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Well, what the hell is it? If we're not actually responding to each others questions, this last day is going to become a joke.Akbar wrote:Yes, a very good one. Is there a reason why your delaying your claim?Primate wrote:is there a reason you ignored my question and decided to vote so quickly?
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Primate (1): (Akbar)
Not Voting (3): (Aperion, Primate, Shanba)
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Primate (1): (Akbar)
Not Voting (3): (Aperion, Primate, Shanba)
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I am Zero's theme (from Mega Man X for SNES and apparently also for Mega Man Zero for GBA). So no counterclaim unless I seriously missed something.
My ability is One-Shot-Vig. Being a common target at UtopiaTemple where I usually play Mafia, I decided to use it in the first night expecting to die before end-game anyway. I used it on Chamber, but as you can see it didn't work.
My ability is One-Shot-Vig. Being a common target at UtopiaTemple where I usually play Mafia, I decided to use it in the first night expecting to die before end-game anyway. I used it on Chamber, but as you can see it didn't work.
@Apeiron
That's strange, I wonder if Kilmenator blocked you. I wish you had your power still; you could end the game right now.
@Primate
The reason I'm not answering your spring loaded question or playing into your phony confusion is because I already know you’re the last mafia.
You replaced Dragon Mage the night of March 15th. If you were townie and actually had a reason to read the thread, you would have had almost 3 full weeks to read 15 pages. (16 if you count rereading our current discussion) Reading the excitement around lynching mafia and the roleclaiming going on would have yielded this:
@Apeiron & Shanba
If either of you have any doubts about my alignment, look over the last few days of activity. On Day 3, excluding a doctor save, we were lynch or lose. Before Ecto’s claim, I built a case on Remus. On Day 4, after our doc was NKed, we were lynch or lose AGAIN. I went after IH when I saw he was trying to push a No Lynch with our Cop exposed. (Please note: Primate interrupted the IH wagon. When he saw he couldn’t help IH, he tried to play both sides of the fence. He said he believed Shanba was the Mason, but still didn’t vote IH.)
That's strange, I wonder if Kilmenator blocked you. I wish you had your power still; you could end the game right now.
@Primate
The reason I'm not answering your spring loaded question or playing into your phony confusion is because I already know you’re the last mafia.
You replaced Dragon Mage the night of March 15th. If you were townie and actually had a reason to read the thread, you would have had almost 3 full weeks to read 15 pages. (16 if you count rereading our current discussion) Reading the excitement around lynching mafia and the roleclaiming going on would have yielded this:
As you can see, you’re my last suspect. Shanba is the real mason.Ectomancer wrote:Bah.Ok, what is left that I know is my 1 confirmed town is Apeiron. My biggest suspect is Draygen_mage, now Primate based upon the fact that Remus was scum. The interesting area to look at is the exchange with Seol and Draygen starting around page 5, remembering that Remus is scum and Apeiron is innocent.
Waiting on Ameliaslay to show or be replaced now while I look back at everyone else.
@Apeiron & Shanba
If either of you have any doubts about my alignment, look over the last few days of activity. On Day 3, excluding a doctor save, we were lynch or lose. Before Ecto’s claim, I built a case on Remus. On Day 4, after our doc was NKed, we were lynch or lose AGAIN. I went after IH when I saw he was trying to push a No Lynch with our Cop exposed. (Please note: Primate interrupted the IH wagon. When he saw he couldn’t help IH, he tried to play both sides of the fence. He said he believed Shanba was the Mason, but still didn’t vote IH.)
urgh. This is long enough: I'm willing to commit myself now. Akbar: when I read through the scum's posts, there were fairly clear (in retrospect) attempts at distancing. With that pattern in mind, I looked through the posts and saw that the other name that came up a lot in both scums' posts was yours. Which gives me an uneasy feeling
However, the way Primate tried to derail the IH bandwagon and then when he saw things going against IH changed tack with a fairly non-commital post strikes me the wrong way. Also, the point I made earlier in this post is readily explained by the relative activity levels of both players. With that in mind, and because Primate really needs to post,
However, the way Primate tried to derail the IH bandwagon and then when he saw things going against IH changed tack with a fairly non-commital post strikes me the wrong way. Also, the point I made earlier in this post is readily explained by the relative activity levels of both players. With that in mind, and because Primate really needs to post,
Vote: Primate
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Primate was planning on posting tonight. I just lost another game because of stupid people who weren't actually willing to wait for people to post before they decided to lynch, and I repeat that it is possibly the stupidest thing to do in a game of mafia.
If you're willing to throw away this game because you're unable to wait a day, then great, you do that. Just as long as we're clear that it was your fault.
I'll get round to it in a couple of hours.
If you're willing to throw away this game because you're unable to wait a day, then great, you do that. Just as long as we're clear that it was your fault.
I'll get round to it in a couple of hours.
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Hmm. I haven't actually done anything like this in quite a while. I'll just point out the things I feel are notable.
- Day 1, on the Whole: - Throughout the entirety of Day 1, Akbar did barely anything against any of the mafia. There was an offhand comment against Remus in #175, which was never chased up on, and was phrased in a way that ignored all conclusions of the information, merely presenting the information itself. Also in #175, he points out that he is unsure whether PanzerJager is actually scum or not. In #197 he advances that, using PanzerJagers 'admission' of being scum as an excuse to place a vote on Panzer, using the reasoning that Panzer is actively trying to get himself lynched with his play. In his next post he says that he doesn't actually understand the reason Panzer did what he did.
- Day 2: - Throughout the entirety of D2, Akbar was attacking Chamber like a dog, and was a major force in the lynch of the SK. All day, he doesn't put forward any other suspicions on anyone other than the serial killer. Bear in mind that due to the nightkills, mafia were unaware of the existence of a serial killer. Other than that, the day was rather quick.
- Day 3:- At the beginning of D1, he Foses the wagon he was on at the end of yesterday. I would expect town to be a little more happy that the lynch he spent all yesterday driving for actually came up scum. He attacks both Remus and kilmenator solidly, but then drops that wagon quickly, moving into an attack on Kilmenator. This is now the second time (the first being day 1) he has expressed suspicions about Remus and someone else, then promptly gone off to attack the other person instead of remus. He's unquestioning about Ecto's claim, but that's fairly reasonable either way, considering that he was itching for the cop to claim earlier.
- Day 4:- In his first content post of the day, he retracts his comments against IH, based on IH's no lynch argument. Look at the first two paragraphs of his attack, and tell yourself whether it looks like distancing. He then proceeds to attack me, #343 inferring that I am the probable lynch of the day. This is not a suspicion that he has seriously supported at any other point of the game except for now, where it is one that he takes for granted. In #350, he says we are likely to have only one scum left alive, despite in his last post trying to tie me to IH. He calls IH's theories 'outrageous' Look at the severity of Akbars attacks against IH. Ask yourself if it is warranted, or exaggerated. He decided to lynch IH at the end of the day without actually understanding what IH was claiming.
-Day 5:-The only thing I think that's really suspicious about today is the fact that he is totally oblivious to the possibility of Aperion being a godfather.
That's my thoughts about Akbar.
The other consideration I have, though, is the sheer amount of confirmable townies we have. The following model isn't all that unrealistic.
Mason
Mason
Cop
Doc
Cop investigated innocent
Cop investigated innocent
Townie
Sk
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Now, baring in mind that with that amount of confirmed cop innocents, and more importantly, that all lynches must happen out of the bottom 5, that we could effectively be in a place where the town actually cannot lose by day 3. We know that the mafia did not contain a roleblocker, because, aside from logistical things, Ecto was not blocked N3, when there was no reason for the mafia not to, and every reason for them to do so.
So, unless we're dealing with a 3 man mafia group without any form of disruption for the Cop/Doc pair that has auto-won so many games (and in this game has what is effectively two free investigations in the masons), then I think the last scum is a Godfather. The interesting thing is, that if we're assuming the last scum is a godfather, then the kill of the cop last night doesn't really make as much sense as it could. Effectively, it means that the cop investigations that we had previously gathered become worthless, incriminating Aperion. That said, I doubt Aperion is actually scum. He hasn't been acting right. The motive for killing Ectomancer just didn't really work for Akbar, on a rolebased level. The fact is, though, that Ectomancer was, yesterday, the only confirmed person who put forward any suspicion that Akbar might be scum. Shanba was technically the only person who was 100% confirmed, and people had actually put forward minor suspicions of Ectomancer, meaning that he would not actually be able to view himself as cleared in an endgame. So, why was Ecto killed instead of Shanba? Because, Shanba, yesterday, was solidly gunning for me. In an endgame, Ectomancer would have actually had a decision to make, and gone between us. I'm not saying that much thought actually went into it, and it was probably just 'kill the person suspicious of me', but you know what I mean.
- Day 1, on the Whole: - Throughout the entirety of Day 1, Akbar did barely anything against any of the mafia. There was an offhand comment against Remus in #175, which was never chased up on, and was phrased in a way that ignored all conclusions of the information, merely presenting the information itself. Also in #175, he points out that he is unsure whether PanzerJager is actually scum or not. In #197 he advances that, using PanzerJagers 'admission' of being scum as an excuse to place a vote on Panzer, using the reasoning that Panzer is actively trying to get himself lynched with his play. In his next post he says that he doesn't actually understand the reason Panzer did what he did.
- Day 2: - Throughout the entirety of D2, Akbar was attacking Chamber like a dog, and was a major force in the lynch of the SK. All day, he doesn't put forward any other suspicions on anyone other than the serial killer. Bear in mind that due to the nightkills, mafia were unaware of the existence of a serial killer. Other than that, the day was rather quick.
- Day 3:- At the beginning of D1, he Foses the wagon he was on at the end of yesterday. I would expect town to be a little more happy that the lynch he spent all yesterday driving for actually came up scum. He attacks both Remus and kilmenator solidly, but then drops that wagon quickly, moving into an attack on Kilmenator. This is now the second time (the first being day 1) he has expressed suspicions about Remus and someone else, then promptly gone off to attack the other person instead of remus. He's unquestioning about Ecto's claim, but that's fairly reasonable either way, considering that he was itching for the cop to claim earlier.
- Day 4:- In his first content post of the day, he retracts his comments against IH, based on IH's no lynch argument. Look at the first two paragraphs of his attack, and tell yourself whether it looks like distancing. He then proceeds to attack me, #343 inferring that I am the probable lynch of the day. This is not a suspicion that he has seriously supported at any other point of the game except for now, where it is one that he takes for granted. In #350, he says we are likely to have only one scum left alive, despite in his last post trying to tie me to IH. He calls IH's theories 'outrageous' Look at the severity of Akbars attacks against IH. Ask yourself if it is warranted, or exaggerated. He decided to lynch IH at the end of the day without actually understanding what IH was claiming.
-Day 5:-The only thing I think that's really suspicious about today is the fact that he is totally oblivious to the possibility of Aperion being a godfather.
That's my thoughts about Akbar.
The other consideration I have, though, is the sheer amount of confirmable townies we have. The following model isn't all that unrealistic.
Mason
Mason
Cop
Doc
Cop investigated innocent
Cop investigated innocent
Townie
Sk
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Now, baring in mind that with that amount of confirmed cop innocents, and more importantly, that all lynches must happen out of the bottom 5, that we could effectively be in a place where the town actually cannot lose by day 3. We know that the mafia did not contain a roleblocker, because, aside from logistical things, Ecto was not blocked N3, when there was no reason for the mafia not to, and every reason for them to do so.
So, unless we're dealing with a 3 man mafia group without any form of disruption for the Cop/Doc pair that has auto-won so many games (and in this game has what is effectively two free investigations in the masons), then I think the last scum is a Godfather. The interesting thing is, that if we're assuming the last scum is a godfather, then the kill of the cop last night doesn't really make as much sense as it could. Effectively, it means that the cop investigations that we had previously gathered become worthless, incriminating Aperion. That said, I doubt Aperion is actually scum. He hasn't been acting right. The motive for killing Ectomancer just didn't really work for Akbar, on a rolebased level. The fact is, though, that Ectomancer was, yesterday, the only confirmed person who put forward any suspicion that Akbar might be scum. Shanba was technically the only person who was 100% confirmed, and people had actually put forward minor suspicions of Ectomancer, meaning that he would not actually be able to view himself as cleared in an endgame. So, why was Ecto killed instead of Shanba? Because, Shanba, yesterday, was solidly gunning for me. In an endgame, Ectomancer would have actually had a decision to make, and gone between us. I'm not saying that much thought actually went into it, and it was probably just 'kill the person suspicious of me', but you know what I mean.
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The scum barely mentioned either of us in their posts. Whether you believe that barely any mention at all until day 4, when suddenly there is loads of it is less suspicious than no mention at all, ever, that's up to you.Shanba wrote:urgh. This is long enough: I'm willing to commit myself now. Akbar: when I read through the scum's posts, there were fairly clear (in retrospect) attempts at distancing. With that pattern in mind, I looked through the posts and saw that the other name that came up a lot in both scums' posts was yours. Which gives me an uneasy feeling
However, the way Primate tried to derail the IH bandwagon and then when he saw things going against IH changed tack with a fairly non-commital post strikes me the wrong way. Also, the point I made earlier in this post is readily explained by the relative activity levels of both players. With that in mind, and because Primate really needs to post,Vote: Primate
And IH was 100% going to be the lynch of that day, with 4 people voting him with certainty in mind. If you think that putting a late vote on him in a lynch-or-lose without actually understanding the situation is less impressive than actually trying to slow down, then fair enough, you carry on thinking that.
Phew. This is interesting. I'm going to discount the possibility of Apeiron godfather, mostly because I don't think he's been particularly scummy this game. Also, even if he was scum, it doesn't look like there would be much momentum for a lynch. So if he's scum, bravo and gg.
Primate's case is a lot stronger than I had imagined it would be. Looking at it, I don't like the way Akbar ignored Primate's question:it seems somewhat evasive. That being said, it's somewhat of a loaded question, no matter how he answers, you can call it scummy.
Looking through IH's posts, there's quite a lot of what might be distancing of Akbar from him. In one case, he votes Remus then in the next post votes Akbar. It looks sort of like he's getting the distancing out of the way so he can get on with the job of lynching innocents (this is an exaggeration, but the point is there). I would note that IH doesn't mention Primate once. I'm not sure what to make of that, save that it's possibly a ploy so as to act one way to one scum mate and another to the other. I don't thinks that's particularly likely, however.
Next is Remus' posts. There's another pattern here: Remus spends a lot of time agreeing with IH despite the pressuer IH put him under. He does a similar thing with Akbar (although Akbar was not putting him under pressure like IH was.
Rinally, looking through Akbar's posts, these two stuck out:
Ugh. That (all) said, I'm far from convinced. I want a defence/case against Primate from from Akbar and thoughts from Apeiron in case I'm headed completely the wrong direction.
Primate's case is a lot stronger than I had imagined it would be. Looking at it, I don't like the way Akbar ignored Primate's question:it seems somewhat evasive. That being said, it's somewhat of a loaded question, no matter how he answers, you can call it scummy.
Looking through IH's posts, there's quite a lot of what might be distancing of Akbar from him. In one case, he votes Remus then in the next post votes Akbar. It looks sort of like he's getting the distancing out of the way so he can get on with the job of lynching innocents (this is an exaggeration, but the point is there). I would note that IH doesn't mention Primate once. I'm not sure what to make of that, save that it's possibly a ploy so as to act one way to one scum mate and another to the other. I don't thinks that's particularly likely, however.
Next is Remus' posts. There's another pattern here: Remus spends a lot of time agreeing with IH despite the pressuer IH put him under. He does a similar thing with Akbar (although Akbar was not putting him under pressure like IH was.
Rinally, looking through Akbar's posts, these two stuck out:
@ IH So you believe Chamber is innocent?
that's a pretty galling coincidence if Akbar is innocent.@ Remus - Do you believe Chamber is innocent?
Ugh. That (all) said, I'm far from convinced. I want a defence/case against Primate from from Akbar and thoughts from Apeiron in case I'm headed completely the wrong direction.
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In response to Day by Day:
Day 2, I went after Chamber because I caught him lying. People who use “out of game” reasoning to appeal to emotion and avoid lynches are typically guilty. He feigned disinterest in the game and played off Seol’s sportsmanship to have a competitive game. It’s basically the same thing you did in post 384. You’re calling people stupid for voting you even though there’s a substantial case against you. You’re ingraining the image that we’re about to make a “bad play” and should rethink the whole idea of it.
Post 313 in response to 312.
@Shanba
The quotes you mentioned are not coincidence. When I believed Chamber was scum, IH was building a case vs. Kilamenator. I thought he was derailing the wagon, so I wanted him to commit to a stance on Chamber before the day was over. Notice, I did the same thing with Remus, right after he Unvoted Chamber. If they were protecting Chamber, I wanted it to be known.
I asked the same thing of your character Ameliaslay. She asked me if my only reason for voting Chamber was his hammer. I responded with a lengthy post. The conversation ended so I asked her in post 279 what she thought as well. Again for the same reasons, if she was protecting Chamber, I wanted it to be known.
Well, I think I covered everything. Can we win now?
Sorry, but unlike your pm, mine doesn’t tell me who my friends are. I’m not sure what the point was of this post. Day 1 is mostly random voting since we are in the dark about alignments. If your saying voting Panzer was scummy, I wonder why Dragon_Mage placed the 3rd vote on him starting his wagon.Primate wrote: Throughout the entirety of Day 1, Akbar did barely anything against any of the mafia.
Day 2, I went after Chamber because I caught him lying. People who use “out of game” reasoning to appeal to emotion and avoid lynches are typically guilty. He feigned disinterest in the game and played off Seol’s sportsmanship to have a competitive game. It’s basically the same thing you did in post 384. You’re calling people stupid for voting you even though there’s a substantial case against you. You’re ingraining the image that we’re about to make a “bad play” and should rethink the whole idea of it.
Of course I was happy we got an SK. Are you suggesting I should have quit looking for scum at that point?Primate wrote: At the beginning of D1(3 actually), he Foses the wagon he was on at the end of yesterday. I would expect town to be a little more happy that the lynch he spent all yesterday driving for actually came up scum.
This is a lie. I never dropped my suspicions of Remus. I was defending myself. Here is the post in question.Primate wrote: He attacks both Remus and kilmenator solidly, but then drops that wagon quickly, moving into an attack on Kilmenator.
Post 313 in response to 312.
Akbar wrote:1st off why did you chop my post up and skip over the Remus part? Don’t you have an opinion of what I said about him? Even if you disagree, you should say so.
2nd Your accusing me of being opportunistic because I said you were opportunistic. That’s terrific, you have no votes on you! What a frickin opportunity that was.
3rd I’m not hinting about roleclaiming. I came out and suggested it as a possibility. It’s rare that we have this much role-related info available. I also already pointed out some of the scenarios might not be there. Hence me saying we have a UP TO 6 people that can be verified. Out of 8 players, that’s a lot of information.
4th If you admit IH had no basis for his vote, you should list your reasons for being suspicious of me. I was serious about volunteering scrutiny. Please bring it on.
oooo, I was ITCHING for the cop to claim. I can hear the dramatic music in the background now. Unless you have a reasonable case against the roleclaiming that saved us from a Lynch or Lose situation, don’t try to make it sound suspicious. It was a good strategy that yielded 2 lynched scums.Primate wrote: He's unquestioning about Ecto's claim, but that's fairly reasonable either way, considering that he was itching for the cop to claim earlier.
This is another lie. I retracted my TRUST of IH based on his No Lynch argument. Here’s the quote:Primate wrote: Day 4:- In his first content post of the day, he retracts his commentsagainstIH, based on IH's no lynch argument.
Akbar wrote: Well, I retract my statement of trusting IH. Ecto is already confirmed Cop. If he wasn't, there's no way a cop would have waited this long to counterclaim.
IH, your way too experienced to think mafia would actually leave Ecto alive. He's not getting any more investigations done. The only thing sitting on our asses today will do is silence a confirmed townie voice.
Ecto and I already expressed our suspicions on DM/Primate. By voting No Lynch,if DM turns up scum, it’s going to look like you tried to protect him.
This is yet another lie. I never said there was one scum left in post 350 (Point of reference: This is the post where I defended Ecto vs. IH). Here’s the quote:Primate wrote: He then proceeds to attack me, #343 inferring that I am the probable lynch of the day. This is not a suspicion that he has seriously supported at any other point of the game except for now, where it is one that he takes for granted. In #350, he says we are likely to have only one scum left alive, despite in his last post trying to tie me to IH.
For the arithmetic challenged, 3 minus 1 = 2.Akbar wrote:This is outrageous.If we’re going on a 3 mafia set up, we’d have been 5-3 yesterday. Without a Doc protection, a mislynch would have cost us the game. To credit IH’s theory as feasible, we’d have to take the idea that:
1-Ecto is mafia
2-Ecto would be willing to gamble a phony roleclaim against the minute possibility that we have no cop.
3-And after succeeding in his phony roleclaim, he would bus his scumbuddy instead of sending one of us to the gallows on a phony investigation that would have won him the game!
4-And Ecto would be willing to do all this with no scumbuddies dead and inches from a victory.
Give me a freaking break! Again, I stress No Lynch is only going to result in a dead confirmed townie. There not going to kill the unconfirmed. Ask yourself, will you be any closer to knowing who scum is after Ecto is gone?
I’m claiming Vanilla Town. I have no doubts in Ecto’s roleclaim. My two suspects are Primate/DM and IH. I would be comfortable voting either one.
I understood that IH tried to get our cop killed and reduce our majority voice. Btw, thanks for pointing out I didn’t understand IH’s strategy. That’s actually a point in my favor. Apparently it was quite simple to his scumbuddy.Primate wrote: He decided to lynch IH at the end of the day without actually understanding what IH was claiming.
If this set up has a Godfather role in addition to the SK, then that’s just too bad for us. I’m not going to blow the game on the off chance Apeiron is Godfather. Also notice how Primate says I’m really suspicious for not thinking Apeiron could be Godfather, then later says:Primate wrote:The only thing I think that'sreally suspiciousabout today is the fact that he is totally oblivious to the possibility of Aperion being a godfather.
Primate wrote: That said, I doubt Aperion is actually scum.
IH’s lynch was not guaranteed. It took a unanimous scumless vote to see him lynched and you knew that. That’s why you sat on the fence.Primate wrote: And IH was 100% going to be the lynch of that day, with 4 people voting him with certainty in mind. If you think that putting a late vote on him in a lynch-or-lose without actually understanding the situation is less impressive than actually trying to slow down, then fair enough, you carry on thinking that.
@Shanba
The quotes you mentioned are not coincidence. When I believed Chamber was scum, IH was building a case vs. Kilamenator. I thought he was derailing the wagon, so I wanted him to commit to a stance on Chamber before the day was over. Notice, I did the same thing with Remus, right after he Unvoted Chamber. If they were protecting Chamber, I wanted it to be known.
I asked the same thing of your character Ameliaslay. She asked me if my only reason for voting Chamber was his hammer. I responded with a lengthy post. The conversation ended so I asked her in post 279 what she thought as well. Again for the same reasons, if she was protecting Chamber, I wanted it to be known.
Well, I think I covered everything. Can we win now?
ugh. I'm not really feeling Akbar's last post at all.
Your first rebuttal is not really an answer, it's just a He's the scum, not me sort of statement.
Next point is again similar, mere statement that something is the case. I have to say, it doesn't look like you were happy you hit the SK.
The Remus to Kilmenator thing is interesting. I personally would note that when you made your case against Remus you never voted him. I would also note however that there wasn't really enough time to see whether you were actually dropping the Remus case to attack Kilm. So that's inconclusive in my mind.
Next point I agree with Akbar.
And the next, though I would add that it looks an awful lot like a planned disatncing attempt.
Next one strikes me as a misinterpretation on Primate's part.
The Ih thing next... not sure about this
urgh.... I really really don't like that next statement. How would taking into account the possibility that Apeiron is scum blow the game for us? I would say the opposite is much more likely to be true.
Next statement... I would say that IH's lynch pretty much was guaranteed after everyone decided I was clear. I don't think it needed to be scumless, either: it's possible the scum wanted to get one last piece of distancing done. Also, the idea that Primate waited because he wanted to try and stop the lynch is ridiculous: by the point the entirety of the other players had already statde a willingness to lynch IH.
The bit you address to me misses the point somewhat. That was really the weakest point of my argument, an amusing coincidence probably. The fact that both scum have acted in a manner towards you that is consistent with the way they acted towards their other scumpartner is at the very least worrying.
I looked through your posts again and found another thing that worried me. in your 31st post and your 36th post, you indidcate that you have been trying to work out what roles people have. That is not a pro-town thing to do.
Oh, and that statement at the bottom of your last post doesn't fill me with confidence. It might be clear from your viewpoint who the scum is, but it definitely isn't from mine.
Your first rebuttal is not really an answer, it's just a He's the scum, not me sort of statement.
Next point is again similar, mere statement that something is the case. I have to say, it doesn't look like you were happy you hit the SK.
The Remus to Kilmenator thing is interesting. I personally would note that when you made your case against Remus you never voted him. I would also note however that there wasn't really enough time to see whether you were actually dropping the Remus case to attack Kilm. So that's inconclusive in my mind.
Next point I agree with Akbar.
And the next, though I would add that it looks an awful lot like a planned disatncing attempt.
Next one strikes me as a misinterpretation on Primate's part.
The Ih thing next... not sure about this
urgh.... I really really don't like that next statement. How would taking into account the possibility that Apeiron is scum blow the game for us? I would say the opposite is much more likely to be true.
Next statement... I would say that IH's lynch pretty much was guaranteed after everyone decided I was clear. I don't think it needed to be scumless, either: it's possible the scum wanted to get one last piece of distancing done. Also, the idea that Primate waited because he wanted to try and stop the lynch is ridiculous: by the point the entirety of the other players had already statde a willingness to lynch IH.
The bit you address to me misses the point somewhat. That was really the weakest point of my argument, an amusing coincidence probably. The fact that both scum have acted in a manner towards you that is consistent with the way they acted towards their other scumpartner is at the very least worrying.
I looked through your posts again and found another thing that worried me. in your 31st post and your 36th post, you indidcate that you have been trying to work out what roles people have. That is not a pro-town thing to do.
Oh, and that statement at the bottom of your last post doesn't fill me with confidence. It might be clear from your viewpoint who the scum is, but it definitely isn't from mine.
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I'm saying that if you had gone off and committed to a serious attack against either of out mafia, then that would be a point in your favour. However, barring an ineffectual attack on Remus, you did not do this, so you do not get that point. Saying that the reason you didn't do any scum distancing is solely because you didn't actually know who the scum are is a little odd.Akbar wrote:Sorry, but unlike your pm, mine doesn’t tell me who my friends are. I’m not sure what the point was of this post. Day 1 is mostly random voting since we are in the dark about alignments. If your saying voting Panzer was scummy, I wonder why Dragon_Mage placed the 3rd vote on him starting his wagon.Primate wrote: Throughout the entirety of Day 1, Akbar did barely anything against any of the mafia.
No it isn't. I was calling people stupid because I believe that speedlynching is the single most stupid thing in mafia. I've stopped playing in places because of it before. I can't see what drives people to do anything other than wait until the last possible to moment to lynch. And your other comment is off too. Of course I am allowed to make a comment to that the town that what they are doing is a bad play. Are you suggesting that trying to prevent a lynch that will lose us the game is actually a bad thing? If you're suggesting that I should simply allow my lynch to happen, and doing otherwise is anti-town, then I think you are streching. And if you think there's a substantial case against me, then I would like to see it. All you've done so far is gesture wildly in my direction.Day 2, I went after Chamber because I caught him lying. People who use “out of game” reasoning to appeal to emotion and avoid lynches are typically guilty. He feigned disinterest in the game and played off Seol’s sportsmanship to have a competitive game. It’s basically the same thing you did in post 384. You’re calling people stupid for voting you even though there’s a substantial case against you. You’re ingraining the image that we’re about to make a “bad play” and should rethink the whole idea of it.
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the first reaction to you catching scum should not be to emphasize the negative side of being on the badwagon yesterday. I mean, your point was legitimate, in a sense, I just think that the thought process is artificial.Of course I was happy we got an SK. Are you suggesting I should have quit looking for scum at that point?Primate wrote: At the beginning of D1(3 actually), he Foses the wagon he was on at the end of yesterday. I would expect town to be a little more happy that the lynch he spent all yesterday driving for actually came up scum.
Fair enough. I didn't read the thread naturally, and the sheer speed of D3 didn't really come across to me.This is a lie. I never dropped my suspicions of Remus. I was defending myself. Here is the post in question.Primate wrote: He attacks both Remus and kilmenator solidly, but then drops that wagon quickly, moving into an attack on Kilmenator.
Post 313 in response to 312.Akbar wrote:1st off why did you chop my post up and skip over the Remus part? Don’t you have an opinion of what I said about him? Even if you disagree, you should say so.
2nd Your accusing me of being opportunistic because I said you were opportunistic. That’s terrific, you have no votes on you! What a frickin opportunity that was.
3rd I’m not hinting about roleclaiming. I came out and suggested it as a possibility. It’s rare that we have this much role-related info available. I also already pointed out some of the scenarios might not be there. Hence me saying we have a UP TO 6 people that can be verified. Out of 8 players, that’s a lot of information.
4th If you admit IH had no basis for his vote, you should list your reasons for being suspicious of me. I was serious about volunteering scrutiny. Please bring it on.
You make it sound like you were responsible for it. And stop trying to find melodrama in my words. All the day you had been pointing out the benefits of the cop claiming. If that isn't 'itching', I don't know what is.oooo, I was ITCHING for the cop to claim. I can hear the dramatic music in the background now. Unless you have a reasonable case against the roleclaiming that saved us from a Lynch or Lose situation, don’t try to make it sound suspicious. It was a good strategy that yielded 2 lynched scums.Primate wrote:He's unquestioning about Ecto's claim, but that's fairly reasonable either way, considering that he was itching for the cop to claim earlier.
That's bad semantics on my part, but it's also completely irrelevant. The fact is, that until that point, the single mention of this trust you apparently has was in post #311, where you provide no reason for having it, nor any reference to previous beliefs.This is another lie. I retracted my TRUST of IH based on his No Lynch argument. Here’s the quote:Primate wrote: Day 4:- In his first content post of the day, he retracts his commentsagainstIH, based on IH's no lynch argument.Akbar wrote: Well, I retract my statement of trusting IH. Ecto is already confirmed Cop. If he wasn't, there's no way a cop would have waited this long to counterclaim.
IH, your way too experienced to think mafia would actually leave Ecto alive. He's not getting any more investigations done. The only thing sitting on our asses today will do is silence a confirmed townie voice.
Ecto and I already expressed our suspicions on DM/Primate. By voting No Lynch,if DM turns up scum, it’s going to look like you tried to protect him.
Yep. You're right about this as well.This is yet another lie. I never said there was one scum left in post 350 (Point of reference: This is the post where I defended Ecto vs. IH). Here’s the quote:Primate wrote: He then proceeds to attack me, #343 inferring that I am the probable lynch of the day. This is not a suspicion that he has seriously supported at any other point of the game except for now, where it is one that he takes for granted. In #350, he says we are likely to have only one scum left alive, despite in his last post trying to tie me to IH.For the arithmetic challenged, 3 minus 1 = 2.Akbar wrote:This is outrageous.If we’re going on a 3 mafia set up, we’d have been 5-3 yesterday. Without a Doc protection, a mislynch would have cost us the game. To credit IH’s theory as feasible, we’d have to take the idea that:
1-Ecto is mafia
2-Ecto would be willing to gamble a phony roleclaim against the minute possibility that we have no cop.
3-And after succeeding in his phony roleclaim, he would bus his scumbuddy instead of sending one of us to the gallows on a phony investigation that would have won him the game!
4-And Ecto would be willing to do all this with no scumbuddies dead and inches from a victory.
Give me a freaking break! Again, I stress No Lynch is only going to result in a dead confirmed townie. There not going to kill the unconfirmed. Ask yourself, will you be any closer to knowing who scum is after Ecto is gone?
I’m claiming Vanilla Town. I have no doubts in Ecto’s roleclaim. My two suspects are Primate/DM and IH. I would be comfortable voting either one.
Not really. I personally reckon that IH came up with that claim on the spot. He just saw a chance and took it.I understood that IH tried to get our cop killed and reduce our majority voice. Btw, thanks for pointing out I didn’t understand IH’s strategy. That’s actually a point in my favor. Apparently it was quite simple to his scumbuddy.Primate wrote: He decided to lynch IH at the end of the day without actually understanding what IH was claiming.
The 'really suspicious' thing is misinterpretation. You read it as me calling you a really suspicious person. I meant it as 'really allIf this set up has a Godfather role in addition to the SK, then that’s just too bad for us. I’m not going to blow the game on the off chance Apeiron is Godfather. Also notice how Primate says I’m really suspicious for not thinking Apeiron could be Godfather, then later says:Primate wrote:The only thing I think that'sreally suspiciousabout today is the fact that he is totally oblivious to the possibility of Aperion being a godfather.Primate wrote: That said, I doubt Aperion is actually scum.
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suspicious. ok? That's not what I said. I'm pointing out that from the beginning of this day, you have been guns blazing against me, when I would expect you to
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the fact that Aperion could be a godfather. It's really not all that unlikely a possibility, rolewise, especially considering the fact that both mafia so far have come up specifically as goons. You seem blinkered. For god's sake. It was either him or Shanba. We had had 3 people jump on him in the space of under 20 minutes. I think it's fairly safe to say that that day was not going to to end well for IH. I think that if you add this alongside the fact that you didn't really get what IH was claiming, and the fact you didn't answer my request to slow down, then it paints a picture of someone whoIH’s lynch was not guaranteed. It took a unanimous scumless vote to see him lynched and you knew that. That’s why you sat on the fence.Primate wrote: And IH was 100% going to be the lynch of that day, with 4 people voting him with certainty in mind. If you think that putting a late vote on him in a lynch-or-lose without actually understanding the situation is less impressive than actually trying to slow down, then fair enough, you carry on thinking that.
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wants to be on the wagon of that scum who's going down, and has the knowledge needed to be certain about these thingsVote Akbar
heh, and as I write this, I see shanba has written exactly the same thing in a quarter of the space. Go me.
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Haha, you almost make me wish I was.Phew. This is interesting. I'm going to discount the possibility of Apeiron godfather, mostly because I don't think he's been particularly scummy this game. Also, even if he was scum, it doesn't look like there would be much momentum for a lynch. So if he's scum, bravo and gg.
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I've had a rough last night (camping), so I'm going to bed now. I better read all those long posts tomorrow. I would refrain from voting until Akbar responds to some of the specifics in the later post.
I take it you wont reply to my posts. In that case, there's (as Primate said) not much point to today. So
If we didn't know that it was impossible, I would be very worried that Apeiron was your scumbuddy for that post.
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.If we didn't know that it was impossible, I would be very worried that Apeiron was your scumbuddy for that post.
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