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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:20 am

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Five of us left.
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CTD - Malfoy, Saint
CK - Snape, (JOAT?)
FA - Sirius, Doctor
Lowell - Hermione, Death Tracker
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:37 am

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Holy hell, read CTD's posting history.

If he's a saint, I'm a monkey.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:07 am

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Frozen Atlantic wrote: I say we read the game again knowing who the scums are. Is there a chance Malfoy's a godfather and Snape got a bad read on him?
Dude, are you retarded? I'm serious. Are you actually retarded? I slipped him veritaserum during the night and the mod disclosed his role. Do you not recall veritaserum? I DIDN'T 'GET A READ ON HIM'; THE MOD TOLD US HIS GODDAMN ROLE.

You're scum, and you're stupid. Of all of the claimed townies to try to make a case against, why did you pick the one completely confirmed townie? Why? Oh right, you're retarded.

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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:21 am

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Hey, genius? A godfather will not read "Godfather". He will read town. You are just as fallible as any other cop.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:06 pm

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Wow...just wow. Let me try to explain this in smaller words so that you understand what's going on.

I didn't investigate him. The mod put his role PM in the day opening post for everyone in the town to see. It's not a cop investigation, it's the mod posting his role PM. I'm going to say this one more time, because even though it's clear what happened, you don't seem to be getting it.
The. Moderator. Posted. CTD's. Role. PM.


It wasn't a cop investigation, and even though you keep saying it in different words, that doesn't mean I did a cop investigation. I used my power (something I can do at night) to have to moderator (the moderator is the person who disperses roles amongst the players and runs the game) post (put in the forum) CTD (the player in question)'s role (flavor, ability and alignment) on the day one post.

Did I say it enough times for you to understand it this time?

I guess what I don't understand is why you think it was a cop investigation in the first place. The day one post was
"this person died in the night, blah blah blah. As CTD eats, he takes a sip of his pumpkin juice, then he says *insert ROLE PM here*"

I didn't even make the goddamn post and you're assuming that it was my cop investigation of all things. What kind of bastardmodding would it be if the cop's results were announced to the town every morning? Basically, what I get from your posts are "Blah blah I need a case against someone, ok, let's go for CTD because the non-cop's cop investigation must be false [even though it wasn't a cop investigation, it was a disclosure of the player's role PM BY THE MODERATOR]. No, this isn't transparent at all!"

Did I say that enough? Not that it matters, because you're scum, but I'm just curious if you actually understand what an enormous faux pas that was.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:47 pm

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Well, look, let's close this silly debate - I'm more than willing to cast the final vote on Malfoy if the town doesn't mind losing their doc. Now that I'm willing to STAKE MY LIFE on getting you to consider this with an open mind, maybe you could do it?

Wanna know why Malfoy is number one on my list? Not any crazy role mechanics, not any strange deductions or weirdness. Old school, dude. I OBSERVED HIS ACTIONS instead of being a flavor whore. So, here's what I want? You think questioning your almighty role power makes me scum? Fine. Go for it. I want you to
read my posting history
like I've read all of yours and post some constructive information that backs up your argument instead of floating by on your role claim with a bunch of screaming like you've been doing so far.

If I was scum trying to lynch ANYBODY, I would have pressed (derrr) the guy with the vigging power, kept my protect information, and not had you up my butt. But know what? It's my job to pursue the CORRECT lynch. Not the easy one.

It's been an entirely flavor based game, dude.

Voldemort = bad.
Crabbe = bad.
Goyle = bad.

If you want to convince the town that there's a mafia consisting of Crabbe, Goyle, and Harry's Godfather, you go right on ahead, sillypants.

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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:21 pm

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Frozen Atlantic wrote:Wanna know why Malfoy is number one on my list? Not any crazy role mechanics, not any strange deductions or weirdness. Old school, dude. I OBSERVED HIS ACTIONS instead of being a flavor whore. So, here's what I want? You think questioning your almighty role power makes me scum? Fine. Go for it. I want you to read my posting history like I've read all of yours and post some constructive information that backs up your argument instead of floating by on your role claim with a bunch of screaming like you've been doing so far.
I don't have to read your posting history. You could be excellent at playing scum, I don't care, personally. What you just said, right there, to me, is a dead give-away that you're scum. Why? Because you are going after the easy lynch. Malfoy can't be confirmed by any actions that have happened at night by virtue of the fact that he has night actions. You have to take the moderator's word that she (she being the moderator) has posted his actual role PM. And...as you said later, this is a flavor based game. The flavor of my veritaserum power is that it would reveal anyone's role, flavor, and alignment. Somehow I don't think anyone would be immune to veritaserum simply because they are the godfather. Oh, and let me say this again, because obviously reading is not your strong suit: IT WASN'T A COP INVESTIGATION. Thank you.
Frozen Atlantic wrote:If I was scum trying to lynch ANYBODY, I would have pressed (derrr) the guy with the vigging power, kept my protect information, and not had you up my butt. But know what? It's my job to pursue the CORRECT lynch. Not the easy one.
posted earlier:
CTD - Malfoy, Saint
CK - Snape, (JOAT?)
FA - Sirius, Doctor
Lowell - Hermione, Death Tracker
Scalebane - Lupin, Vigilante

CTD cannot be confirmed because he has no abilities. I have publicly used mine. You have claimed a role that can't be confirmed (coincidence? I think not). Lowell...yeah I dunno. Scalebane vigged some people. Basically, the easy lynch here is CTD because he has nothing to fall back on, if you want to ignore the whole thing about the moderator posting his role PM for the entire town to see because I slipped him veritaserum (which, for the nth time, is not the same as a cop investigation). You're pretty much backed up against a wall here, because everyone is claimed and confirmed except for you. You haven't blocked a kill at night (but you couldn't, being as how you're scum), so you can't say "Oh, but I did this! So I am not scum!".
So basically what I'm saying is that you're lying about not going for the easy lynch. But then again, you are right about it being the correct lynch (for you) because you're not aligned with the town.
I'm also wondering...why would you press the vig? He's a vig. Vigs are pro-town. Are you stupid? Trying to get lynched? What? Since we've pretty much established that you can't read due to your total ignorance of the whole I'm-not-a-cop-and-therefore-the-mod-posting-CTD's-role-PM-isn't-a-cop-investigation thing despite the fact that I've said that like, a million times now, I'm going to have to go with the former.
Frozen Atlantic wrote:It's been an entirely flavor based game, dude.
Thus meaning that my veritaserum trick would by definition disclose the character's full role and alignment, meaning that your entire argument about CTD is moot, meaning that you're scum (but we already knew that).
Frozen Atlantic wrote:If you want to convince the town that there's a mafia consisting of Crabbe, Goyle, and Harry's Godfather, you go right on ahead, sillypants.
You're not Sirius; you're scum, sillypants.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:23 am

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Ok, here's how I see this going:

CTD - Malfoy, Saint
- I'm pretty much in agreement with CK here. This is strictly because of the flavor of veritaserum in the book and the mod posting something that looked exactly like a role PM. However, I'm not going to 100% rule out that he could be scum. Just like 90%.
CK - Snape, JOAT
- Having seen his stuff in action, I'm pretty sure he's pro-town and who he says
FA- Sirius, Doctor
- One of two possible scum
Lowell - Hermione, Death Tracker
- The other of two possible scum (imo)
Scalebane - Vig
- Innocent (duh).

Let's assume that Malfoy is scum. We lynch him today and have FA or lowell put the final vote on him. That leaves 3 alive going into the night: Me, CK and somebody else. I vig whoever is left, and it ends with just me or CK being alive and a win for the town.

Anyone see anything wrong with that?
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:23 am

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By assume that Malfoy is scum, I meant, assume that Malfoy is not scum.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:27 am

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Okay so CK this is what you think happened?

Scalebane kills both DAS and Atticus because he can't decide which is more dangerous. FA kills Atticus because he wants Harry Potter out, explaining why there's no mafia kill?
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:28 am

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(sorry for the triple post here).

That's somewhat the only viable plan. It wouldn't be equally plausible to lynch FA or Lowell because something similar woudn't play out. It's just that I could see this happening if we lynch FA or Lowell and they turn out to be town:

We lynch FA. (4 alive, 1 scum). During the night, the scum hit CK and I hit CTD. If CTD isn't scum, then the scum wins as it would just be the scum and me left.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:35 am

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Waaaaiitt a minute here.

In post 275, right after I outed myself, FA says he "knew I was Hermione."

This was confusing for a doc role, except that he also describes his own PM as saying he "knows Harry Potter to be town". This sounds like a MASON role. Sure enough, Atticus turns up dead as Harry, a MASON cop.

I'm leaning towards believing FAs claim. He did, in fact, reveal himself to be Sirius before others had claimed. A lucky guess, perhaps, but I'm not sold on his scumminess.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:07 am

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Scalebane wrote: Let's assume that Malfoy is scum. We lynch him today and have FA or lowell put the final vote on him. That leaves 3 alive going into the night: Me, CK and somebody else. I vig whoever is left, and it ends with just me or CK being alive and a win for the town.

Anyone see anything wrong with that?
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:42 am

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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:46 am

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Lowell wrote:Waaaaiitt a minute here.

In post 275, right after I outed myself, FA says he "knew I was Hermione."

This was confusing for a doc role, except that he also describes his own PM as saying he "knows Harry Potter to be town". This sounds like a MASON role. Sure enough, Atticus turns up dead as Harry, a MASON cop.

I'm leaning towards believing FAs claim. He did, in fact, reveal himself to be Sirius before others had claimed. A lucky guess, perhaps, but I'm not sold on his scumminess.
I wasn't a mason with Harry. My role PM said I was worried abput him. I wouldn't be worried about scum, would I?

Let's get this show on the road. We need two votes for CTD, and I'll hammer.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:43 pm

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vote CTD

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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:28 pm

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Vote: CTD
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:08 pm

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vote CTD
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Pretty sure this is game. If it isn't, I think Lowell is more town than CK.
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:04 pm

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Too bad, what with Scalebane actually having the say in who he kills at night and you not. Funny how you think that I'm scum when I'm a confirmed townie.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:16 pm

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You have a confirmed power, not a confirmed role. Stop being silly.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:41 pm

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Hum. Let's see what happens.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:53 pm

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Damned if I can get killed by the righteous fury of Widdle Dwaco, anyway.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:53 am

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standard message: apologise for my absence, will post tomorrow.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:13 am

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Frozen Atlantic: I could write a doctoral thesis about everything that would be wrong with Snape being mafia (much less Godfather)
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:16 am

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Well, look.

Assuming Malfoy is town - I don't think he is - and I'm town (which I am and no longer have any reason to lie about)...

The remaining players are Snape, Lupin, and Hermione. I don't even think Snape is a bad guy in the HP canon (we'll see soon enough), but you have to admit that in pure flavor terms, he's "less town" than Lupin or Granger.

In terms of this game, you do have an actionable power that's been demonstrated. Hermione doesn't, and death tracker is a reasonable scum claim. It's also possible Lowell wanted to claim in order to clear himself and bus his scumbuds. It also doesn't make sense that you wouldn't get a scumbud "lucky" and give them an extra kill. Your role power is "more town" than Granger. However, I think Lowell's posts were more productive than yours and helped turn the game.


Anyway, this is all moot. Pretty sure CTD is scum.
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