFTER the lynch) when power players such as Tierce were around and doing things and apparently obvtown. So this is essentially Syr and I establishing ourselves as confirmed town who are reaching out to Tierce/Empire with the promise of protecting them with our dying breath so that we can lynch all of the scum together, which is sort of how I imagined this game.

...

THAT is the strangeness. I'm not talking to a wall, Nacho. The fact that it was strange and the fact that this is the kind of stuff you pull to get me to act is what made me conclude this was a gambit. Which would be a really ridiculous conclusion to make if I were scum--it's convoluted paranoia, and while I faked paranoia as scum, this was rather off-the-wall.

Oil Tycoons wrote:when your reaction to us being nightkilled during the night but being alive today being "sucks for you" when it should be "that's awesome let's wreck this game together" is something that needs to be pursued.

If you were genuinely killed and are alive, yes, then yay. It was the gambit vibe that was annoying. Put yourself in my position. You're obvTowning, you you are obvious Town (Empire actually congratulated me in looking Town from our first post, so yay for that ^_^), the Day ends in a derp lynch on someone you had a scumread but was less than 24h in with several missing players, we go into Night with few established reads, and then someone who has been known to bug you about your Townieness comes into the next Day with what looks for all practical effects like a gambit that derails a good Town push and puts distracting pressure on me instead of bothering to read the evidence already in the thread. THAT is annoying and frustrating. But okay, you're not gambiting, sucks you're going to die, but yay you're alive for now. I need a few moments to be stewing about this. (Puppies would help, hint hint.)

Oil Tycoons wrote:You wouldn't have to deal with this if you didn't break my heart, but betrayal always comes with a price <3

Well you did say you didn't think YOLOville was my breakthrough scum game~