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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:08 am

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Right, checking in, catching up on the thread. Looks like we're claiming.
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My predecessor apparently targeted Twito day 1 and Meme day 2.
Now lemme go read through the thread.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:15 am

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Right. So I've read through the thread now, and it looks like we're searching for a nightkill-sk/delayed daykill SK: however, as my predecessor's protecting of Twito failed to keep him alive, it would appear I'm now essentially a townie.
We're down to 5, which means we have 2 lynches to hit the SK; however, as the SK's kills are not during the night it might be possible for us to get extra lynches with quicklynches.
Totem seems to me to be the best bet for SK: his entire game seems to be him avoiding attention and trying to fly under the radar (as my predecessor pointed out). AS a SK, he has to survive til the end of the game to win, therefore flying under the radar makes perfet sense. Mafia can win if they are lynched, an SK, by definition, can't.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:30 am

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Let's hold the voting for a bit and discuss claims. Can we use the info gained? Can we use the roles and the mechanics? Hold voting please.

From my side, I am almost sure to believe: ubertimmy and Adele.
I can confirm being role blocked,
ubertimmy: did you try to block me? If so, say when.

problem is theopor_COD and Shanba looks town as well. Not so strong, but still. ( my personal opininon)

If I would vote, I would guess Shanba. But holding for the discussion.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:44 am

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Agreed
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:02 pm

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I did block you one night Totem, but I'd rather you tell me what night it was then me tell you. If you believe me, then give me something so I can believe you. Also, why do you believe Adele's claim?

Shanba, your claim makes no sense: what does this have to do with being a vegas showgirl?

I will give my target list after I hear from Totem.

I agree, we should NOT vote.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:15 pm

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Aye I believe Timmy's role more than Totem's at the moment so I'd prefer him to say which night he was so called blocked.
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:54 pm

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My "looking for a job" choices list:
Day 1 - Sailor Jerry (was mafia) - doesnt know about any vacancies
Day 2 - Blocked - (sick and resting)
Day 3 - Meme (was mason) - doesnt know about any vacancies

I wasn't offered job neither by mafia nor by masons so I am thinking that I might be backup cop, doc.
I am unfamiliar with the theme: who can Cristal Conners be recruited by?
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:44 am

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ubertimmy wrote: Shanba, your claim makes no sense: what does this have to do with being a vegas showgirl?
I was a dancer before I went on survivor.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:29 am

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Totem: I see where you're coming from with the hold off votes thing, however, I think it's unlikely that anyone will be lynched any time soon and my vote is a useful tool of revealing the suspicions to the town.
Of the roleclaims, Timmy's feels to me the strongest: he's probably town. Totem's seems strange to me: you would think there would be some tie in with one of the other roles, which from the role claims and the death scenes there isn't an obvious connection. However, the fact that he knows he's been blocked makes me think it's probable that he had a day action which I doubt the SK would have on top of the nightkill. Of course, it's possible he knew he'd been blocked anyway. Maybe if UT targets Theopor tonight we can learn whether targets with no daychoice will know they've been rbed, mostly confirming Totem and UT.

This means we need them to live. Which puts the lynch choice down to me and Adele. If Adele's target choice were chosen in advance we could get information there too. Her most beneficial target would probably be Theopor: if she dies, we know he's scum. If she lives, we know he's town as either she must be the SK or they must both be town. Either way, we then learn if he's telling the truth or not when asked about whether he received information about UT's roleblock. If he says he does, then Totem and Adele are not cleared and it comes down to the two of them. If he says he doesn't, then Totem must be telling the truth and Adele must be the SK.

But first you would have to lynch me.
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Unfortunately, I've had to make an awful lot of assumptions to come up with that. Most of these assumptions are fairly safe bets (there are not two anti-town blockers, there is only the SK left, the SK doesn't have a day action), but risking the game on assumptions is not how it would be best to end. Which is why I'm not voting myself right away; if someone can see a better plan the now is the time to say so. Otherwise, vote me. But not before everyone agrees to the plan.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:55 pm

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I find that really confusing and am suspicious as a rule of anyone who suggests their own lynch; wouldn't you prefer a no-lynch, Shanba?

I'll try again tomorrow to reread and decipher it all, but there do seem to be some assupmtions in there that seem of the "ok now, but when we hit LyLo we'll revisit the possibilities and panic" variety; am I happy with the idea of clearing someone on the basis of roleclaim alone? Roleclaims are great when it comes to godawful claims that show someone up to be scum; no so great for excellent claims that we're inclined to believe, because some people are good at fake-claiming or are given fake claims by the mod.

Anyway sorry for rambling I'll look at the plan in detail tomorrow.

Anyone feeling lovely, fancy summarising claims?
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:57 pm

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Shanba wrote:
ubertimmy wrote: Shanba, your claim makes no sense: what does this have to do with being a vegas showgirl?
I was a dancer before I went on survivor.
Just out of curiosity: Where?
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:10 am

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Adele wrote:I find that really confusing and am suspicious as a rule of anyone who suggests their own lynch; wouldn't you prefer a no-lynch, Shanba?
From my point of view, a no lynch would be better, yes. However, no-lynch would result in me being unconfirmed tomorrow: a sticky situation as I have already garnered some suspicion. In order to win, I need to make sure my lynch doesn't cost the town the game: better to accept I die today than be lynched tomorrow when there's no room for error. From a purely objective perspective, I need to be out of the way for my plan to work.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:36 pm

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I don't really like Shanba's last few posts, not sure why but alarm bells are ringing.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:47 am

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The fact she ignored Totem's direct question, maybe? That's never great.

Maybe because if we lynched her, then someone died at night (for example if I target theo and he's the SK) then it's a race to whether the lynch goes through in the morning before or after the daykill that'd lose the game the town. So, it'd be really unwise for me to target you tonight because if you
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I'm going to put in an
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:31 am

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unless we no-lynch.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:36 am

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ubertimmy wrote:unless we no-lynch.
But as she herself says, if we no-lynch then the plan doesn't work, because we'd've not eliminated her from our enquiries. Unless she's hoping a good-faith indication that she'd be willing to be lynched would carry her through once we established that we can't
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Back to the drawing board: can anyone see a way to make this plan work, given that if day dawns tomorrow on a 3-man, then that might be the game over?
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:28 pm

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Totem wrote:
Shanba wrote:
ubertimmy wrote: Shanba, your claim makes no sense: what does this have to do with being a vegas showgirl?
I was a dancer before I went on survivor.
Just out of curiosity: Where?
Ugh. I'm bot working with all the information her: every time I get asked a question, the mod sends me a PM telling me what wasn't in the initial one. I was a former Folies Bergere showgirl at the Tropicana.

Adele: You're right, of course. I hadn't taken that into account. Which is annoying, because it means you can't target anyone tonight. A no-lynch so you could use your ability safely would be a bad idea, as we'd only have one lynch to hit the SK. Which undermines pretty much the whole plan.

I can't see any way to use our abilities to win this. Looks like it's back to normal scumhunting, in which case my guess would still be Totem.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:08 pm

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I think after re-reading Totem and Shanba's flavours look dodgiest.

As far as roles go we've got

Theo - Vanilla
Timmy - Blocker
Adele - Hider
Shanba - Doc
Totem - Some kind of recruitable?

Shanba's flavour seems odd, whilst I don't really understand Totem's role claim, would we have a recruitable anything in a game of 12?
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:12 pm

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From my point of view we have:
1. Doc who cannot cure SK attack
2. Hider who cannot hide from SK
3. unconfirmed vanilla townie
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4. Blocker who cannot block SK ( but who blocked me so I consider him confirmed)
5. Backup/recruit who probably missed his chance to gain power ( but will keep looking and finding out more each night)

One of the first 3 must be SK

And the other questions:
a) theopor_COD and Shanba have wierd flavor role.
b) Why both Timmy and Adele are from the same hotel?
c) can we have a lynch before the killer strikes?
d) If hider dies instantly while hiding with SK we can get information from this before Sk kills next night. Can we use this in any way?
e) who should I ask for vacancies next day?
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:27 pm

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All I can say is it's a good job the mafia sucked. Mind we have the serial to thank for that aswell taking Glorky out.
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:07 am

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Wow. I re-read everyone alive's posts, ad I now feel confident enough to
Vote: Totem


Constantly speculating about why the SK killed someone, who the SK is going to kill, talking about how powerful the role that's daykilling is. Sitting back and being noncontributive. Not taking too many risks. Dodgy flavour, too (says the pot to the kettle, I know)

a) The reason my flavour is weird is becuase I didn't receive it all at the beginning, so I've had to give it as I get it.

c) I wouldn't want to risk that. Also, that would lead to a quicklynch which might not be the best plan anyway.

d) Only if we no-lynch or try and quicklych the next day. It's quite risky, and actually, no-lynching so Adele can use her ability seems an unwise plan to me.

e) That's probably up to you. Nothing in my flavour indicates I would recruit anyone, however.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:31 am

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Theo, Timmy, Adele : I really depend on your input here. (Oh, and please don't vote too soon.)
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:48 am

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The day has lasted for pretty much a month. I don't think it's voting hastily.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:59 am

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I need to re-read the whole shamoozle, mind I think it's more likely that Totem is the SK, more than say Shanba/Ameliaslay/BrizziBoi. I'm not convinced be either claims mind.
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:56 pm

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A no-vanilla game's not that unusual. A one-vanilla game, much less so, but it could be justified on the grounds that, no role's repeated (excepting masons obv). A two-vanilla game seems intuitively really odd; it's inelegant.

But if I go down that route, am I going from playing against the other players to playing against the mod?
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