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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:33 am

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Just_a_cleric wrote:
Pariah wrote:What are you looking for, Billy?

I believe I claimed my role completely.
I think he wants to know if you'd been zombified.
Bingo.

I'd also like his take on the claims now that they are out on the table.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:48 am

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Claims and dead people:

Zindaras-Teacher (Meadows)
Just_a_Cleric-Dark Confidant (Ravnica)
UltimaAvalon-Boat Rocker (I believe this is zammm from MPFG)
HurriKaty-Cleric (ORB)
BillyTwilight-Burglar (Ghost)
Pariah-Watery Grave (Ravnica)
Bussy-Bill Cosby (unknown)
Aceiks - Bartender (Rhox from MPFG)
Nocmen - Unlicensed Doctor (Ghost)
WhoMe? - Zombie (Nosy_G from MPFG II)
Sacred - Museum of Pariah’s Greatest Bastard Hits Director (unknown)
KaleiÐoscøpe - Statistics Keeper (Meadows)

Interestingly enough, there are no roles from Ghost: RTGM or Guildpact. But, more interestingly, I'll have you note the following: all roles we have seen claimed or dead are humanoids...except Pariah's.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:05 am

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The Bill Cosby role came in PK's MPFG and Ravnica Mafia.
Perhaps others, but those two I know for certain.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:09 am

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Yeah, but we don't know from which game it comes, specifically. Also, as far as I know (but I'd have to check), the original role was different from what Bussy claimed.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:42 am

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True, the original BC (I was the one in Ravnica Mafia) was a SK.

The flavor in MPFG is a bit similar to what Bussy claimed though.
In MPFG the people of MPFG stole BC's jello and he decided to get it back by killing them.

The flavor in Ravnica differs.
There it's the land BC's interested in.
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:25 am

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Hey, JaC, what do you think about Pariah?
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:20 am

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I think he's being his normal self.
I'm curious what he thinks now Sacred came up as mafia though. At the end of last day he had this snippet that myself and Zin may be scumbuddies.

His claim seems ok, but I just can't help this little voice somewhere that says that claiming Watery Grave is the perfect opportunity to get yourself zombified.
(Of which most of us still want an answer...are you zombified or not?)

It is however pretty solid combined with BT's findings though. At least, I can't find so soon a good role that would fit with BT's info on PK.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:26 am

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Just_a_cleric wrote:I think he's being his normal self.
I'm curious what he thinks, now Sacred came up as mafia, though. At the end of last day he had this snippet that myself and Zin could be scumbuddies.

His claim seems ok, but I just can't help this little voice somewhere that says that claiming Watery Grave is the perfect opportunity to get yourself zombified.
(A question to which most of us still want an answer...are you zombified or not?)

It is however pretty solid combined with BT's findings. At least, I can't find a good role that would fit with BT's info on PK.
Edited for having better last sentences ;)

If we go solely on claims here my list of most suspicious would probably be:
Bussy (Claimed Cosby + Initally not wanting to)
PK (the small voice mostly)
Myself (To be honest, I don't have much with which I can confirm my role. I get something new every day)
UA (We already had an unlicensed doc)
Zin (Haven't seen touchable results yet)
HK (See previous comment, but BT pretty much confirms the role)
BT (Claimed early, found several things that makes sense)
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:45 pm

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I didn't receive a PM or anything stating I was zombified.

The only-non humanoid? How many non-humanoid/anthropomorphic roles have I used, and how many of those were any actually good? I used a land because it was so outside of common sense. I mean, how do you lynch a land? I believe the DP was like, "you somehow managed to lynch an island, good job." The game stresses alignment ambiguity, as shown by the zombie epidemic. Watery Grave makes sense, as it and zombie are probably my two best alignment "hiders."

The idea that I am telling the truth about being WG due to the existence of the zombie is more credible than the idea that I am lying because I am a non-humanoid. The idea behind Role - Land is that is totally nonsensical. That's the point. The burglar result also meshes very well with watery grave.

It's a very, very weak foundation.
I seriously dislike your argument there.


Lack of G:RTGM isn't surprising since you worked with me on it, and Guildpact's roles had a lot of simply odd things that don't translate to actual games well.

I still like Zindaras out of all the lynches. Hopefully, I'll have more time Saturday or Sunday to elaborate on things of that nature.

As for Dark Confidant, I took random magic cards under a preset of defined rules and interpreted them under those rules and made effects. The JaC interpretation is different and not essentially the same.

UA is the same pretty much. Cleric about the same, burglar...etc. Bill Cosby...I find this suspect. I never had a role which searched for pudding. So, that role doesn't actually exist. Please tell us, Bussy, who you used your role on so far.

Museum of Pariah's Greatest Bastard Hits Director - MPFG Museum Director, obviously, from MPFG II.

I don't actually remember the statistics keeper, sadly. I don't know where this witch/wizard talk is coming from, I'll have to look into more detail. More alignment screwing stuff wouldn't surprise me, that seems to be a theme. Zombifiying might actually be for the greater good in a weird way.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:49 pm

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Specifically, Merestial Hayes of MPFG II. (I think I'm spelling that wrong.) MH got random one shot items he could use or not use each day. One even included changing alignments to SK and one was to end the day early and such, etc.

As for teacher, I believe Billy has confirmed that Zindie has used it. However, I would not say that confirms Zindie as pro town. (Obviously.) Teacher would make a more interesting scum role than town, really. (Kind of like meter maid from pro town to pro scum.)

NotActuallyAnEDIT: Hey, you can't zombify land! It's not alive. Further confirmation to my claim, I suppose. We could, if we wanted, possibly eliminate the zombie threat, knowing this.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:50 pm

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NotActuallyAnEDIT: Hey, you can't zombify land! It's not alive. Further confirmation to my claim, I suppose. We could, if we wanted, possibly eliminate the zombie threat, knowing this.

Fake Edit: Obviously assumes if I am correct we could do that. I may or may not have not been zombified for that reason.
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:52 pm

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Vote Count:


Zindaras
- 2 - BillyTwilight, UltimaAvalon

And the idle: HurriKaty, Bussy, Zindaras, Just_a_Cleric, Pariah

Deadline: Oct 5th, 8 PM PST


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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:57 pm

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Hm, that's like, today, and soon.

Zindaras, the person I think the scummiest has the most votes by a margin of 2, with 4 to lynch. My options are to abstain and see Zindie hang, to vote someone else and hope they are lynched if I do not want Zindie to die, or to vote Zindie. I would prefer to have had a dialog with Zindaras, but that's my fault, I suppose. If I had to kill someone, I'd kill him.

I'll bite the bullet and solidify the lynch.

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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:03 pm

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It comes to me randomly now that Billy seems to have placed a weird vote on Zindaras in retrospect and UA is pretty much entirely under everyone's radar. While I dislike Zindaras's posting...I dislike it most of the time. :V The other issue is that I cannot actually be certain whether or not of Zindaras's alignment, as it seems alignment screwing is the theme of the game. So I lose a lot of valuable information. Billy
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a claimed miller after all. I should look for a link there or interaction with Zindaras, once I grow some more time.

Or I'm actually right and I'm thinking too much into this. Probably the latter. I'm not really proofreading this, I'm pretty much posting stream-of-consciousness due to lack of time.
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:09 pm

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You all merge together to lynch Zindaras. He pretty much claimed he's a zombie, so why not lynch him? As the day ends, you end up with Zindaras at the end of the noose. You never got enough people together to finish the hanging properly, but Zindaras hung at the end of that rope for so long that he eventually died up there anyways.

Zindaras, Zombie aligned Teacher, is lynched!


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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:39 pm

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As the lights turn on, and everybody wakes up, you realize, nobody else is waking up. They've all been faking sleeping, just like you have. No way you'd fall asleep with ravenous killers on the loose! But, oh, wait. There's one individual who's not waking up. It's BillyTwilight, he's definitely been killed with nothing other than the knife of backstabbery. He lies deaded on the ground.

BillyTwilight was town aligned Burglar


It is now Day 4 or something.
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:55 am

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Bah, and so forth, and so on....

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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:53 am

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I would really like to see Bussy answer PK's question, which I shall repost for the sake of convenience.
PK wrote:Bill Cosby...I find this suspect. I never had a role which searched for
pudding
Jell-O. So, that role doesn't actually exist. Please tell us, Bussy, who you used your role on so far.
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:45 pm

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It was Jello, not pudding. Maybe PK didn't remember it because I called it the wrong thing. I think it's a dialect thing. Jello to me is gelatin stuff, but Bill Cosby was always doing commercials for the pudding. Anywhoo

N1: Whome
N2 Zindaras
N3 Billy Twilight (I figured since JaC said he'd given the Jello to Zindaras somehow and since I couldn't pick Zindaras, maybe Billy the burglar would be my best shot at getting something off a dead body. *shrugs*

I don't think being unable to find the Jello makes me unable to win. I still win when town wins. Possibly I got an instant win if I did find the Jello? My PM is pretty vague about that, i.e. doesn't say at all.

Fake Edit> That sucks that PK is leaving a game about him :(
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:04 am

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So here's the situation:
There's 5 of us with 2 scum left.
Why I am so sure? My item of last night.

Last night I got a devil's contract. I coud sign it and get a PO investigation this night at the cost of me losing the game in the end.

Seeing the situation we're in I decided it would be in the best interest of the town I'd sign the contract and as such had an investigation. I can still proclaim I won the game for the town even though I lost myself :P

I investigated my #1 suspect, Bussy, and the result?
Self aligned Bill Cosby.

It's also highly convenient all targets are dead.
Also: I gave Zin the Jello at night 1, meaning he should have had at N2, when Bussy claims to have targetted him.

This + reluctance to claim at the mass claim leads me to believe we may have found the first of our 2 targets.

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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:08 am

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EBWOP:
Even if my investigation was bastard there's still plenty of other stuff (that I also posted) that would lead to my vote.
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:33 pm

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Everything I said was the truth. I don't know why you're getting a self aligned reading on me. And as for not wanting to be in the mass claim, I had *just* replaced in, and I never even got a chance to be secretive or anything which I always thought was the fun part. I was never told if (this role) got anything N2 when (this role) searched Zindaras (I know I replaced Nosy, but I don't know when he replaced in). So either Alk forgot to give me that info or this role didn't find anything. Wasn't that the night Zindy ate PK's brains? What if he actually ate the jello instead? I know it sounds crazy, but Pariah never said anything about being zombified (that i recall). Maybe Zind was just lying about that to get us to lynch PK. I dunno, just throwing ideas out there, because I don't know why I don't have the Jello now (other than mod failure) and I don't know why I showed up as self aligned..... UNLESS JaC is lying. And since I *know* I'm town, I'll go with this assumption for now and

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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:33 pm

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N1: Whome
Night 1 Scene wrote:You also see WhoMe? beat unconscious to the ground.
N2 Zindaras
Just A Cleric wrote:N1 I got a pot of jello which I gave to Zindaras
N3 Billy Twilight
Night 3 Scene wrote:BillyTwilight, he's definitely been killed
Just a Cleric wrote:I investigated my #1 suspect, Bussy, and the result?
Self aligned Bill Cosby.
[Fact]Night 1, Whome died, and resurrected. Night1, he was targeted by Cosby[/Fact]
[Speculation]Night 2, Zindaras had the Jell-O. The happy Bill Cosby spared his life in exchange for the Jell-O[/Speculation]
[Fact]Night 3, BillyTwilight died.[/Fact]

[Conclusion]
Vote: Bussy

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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:09 pm

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The All Important Vote Count!


Bussy
- 2 - Just_a_Cleric, UltimaAvalon

Just_a_Cleric
- 1 - Bussy

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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:15 pm

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Bussy wrote:Everything I said was the truth. I don't know why you're getting a self aligned reading on me. And as for not wanting to be in the mass claim, I had *just* replaced in, and I never even got a chance to be secretive or anything which I always thought was the fun part. I was never told if (this role) got anything N2 when (this role) searched Zindaras (I know I replaced Nosy, but I don't know when he replaced in). So either Alk forgot to give me that info or this role didn't find anything. Wasn't that the night Zindy ate PK's brains? What if he actually ate the jello instead? I know it sounds crazy, but Pariah never said anything about being zombified (that i recall). Maybe Zind was just lying about that to get us to lynch PK. I dunno, just throwing ideas out there, because I don't know why I don't have the Jello now (other than mod failure) and I don't know why I showed up as self aligned..... UNLESS JaC is lying. And since I *know* I'm town, I'll go with this assumption for now and

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I already took into account that my investigation may not have been true (with the bastard stuff and all), but you're also the one that is most suspicious imo with claims and stuff.

PK said he hadn't been zombified, which is just according to his claim of Watery Grave. After all, you can't zombify a land.
HK: claimed Cleric and was confirmed by BT.

So it's between UA and yourself. If we have 2 scum left, like I think we do thanks to my investigation, we need to lynch both of you to win this.

UA claimed a sort of doc/redirector role and you claimed Bill Cosby who searches for Jello.
While I also did have my doubts about UA (due to the death of the Unlicensed Doctor) Billl Cosby just sounded worse.
And even if you do tell the truth about your targets, there's no way to verify anything.

Note that UA also quickly voted for you after I said I searched you.
It is my believe the two of you are our final scum, and the order we lynch you in doesn't matter much unless you have extra roles next to the sending in the kill.
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