Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:14 pm
not really, but i suppose you could argue she didIn post 373, Brian Skies wrote:She followed up on this and scumread Dunn though.
not really, but i suppose you could argue she didIn post 373, Brian Skies wrote:She followed up on this and scumread Dunn though.
Well in Necro, there wound up being two wolves on my wagon, both of them were just sheeping and one of them in particular didn’t even bother giving a reason for it. That’s one of the reasons I excluded Moment as a possibility because if there’s a wolf on my wagon, it’s likely to be someone who is sheeping and probably opportunistic.In post 370, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Anyway I think for a townie the natural reaction to getting suddenly wagoned like that is to assume there's scum on their wagon and you're already working on finding said scum, so maybe im wrong here.
UNVOTE:
Oh, you're right.In post 375, zMuffinMan wrote:not really, but i suppose you could argue she didIn post 373, Brian Skies wrote:She followed up on this and scumread Dunn though.
i don't really think this makes sense, eitherIn post 359, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I hate mislynches, so I would rather sort someone like her out. That’s why I didn’t include in her in the most likely list of possible wolves on my wagon because I have no doubt that the scum vote(s) on me is most likely an opportunistic vote.
I was actually caught as scum before cuz I did just that >_>In post 379, zMuffinMan wrote:i have an innate bias against people who use words like opportunistic to describe votes, so take things i say with a grain of salt i suppose
Possibly is a weak word and for good reason because I don’t like to use strong words unless I’m sure. I did feel more strongly that Brian, Moment or Kaede weren’t likely to be them and Kaede has already validated my reason for excluding her because her vote on me was a reaction test not opportunistic.In post 372, zMuffinMan wrote:"possibly" is a weak wordIn post 365, Brian Skies wrote:How so?In post 362, zMuffinMan wrote:the language here is interestingIn post 356, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I think at least one of Dunn, Nos, Kat is possibly a wolf
especially when combined with "at least"
(ignoring any other issues i might have with that statement, such as why she didn't include kaede or why she picked three names and made no conclusion about which one she thought was most likely or anything)
it's not fence-sitting - fence-sitting would be someone who's unable to decide (e.g. someone weighing up the pros and cons of something but being unable to decide which is more likely)In post 374, Ginngie wrote:I wouldn't call it fence sitting because that is a pool of suspects that nancy is interested in.
hehIn post 370, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Anyway I think for a townie the natural reaction to getting suddenly wagoned like that is to assume there's scum on their wagon and you're already working on finding said scum, so maybe im wrong here
In post 372, zMuffinMan wrote:such as why she didn't include kaede or why she picked three names and made no conclusion about which one she thought was most likely or anything
In post 356, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Looking at the votes on me, I dislike Dunnstral’s ISO the most.I think at least one of Dunn, Nos, Kat is possibly a wolf.
In post 359, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Dunn’s ISO seems to be full of weird posts, like demanding Grape self-vote (trying to hard to look town), Insisting, rather than speculating that Mastina’s claim has to be fake and aggressively pushing Wisdom lynch. All of this before opportunistically sheeping onto my wagon.
a. no, this would not be "a first" (maybe for you, but a 6-person all-town wagon with 17 alive in a 14:3 game isn't so rare that you should be amazed that it could happen)In post 367, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Do you think I’m incorrect about this and that my wagon is 100% town? Because that would definitely be a first
How does this not make sense? I gave one reason for whom I excluded, Yes it doesn’t specifically relate to the 3 votes I was most sus about other than the fact I wasn’t scumreading her before her vote on me, so it would make no sense to suddenly scumread her solely based on that.In post 378, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't really think this makes sense, eitherIn post 359, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I hate mislynches, so I would rather sort someone like her out. That’s why I didn’t include in her in the most likely list of possible wolves on my wagon because I have no doubt that the scum vote(s) on me is most likely an opportunistic vote.
she has to sort out all three of the people she listed anyway, so the first sentence isn't a good reason
the second sentence might explain it if she thought like that, but it just seems like an assertion based on nothing
Do we have a possible misunderstanding based on semantics? Because “opportunistic” is exactly the correct word to describe the two scum votes on me in Necro.In post 379, zMuffinMan wrote:i have an innate bias against people who use words like opportunistic to describe votes, so take things i say with a grain of salt i suppose
yes (but i can't be sure you're using the same definition of "opportunistic" as i am so this seems like a pointless discussion). though it depends on the player and the context of any given vote in any given game, i supposeIn post 386, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Are you seriously asserting that scum votes aren’t usually opportunistic votes?
Alright, I can see that. I have seen wolves misuse that word, so fair enough.In post 387, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Do we have a possible misunderstanding based on semantics? Because “opportunistic” is exactly the correct word to describe the two scum votes on me in Necro.In post 379, zMuffinMan wrote:i have an innate bias against people who use words like opportunistic to describe votes, so take things i say with a grain of salt i suppose
Both wolves were knowingly jumping on a bad wagon in order to have a mislynch. That is the very epitome of opportunistic!
In post 385, zMuffinMan wrote:what do you think of post #363 (both in the context of what you just said and just as a general post)?In post 367, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Do you think I’m incorrect about this and that my wagon is 100% town? Because that would definitely be a first
It's a very confusing post.In post 363, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If you truly believe this then why is your vote still on me? Maybe you aren’t the wolf on my wagon? But why would you be so quick to vote me then?In post 352, Dunnstral wrote:Don't overestimate usIn post 349, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:assuming town is smart enough to not mislynch me
I mean that scum is obviously not voting for genuine pro-town reasons. That is specifically what I meant by “opportunistic”.In post 388, zMuffinMan wrote:yes (but i can't be sure you're using the same definition of "opportunistic" as i am so this seems like a pointless discussion). though it depends on the player and the context of any given vote in any given game, i supposeIn post 386, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Are you seriously asserting that scum votes aren’t usually opportunistic votes?
i have an aversion to words like "opportunistic" because they can be used to describe _anything_ with the right spin. it's a vague umbrella word and bad for communication that requires specificity
Once again, this didn't happenIn post 381, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:he had been aggressively scumreading others
If by his statement he is actually doubting his vote, was my initial interpretation of his comment. I didn’t think of the way you interpreted it but in either case, his comment doesn’t look good on him if he doesn’t remove his vote. It seems like it could possibly viewed as possible fallback for when he anticipates me flipping town. You OTOH, did not do that. You see my point here? I think I may be right. You are questioning, which I expect town to do, where as he already seems to be anticipating my flip and how to spin it, if your interpretation of his post is the correct one. I suppose I could be reaching here but I thought it was a strange comment to make because he was addressing me like he knew I was town.In post 390, Brian Skies wrote:In post 385, zMuffinMan wrote:what do you think of post #363 (both in the context of what you just said and just as a general post)?In post 367, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Do you think I’m incorrect about this and that my wagon is 100% town? Because that would definitely be a firstIt's a very confusing post.In post 363, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If you truly believe this then why is your vote still on me? Maybe you aren’t the wolf on my wagon? But why would you be so quick to vote me then?In post 352, Dunnstral wrote:Don't overestimate usIn post 349, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:assuming town is smart enough to not mislynch me
However, if I break it down, I assume what Dunn intends to mean is that if Nancy is indeed town, that he doesn't really think town should be expected to realize that she could be a bad lynch and not mislynch her.
Her immediate reaction seems fine, as she questions the sentiment, especially if Nancy thinks Dunn admitted to thinking she's mislynch bait. The third question follows up on her suspicion. The big issue I have is the second question, because it has this weird conflict where she considers him to be town, and I don't know why it's there.
I really don’t think I am misinterpreting it. He would not have made that post if he was 100% confident of his vote. Even if it was a “joke”, it clearly read to me that he read me as town. Why even make such a statement in that specific context otherwise? Why are you not even considering this?In post 393, zMuffinMan wrote:the first question i'm mostly ignoring (because dunn's post was clearly a joke and she seems to be misinterpreting it). the second question is the bad one, yes. the third question is bad in the context of the second (IMO). the first question is bad in the context of the second as well
I'm okay with these reads.In post 394, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't particularly feel like breaking this down into very minor details and explaining specifically what i don't like, so i will just float this out there and you can say whether you see why i might think this:
i currently think the most likely scum team is nancy-kaede-ginngie
subject to change on a whim if i feel like it