of your points, in particular I don't like his l-2 is less significant than l-1 which is less significant than hammer, if you vote a guy you want to lynch him, unless you are clearly doing it to pressure that player, the position on the wagon is irrelevant, but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
fair enough. he is still my top scum read though. i probably am tunelling on him a bit. i dont think its a conscious thing though. probably partly because he is the one player i have experience with before this game.
Well, you dont see me tunnelling you, or mastin, or penwin (that was for a few posts) even though I have one completed game with each of you.
↑copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
of your points, in particular I don't like his l-2 is less significant than l-1 which is less significant than hammer, if you vote a guy you want to lynch him, unless you are clearly doing it to pressure that player, the position on the wagon is irrelevant, but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
fair enough. he is still my top scum read though. i probably am tunelling on him a bit. i dont think its a conscious thing though. probably partly because he is the one player i have experience with before this game.
Well, you dont see me tunnelling you, or mastin, or penwin (that was for a few posts) even though I have one completed game with each of you.
no one accused you of tunneling. that was me reflecting on criticism of me that was justified.
↑copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
You did? It didnt really seem so to me, as you ended day 1 on condude. Day 1 was only 4 days, and you managed to scumhunt more than just those few in that time, yet youve spent much more time on me than anuone else.
of your points, in particular I don't like his l-2 is less significant than l-1 which is less significant than hammer, if you vote a guy you want to lynch him, unless you are clearly doing it to pressure that player, the position on the wagon is irrelevant, but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
fair enough. he is still my top scum read though. i probably am tunelling on him a bit. i dont think its a conscious thing though. probably partly because he is the one player i have experience with before this game.
Well, you dont see me tunnelling you, or mastin, or penwin (that was for a few posts) even though I have one completed game with each of you.
no one accused you of tunneling. that was me reflecting on criticism of me that was justified.
I'm saying that just because I'm the only player you know doesnt mean you should "tunnel" me. My vote has been on someone I haven't played with before for most of the game.
It's not a great point, but do you know what I mean?
↑copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
↑copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
You did? It didnt really seem so to me, as you ended day 1 on condude. Day 1 was only 4 days, and you managed to scumhunt more than just those few in that time, yet youve spent much more time on me than anuone else.
have a look at my d3 though, the tunneling there was horrible. and yeah its easier to scum hunt on playdip than here. deadlines being shorter means more is expected of you each 24 hour period. so you get more to go on. you dont really get people who go afk for 2-3 days
↑copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
You did? It didnt really seem so to me, as you ended day 1 on condude. Day 1 was only 4 days, and you managed to scumhunt more than just those few in that time, yet youve spent much more time on me than anuone else.
have a look at my d3 though, the tunneling there was horrible. and yeah its easier to scum hunt on playdip than here. deadlines being shorter means more is expected of you each 24 hour period. so you get more to go on. you dont really get people who go afk for 2-3 days
Its not Day 3 yet, though. I'd have to disagree that its easier on playdip. And you do get afkers:
Constantine, Preston, Alcester to an extent, JC1985, etc.
↑copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
No comment of anything else in this post?
i think you are scum. of course im going to try and convince people. That in no way means you cant change my view. and i take your point about telleo, but that reasoning came after condude was lynched and flipped scum. its a completely different issue when allignment of the lynch candidate is known.
so do you think i am scum or town? your statements suggest that you should be reading me as scum. but you arent voting for me?
↑copper223 wrote:but you are attacking him for basically every post he has written.
^^
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me. Besides, you didnt tunnel in Fable, and coming from that game, you should know how much fire townies (Telleo comes to mind) can come under from being one of the last people on a lynch. Throughout my conversations with with you in this game, It looks as if you might be trying to convince everyone I'm scum because you know me, and hardly anyone else does. It looks as though your determined to scumread me, and the reasons come later.
actually i probably did tunnel in fable. look at my interaction with TBO and Telleo. i was wrong there, and its certainly possible im wrong here
You did? It didnt really seem so to me, as you ended day 1 on condude. Day 1 was only 4 days, and you managed to scumhunt more than just those few in that time, yet youve spent much more time on me than anuone else.
have a look at my d3 though, the tunneling there was horrible. and yeah its easier to scum hunt on playdip than here. deadlines being shorter means more is expected of you each 24 hour period. so you get more to go on. you dont really get people who go afk for 2-3 days
Its not Day 3 yet, though. I'd have to disagree that its easier on playdip. And you do get afkers:
Constantine, Preston, Alcester to an extent, JC1985, etc.
id argue that fable had a high amount of afkers for playdip. my point about it being easier is that you get more data to go on. i mean look at the number of posts made d1 compared to the first 96 hours here? anyway its not all that relevant. what im trying to get at is that i can get sucked into tunelling. its a bad habit. i know that.
↑eyestott wrote:I'm leaning scum on you.
Wait no. I think you are scum. Id say youre my second scum read.
behind dave?
Do you see us as potential buddies or do you think it likely that one of us is scum and one is town? or how does the flip of either myself or dave affect your read of the other?
↑eyestott wrote:Yes. If dave flips scum, id probably think youre not his scumbuddy, so either SK or town.
If town, Id be more confident youre anti-town.
and people think im giving myself a way out??? you set yourself up here so that you can vote me whichever way dave flips...
also interesting that you dont include what happens if dave flips as SK. you clearly know there is a SK yet dont include it? why?
I dont know there is an SK.
I just dont think youre the same alignment as him.
If hes SK, you could be town or mafia.
I'm not giving myself a way out, as if dave flips scum if theres 1 nightkill, likely no SK, if theres more than 1, theres likely an SK.
I see why Mollie gets uppity about newbie players...
My advice, since you both seem to be scumreading each other (and eyes., that was not an endorsement to turn around and behave the same):
- each of you make a case (being concise would be helpful) about why you think the other is scum.
at this point if you're both town this is an OMGUS based discussion, if one of you is scum the town player's arguments are getting drowned in the back and forth.
I REALLY hate doing prod-dodges, but given that it's nearly 4:30 AM, I've got schoolwork still not done which is due at 11:55 AM, I'm working tomorrow for 5 hours, and I should be getting up at 8 AM...well, I think you can forgive me putting off four pages for a day or so.
↑copper223 wrote:@Mastin
Hearthless may be scum but not because of inactivity as that is likely not alignment indicative in this case.
352 - Copper, do you think it's likely that Dodgy and eyestott are scum together? Also, why is Heartless not in your scum-reads?
363 - Dodgy, Tean were first to attack Killa though? So they were first to attack Killa, and first to attack Dave, but you accuse them of not doing any of their own scum-hunting? I don't understand where you're coming from here.
371 - Wicked, I don't think it's good scum-hunting strategy to base your reads on players depending on how
you
play. Everybody plays differently. For example, I tend to pay more attention to the thread as scum because I know who is town and it always feels harder making cases when I know somebodies alignment.
What do you make of Dodgy's defence against my accusation of 122?
As for your scum-read on Tean I found the following; if I have missed anything, let me know.
Spoiler: Wicked Reasons for Tean!Scum
↑Wickedestjr wrote:
Tean Samargo: it's good that they created a case to justify their vote, but I dislike the target. I also dislike how, in their case, they refer to killapenwin as "the penguins", "the pengling", and "pengdong". At the time of their case it was already clear that killapenwin both had a defensive play style and was frustrated by the suspicions toward him. So it really feels like these demeaning names are meant to incite an emotional reaction from penwin, something that could attract more suspicion towards him. Also haven't seen anything town-telling from them either.
to say! Especially considering you cast the vote for davesaz immediately preceding eyestott’s vote (so you weren’t much faster to hop aboard). It also seems convenient how you start to cast doubt on the wagon, ‘coincidentally’, just after it starts to lose momentum.
I mean, in 160, I see no reason to scum-read someone because they present a case on someone who you don't think it scum. Town present cases on town all the time and it's not even like it was a
bad
case. Unless your town-read of Killa at that time was super-strong, and if it was, I would like to know how you arrived at that read.
As for 250, do you disagree with his reasoning for voting Dave? Because I found myself nodding my head when they picked him up for an awful reads-list, where am I going wrong here? Also, I find Tean's reasoning for Dave!Scum to be much more genuine and likely to come from a town mindset than eyestott's. Do you disagree?
↑Wickedestjr wrote:
1: In post 231 you said “I feel a little bit uncomfortable with my vote along side yours honestly.” which feels like doubt in the dave wagon.
No, what it looks like is that Tean are aware of their reads and willing to reevaluate. Why would he be comfortable pushing a wagon that another of his scum-reads has jumped on? It seems you're determined to read scum motivation behind anything Tean does and my town-read on you is slipping.
↑eyestott wrote:
Dodgy: On the surface, your play looks abit similar to Fable 6, but I've realised that there is nothing I can say that will change your views of me.
↑eyestott wrote:I'm leaning scum on you.
Wait no. I think you are scum. Id say youre my second scum read.
These two quotes are very concerning. So, in 374 you're trying to change dodgy's view of you. Why would you try to change dodgy's view of you if you believe he is scum (283). Like, if you town-read him, I could understand it, but trying to reason with someone you're scum-reading makes no sense at all because you should be thinking he is
purposely
trying to 'mislynch' you.
VOTE: eyestott
↑eyestott wrote:Yes. If dave flips scum, id probably think youre not his scumbuddy, so either SK or town.
If town, Id be more confident youre anti-town.
Yeah, so you're determined to read dodgy!scum no matter what happens. Got it.
Can we lynch eyestott now?
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
@BBT
My scumreads are not based on conjectures about possible scumteams. I do not think Dodgy/Eyes as both mafia is likely and I have a null on Heartless unless Dave flips scum.
