A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[SirCakez]

But this Mirhawk push sucks

No its good Mirhawk's posts just went to shit shush

[Mirhawk]

@Cakes
I stand behind what I said. Whats your issue with it?

[SirCakez]

349 is a giant fencesit, and now you're questioning if Ami claimed Miller or not when its obvious she did.

[Mirhawk]

Whats wrong with my fence? A miller CC is by no means a solid scumtell. I'm willing to give it a shot but it's pretty obvious that I'm not that confident in it.

In either case Ami has most certainly not claimed miller. She has implied she is the miller, she hasn't outright said it anywhere. I want a confirmation from her that this is not a gambit, because if it is then there's no reason for me to be voting Pistachio.

[beeboy]

But this Mirhawk push sucks

No its good Mirhawk's posts just went to shit shush

I don't see how it was different from mine or anyone elses response

[SirCakez]

Beeboy are you even reading the thread?

[True Ogre]

I've played one or two games with Dave but not too recently. I liked his entrance. He jumped in and questioned something he saw. I also agreed with post 90 where he saw BeeBoy's buddy question as a potential trap. I read it the same way. Overall I'm leaning town on him. How about you? What do you think? Any players that stick out good or bad?

I was of a similar impression. His entrance generally felt awkward-ish but had the feeling of wanting to "do stuff" which from my limited interdimensional experience with him seemed town.

As far as other folks go then, I'd be delighted for you to nominate a person to have a take on, otherwise what do you think of the Nacho/Plot hydra? I like Nacho's follow-ups but don't feel like I could read Plotinus if my life depended on it.

Not trying to interfere with your conversation, but this is as good a post as any to use as an entry for my own questions.

Why say this? Why not just ask your questions? Looks like you are trying to step carefully.

I understand this as it was one interpretation that I took from his first few posts also. However I don't think it's scummy.

VOTE: Friendless Seniors

Why not vote anyone in your entrance then immediately sheep Beeboy onto Seniors?

My initial post was actually cross-posted by beeboy. I wanted to see where he was going with the Sakura thing, but in the meantime he decided to back off and go back to Seniors. Seemed consistent to me and since Seniors were my stongest scumlean at the time a vote on them (and a sheep of beeboy) didn't pose a problem, and still doesn't.

[beeboy]

Beeboy are you even reading the thread?

Yes

[True Ogre]

Hello all.

beeboy Seniors read is exaggerated to the point that I don't think it's even supposed to look real. Crosses over into not alignment indicative.
Ogre sheeping it looks scummy, especially since Ogre is pretty new.
@Ogre What was your motivation to do so?

Agree that the beeboy Sakura dip was waffly.

Mmm-mmm.
Seniors read seems to be a tell that beeboy is convinced of. I don't have any reason to think it's not true and their posting seems overly neutral. Like far more so than what you're calling waffly.

"Ogre is pretty new" is factually incorrect and I'm concerned that you throw in that statement as some kind of padding for "sheeping looks scummy".
You'll agree then that sheeping looks towny at times. Depending on motication and whether the player is new or knows what they're doing.

So you've decided that because I am new sheeping is scummy, but you don't attempt to figure out whether I am actually new.

*grumbles*

[SirCakez]

My initial post was actually cross-posted by beeboy. I wanted to see where he was going with the Sakura thing, but in the meantime he decided to back off and go back to Seniors. Seemed consistent to me and since Seniors were my stongest scumlean at the time a vote on them (and a sheep of beeboy) didn't pose a problem, and still doesn't.

You said in your entrance you didn't think anyone warranted a vote thohh.

[True Ogre]

You said in your entrance you didn't think anyone warranted a vote thohh.

Yes and I also indicated that I found Seniors scummy. You might want to reread my first post.

[SirCakez]

Yes you said that as well. My issue with is Beeboy made one post and you just voted Seniors instantly, despite expressing reservations in your previous post.

[True Ogre]

My reservations were to do with his push on Sakura who I was not reading as scum. I did not expect him to back off so quickly but when he did I was more inclined to read him as town, as scum-beeboy had no reason to back off unless he was town and open to changing reads. Thus the sheep. Along with my own read on Seniors anyway.

[Friendless Seniors]

spiffeh, he voted me that's a push in my books.

semantics?

[Spiffeh]

Why was his bad over anyone else that voted without reason?

[beeboy]

VOTE: Seniors

meh those other guys can be sorted later.

[Spiffeh]

@Spiffy: Why was it necessary of you to unvote for them to address the problems?
(Sorry im kinda reading in reverse because i dont remember where i left off)

His complaining about me and beeboy tunneling and being stubborn paralleled how he acted when he was ganged up on as town in a game that recently finished

[dramonic]

dramonic vote for PP w/ me please

Dram no vote with me.

If either of you can provide me with a good reason to ignore obvscum Axel, then sure?

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Whats wrong with my fence? A miller CC is by no means a solid scumtell. I'm willing to give it a shot but it's pretty obvious that I'm not that confident in it.

In either case Ami has most certainly not claimed miller. She has implied she is the miller, she hasn't outright said it anywhere. I want a confirmation from her that this is not a gambit, because if it is then there's no reason for me to be voting Pistachio.

Are we reading the same thread?:

Yooooooo

VOTE: beeboy

I'm a miller.

Tip: if you want to fakeclaim Miller as scum, you should probably wait until everyone else has posted so you can be sure nobody else is an actual Town Miller.

VOTE: pistachion

That reads to me as a CC, so yes your fence sit is pretty bad.

~M

[SirCakez]

My reservations were to do with his push on Sakura who I was not reading as scum. I did not expect him to back off so quickly but when he did I was more inclined to read him as town, as scum-beeboy had no reason to back off unless he was town and open to changing reads. Thus the sheep. Along with my own read on Seniors anyway.

That's not what I'm referring to.
I'm referring to how you said "I'm withholding my vote for now" then immediately voted in your next post.

[THE WRONG WAGON]

As far as other folks go then, I'd be delighted for you to nominate a person to have a take on, otherwise what do you think of the Nacho/Plot hydra? I like Nacho's follow-ups but don't feel like I could read Plotinus if my life depended on it.

I can pretty much grab scum-nacho pretty well. last few games we played before our break I was able to spot him pretty early on, plus then there's tammy who can also spot him fairly easy tooo. I also can't read Ploti so!

~M

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Unvote
Vote: Pistachio

Eh, what the hell.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Going to vote and then talk to GM about it. If she feels differently we will certainly change our vote, but I am frankly starting to see not-town here.

I'm not sure how if she doesn't believe that Ami cc'd, but is willing to jump onto the building train that was happening that early page on.

I'm certainly a lot more sure of Mirhawk being scum than I was when I was reading early yesterday.

~M

[THE WRONG WAGON]

Alright, so far I haven't seen anything out of place for Nacho. So I'm unsure why you're focusing him for a sort so early on. Also then there's the fact Ploti is in that hydra too.

What do you mean about me? Do you mean that Sakura should be trying to sort us based on my posting or something else?

Seniors is policy tho.

Only scum wouldn't buddy up with me because I always hit scum when I wagon someone.
Seniors know this and should have accepted my hand in friendship but they don't want to be forced to bus.

I don't really know why, but this made me laugh.

Doesn't it remind you kind of my early push on Persivul in our last game? Beeboy's point makes about as much sense to me as my points against Persivul made to myself in that game.


Mirhawk could be town. I like the kinds of questions they're asking. Feels like genuine scumhunting.

I kinda screwed up tags.

I think I need to go back and skim a quick Sakura game. I /may/ have forgotten how she plays. I just think it's odd that she's going to sort Nacho part of your hydra, but it doesn't seem like she has engaged him /yet/. It's also odd how she's not really going to sort you because she has two parts of the hydra to get an easier read on you both. It's just really odd and I'm not sure why it bothers me so much. I don't know why, but her playstyle is reminding me a mixture of three other players into one.

It kinda does. I already made a comment to GM about beeboy's posts have been bugging me, but she told me it's normal beeboy so I think I'm going to wait and see how this goes.

I also was early reading Mirhawk, but the last three pages erased that townread plus GM was saying that Mirhawk's posts weren't sitting with her right.

~M

[Friendless Seniors]

THIS IS EP
ROB GUESS WHAT!!!! I GOT INTO BERKELEY

Tell me when you are caught up so I can respond to you

you ever gonna do this?
because some of the things you're spitting out are so far from logical thought that i'm surprised you're not reacting to me calling your push garbage. I mean, when I call your pushes garbage, you usually react. Why not this time?

By the way here's why I want cakez to die. not exactly the same as hippy but i'll see what hippy thinks about it.

Tell me when you are caught up so I can respond to you

Yeah Seniors' vote on me is awful lmao
I haven't fencesat anywhere. "Scumreading anyone making an impact" is wtf and false.
Beeboy scum read is from his ubertunnel on Seniors and the aforementioned waffle on Sakura.
Seniors scum read is from the Snarky vote, little scumhunting and now this terrible misrep.

Look at this reads list and tell me that it isn't fabricated.
He says Tictac, Ogre, us, and Beeboy are scum.
EVEN IGNORING the fact that the reasons for reading beeboy and us are trash-
Beeboy is scumreading us and tictac
tictac + we are scumreading Ogre
ogre is scumreading us
I understand that you don't have to have cohesion in a group of players that you pick out to be scum, but the fact that you think all 4 are scummy to some degree shows that you aren't actually evaluating and analyzing your reads to see if they are correct via what the game state looks like.

okay good, sakura is probably town
and so is amihan

TO DO LIST:
ISO Pied Piper
ISO Mirhawk
Talk to hippy

-EP

[SirCakez]

Correct via the game state? Wtf
These reads could easily be scum together. I was scum with Beeboy in Borderlands, we scumread each other the entire game. He's definitely one to distance.