↑Knuckles wrote:Don't understand why "I'll try to get people flavor from preferred games" means that you only get one per game.
To be clearer, the setup could be something along the lines of a uPick where we pick games, he gives us characters from games. Or he could have already designed the setup and game choices decide what characters and roles we get.
This is what I was thinking, too.
↑Knuckles wrote:Xtoxm - I think that his "let's massclaim" "I was lying about my role btw" is something that's very very unlikely to be coming from scum, I guess I can get into this if need be but I don't really think it's something scum does. Like his immediate unvote of our slot and then pushback on our reads, and I like his expressed excitement about the game getting interesting. This is by far my strongest townread so it's the type of read I'm pretty surprised that people don't see; let me know if I need to make a big post explaining my reasoning in depth here.
I don't know. I think that could work both directions. He could seriously just be Trojan Horsing us one. However, I can't deny that you may be right and I could be wrong.
UNVOTE: Xtoxm
I know you were on about Nosferatu, but I would have much rather seen you bomb ASP over Nosferatu. That's kinda disappointing and he had a pretty epic role, too.
Ahh, my unvote doesn't matter because we get reset and why am I not surprised that the first person to vote for me is Xtoxm? Follow by Knuckles? Much disappoint.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:57 am
by Vedith
Well, considering that no one seems to find Random's claim odd to mine, then I'll leave you lot to decide. Just let me know who we are voting for, it's in towns favour to let me on that wagon.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:12 am
by Xtoxm
Starbuck's latest isn't terrible. ASP would be a fine alternative.
Vedith, I don't think that necessarily BP and BP distributor are on opposing teams. It already looks like we have a fair bit of ability duplication in this setup. And especially now seeing Nos treated the massclaim seriously, and was town, i'm feeling scum are far more likely to lie amongst those who were opposed to claiming.
Nacho, do you have other abilities than your bomb? Details are not required, just a simple yes/no.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:13 am
by Vedith
↑Xtoxm wrote:Vedith, I don't think that necessarily BP and BP distributor are on opposing teams.
I'm not just BP distributor.
I'm sure that he is lying.
But oh well. I'll leave that to you lot to let live.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:23 am
by Xtoxm
How can you be sure he is lying? Ganon being bulletproof makes complete flavour sense, we've just seen kefka flip town, and the way he claimed looks pretty genuine imo.
Because you have even less content than me... What have you even done?
You are 1 post (forced) for me, that's 144
I can't say other reasons why...
Nice defense. You do realize this is basically OMGUS, right? Doesnt matters if your attacker is scummy ir imactive, the necessary part is the evudence that us brought against.
↑Donempire wrote:do you think any sane scum would do that kind of fishing?
Yes, yes I do.
Firing a shotgun into river isnt fishing.
I dont see the reason why you dont trust randoms claim. Ganon as bulletproof makes flavor sense and expecting a BP in this kind of setup. I also dont think starbuck was that scummy except for inactivity.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:50 am
by Starbuck
I'm still fairly uncertain of Davsto and it concerns me that he has been the loudest voice for an ASP lynch from the start. I'm slightly worried that he could have gotten saddled with a lazy scumpartner, and is doing his best to bus/distance.
On the opposite, ASP hasn't been here to really contribute or prove this meta wrong. We're getting so close to deadline that he may be our best candidate for today.
Scum RB got pressured, got claims, stayed alive and won game.
Not a normal player.
↑Knuckles wrote:Xtoxm's been on a long hiatus, his scumgame isn't batshit, pretty unlikely move coming from him.
Aunt Jemina also did it in a game where it was more likely to hurt: JasonT is a well-established mod who mods pretty normal games where power is centered on protective/investigative roles. This game is different.
Can either Knuckles or Aj explain what this convo was about?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:28 am
by Aj The Epic
You know, its role madness and scum are most likely going to have some fake claim. Hunting off of roles is going to get nowhere (See: nacho).
SoS we were talking about scum initiating a mass claim. Nacho wanted me to point a game out where they did. My example was Aunt Jemina who had a role blocker claim and ran with it. Town lost off of it, they just started picking roles.
If we're relying on Davesto to prove himself via vigging tonight, that's fine. But I do not see anything from his play that indicates town.
Dongmire jumping in and asking if sane scum would do it is also not rational. It was floated out as a question on policy, not a normal fish. People responding to it were not smart because town has reasonably gained absolutely nothing from this scenario. And, is it that surprising? A good setup shouldn't give the town an inherent advantage by simply mass claiming.
Lastly, bask in the glory of Xtoxm saying Starbuck's post isn't terrible probably SOLELY off the fact starbuck unvoted him.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:52 am
by Starbuck
But notice the lack of explanation of his vote straight off the bat on me. It's complete OMGUS at its finest.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:27 am
by Davsto
VOTE: A Simple Plan because that's who it was on before the dayvig and basically nothing has changed since then.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:08 am
by Vedith
@wgeurts - I'm on Randon?
Something has come up I'll be back tomorrow so decide a lynch I guess.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:10 am
by Starbuck
Vedith, the votes were reset after the DayVig. You have to vote again.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:29 am
by Donempire
VOTE: Vedith
Thats my lynch 4 today.
The random vote was useless.
OMGUS accusations.
Cemeting a dayvig mislynch for later.
And probably more, i already stated my reasons.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:40 am
by grapes
So I've read stuff mostly. And will be free today and tomorrow so I can help us figure out a lynch.
From what I'm hearing of ASP. Doesn't sound like a bad lynch at all.
Gonna look into starbuck now and see what's going on there.
Not voting vedith today, or probably ever.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:56 am
by grapes
isod starbuck and yea i could lynch that
she hasn't given any townreads, which feels pretty off
and yea i'll get flack for this but i got super beetlejuice vibes from her showing up directly after the dayvig and got a couple votes
like, it'd be another story if she had an outstanding super town catch up but it was pretty lackluster imo - just a lot of empty comments and like no hard stances taken, in particular didn't like the super waffle on ASP (who to anyone paying attention to the gamestate is pretty much the likeliest wagon to get traction right now)
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:57 am
by grapes
would flashwagon randommidget as well
iso is a wastleland
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:24 pm
by Starbuck
↑grapes wrote:and yea i'll get flack for this but i got super beetlejuice vibes from her showing up directly after the dayvig and got a couple votes
Trust me, I know. I just logged on and started reading/catching up from where I left off.
It's a gif I think he'd be less likely to post as scum. You disagree?
Yes, I disagree. It's a null-tell, as someone who makes jokes/posts silly gifs regardless of alignment.
Of course, alone it's a null-tell, but with the series of few, empty posts it comes with, it contributes towards the scumread.
The reason that makes it a little townier than not is that he naturally has more to fear from the two hydrae if he's scum and posting "AAAAH! I'M SO AFRAID OF STRONG PLAYERS!" would be strange from ASP as scum in that it's either disingenuous and cheeky or ballsy.
↑Knuckles wrote:A Simple Plan - I thought that his initial vote for random midget while expressing that he didn't like breaking the games was pretty town because it's a ballsy as shit claim to make at the beginning of the game (game is broken, this player is scum, what we did to make the game broken is stupid). The thing that prevents this read from becoming a full town read is that he later unvoted for reasons I'm not really understanding; if he can explain this satisfactorily, will upgrade this.
SoS - We have a long drawn out dynamic with SoS that ends in me focusing on them harder than I do on other players. Not really confident or interested in talking about this read right now; doubt they're getting lynched today so probably not necessary anyways.
Davsto - Vigilante claims are something that come from town an overwhelming majority of the time IMO. I don't think mafia have a full vigilante as one of their power roles; if they do, I don't think davsto claims it off the bat.
↑Knuckles wrote:Xtoxm - I think that his "let's massclaim" "I was lying about my role btw" is something that's very very unlikely to be coming from scum, I guess I can get into this if need be but I don't really think it's something scum does. Like his immediate unvote of our slot and then pushback on our reads, and I like his expressed excitement about the game getting interesting. This is by far my strongest townread so it's the type of read I'm pretty surprised that people don't see; let me know if I need to make a big post explaining my reasoning in depth here.
Dongempire - Also an incredibly strong town read, I thought his claim in and of itself felt town from how casually he claimed "we're mass claiming? ok, here's my role"; it felt honest and it came at a time where it would be safe for scum to disagree with massclaim and if he was feeling unsure he most definitely would have looked at what other people were doing and that was definitely saying "it's okay for you not to claim!". I like the way he's reading me; he initially had us as strong town and then decided we could be trusted if we hit scum. I like one other thing he's posted, will glance there when I'm back.
Noseferatu - The only point in his favor is that his role is scummy as hell, but if wgeurts didn't give him a role safe claim (which, since I remember reading wgeurts commenting on a Mafia Discussion thread that "fake claiming was half the fun" is doubtful), then Nosferatu could have just claimed his scummy scum role in thread and not realized how terrible it would sound.
I don't like his position on mass claiming; it seems like he claimed because he was forced to, then he outs that he disagrees with a massclaim for legit reasoning - don't see why this happens as town. His only inclinations towards scum hunting are in the early townread on Pepto which doesn't do shit for me and questioning SoS vote on us which also doesn't do shit for us.
Nacho/MS have you played some games with most of the player list?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:48 pm
by grapes
↑Starbuck wrote:Trust me, I know. I just logged on and started reading/catching up from where I left off.
that's fine and dandy; but also not the largest issue ive got with you
could you possibly go into who you think is town/scum a bit?
how good do you feel about that ASP vote?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:05 pm
by grapes
honestly thinking about it ASP is probably a better vig shot, as would be random but bulletproof and all that
SoS, could you go into your thoughts on starbuck? I recall you had some suspicions there but don't remember if you elaborated.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:27 pm
by Xtoxm
With 24h~ to go and the number of people not participating in this game, i'm not sure a lynch other than ASP is even achievable right now.
i wouldnt call him scum if you flipped town but wouldnt trust him either.