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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:59 pm
by schadd_
pagetop to raise excitement and awareness for the thing i pagetopped about last page
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:00 pm
by skitter30
In post 373, Nibbui wrote:
I don't think I like this post tbh
you said you had done things you wouldn't do as scum before so how you don't see why you would be town read?
@Pink I don't know about other words, but I wouldn't look on "shrug" because I use it a lot albeit on discord
I've been somewhat avoiding using it in games though for something sort of dumb and personal but I may change that
objectively i don't think i look/feel like town!me rn
i don't think i look/feel like scum!me either
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:02 pm
by Nibbui
In post 374, skitter30 wrote: In post 248, Pink Ball wrote: In post 93, northsidegal wrote:word choice / toneread
i know normally i might get annoyed at this kind of reasoning if it was used against myself but even still i couldn't help but notice it: you used the word "hmmm" three times in your first three posts (with two in the third), and seven times so far in your 33 post ISO
obviously the word "hmmm" on its own isn't scum indicative (.... i think), but i think that kind of verbal tic is something worth looking at, especially in comparison to your other games.
again, i kind of hate this reasoning when it's used against me so sorry about that, but i can't just ignore it.
Hey NSG, I was doing a metadive on Nibbui for the same reason (he uses the word "honestly" and "to be honest" way too much"), but on Open 741 he used the word "honest" 15 times and he was alive for only one day, so I think we are working with town!Nibbui here. I'm trying to sor now what's up with the word "feel" with Nibbui, since town!Nibbui usually "feels" things, and his discussion with Skitter seemed to be much more logical, but I'm inclined to believe this is town!Nibbui.
this post kinda feels like you're saying - his frequency of using 'honestly' matches his towngame so he might be town here?
which i guess felt a little weak to me? because unless you know how he uses it in his scumgame idk if it's actually an indicator that he's town
and i guess if you think people might be paranoid of using 'honestly' as scum, or of over-using it, why didn't you check whether or not that's true for him in a scumgame instead of looking at one of his towngames?
your logic feels a little twisty to me but i'm not sure if i've unraveled why yet
skitter Pink Ball's
366 kind of answer what you just asked/is wondering about
I'm not understanding why you're not paying much attention to his posts, I feel it's slightly AI but not sure to which side
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:05 pm
by Nibbui
In post 372, skitter30 wrote:kinda why i was questioning nsg's readslist; idk where the null-line was but it looked like i was above it and i don't think i really left my scumrange at that point and she's like super paranoid of my scumgame (see: schadd's coalition) so i felt like it was a little too easy of townlean tbh
yeah, I have a different idea about some parts of NSG's ISO than you guys but I share the astonishment on her read list.
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:07 pm
by Pink Ball
In post 365, skitter30 wrote:i could see why you think i might be fence-sitting, although i'm not really doing it on purpose
i'm feeling a little out-of-sync and i don't feel like i've found anything to really like *dig* into yet, and i'm noticing that i'm getting caught up in arguments for the sake of arguments which i don't really like doing and it isn't really helping me solve the game so i'm a little ???? and not sure where to go now; this isn't usually how i approach the game and i'm not sure where the disconnect is (i figured out i was feeling this like this afternoon and while i was writing the above post; at the same time i realized that i think i'm a little burnt out and that i might need a bit of a break from mafia after this). like i'm kinda reading the game and most of what i'm reading doesn't feel remarkable to me? or like i feel like i don't really have much to comment on? or that everything i'm reading just kinda is? idk
right now i'm trying to sort you and your tone/aggression/responses to votes on you feel bad but i'm starting to get the vibe that it might be a personality thing so idk
i don't really feel like i'm being careful with my votes, so much as i don't strongly scumread anyone yet
i like town!sheep and town!nibbui rn and those are the main reads i feel good about
why are/were you townleaning me?
(i know secret-alt etc but i wish i knew who you were so i knew where your impression of my game stems from)
I'm still townleaning you. You're interacting in real time when the gamestate is perfect for scum to not post that much (we have two players who are not playing at all and other two who I assume they don't have that much time? the duck and mastina I mean). You've pushed two players with enough confidence to make me believe you're not afraid of being read. What pings me is that I believe you have been focusing on minor things about those two (Nibbui and me) instead of having reads as a whole, but the way you're approaching people comes more often as town than scum. Also, knowing that you're aware that you're not being solvey is pretty much what I expect coming from town!you and not from scum!you.
About how you feel: I feel like that all the time lol this game is too intense for me, I'm not as smart as I would like to be I think. But I have fun trying, so maybe... have fun? And don't worry that much about it.
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:08 pm
by skitter30
yes, i was responding to that
and saying why his original post bothered me
i understand that he's saying that he thinks scum may be paranoid about using it too often so may not use it at all but i'm not entirely following his logic for why the frequency of the word 'honestly' in your towngames means it's something you don't/wouldn't do as scum
like for me i was 'tbh' almost like a verbal tic when i just write in my towngames, and i'm conscious of that so i do my best to put in my scumgames too
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:11 pm
by Nibbui
ok, I've just learned that I'm using the word "projecting" a bit wrongly.
I had got the original meaning right but I was as well using it with a somewhat different meaning in context
when I told duckling for example that he was "projecting" or that I as town "project" myself a lot, I was using it as meaning something more like "consciously presenting yourself in a certain way even though it doesn't reflect your real thoughts or persona".
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:14 pm
by Nibbui
Yeah about feeling nothing much remarkable about the game, I can share the feeling somewhat, it's a hard playerlist
I feel walking a fine line between saying "this is sort of too hard" and "this is some fun spicy game"
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:15 pm
by Pink Ball
In post 374, skitter30 wrote: In post 248, Pink Ball wrote: In post 93, northsidegal wrote:word choice / toneread
i know normally i might get annoyed at this kind of reasoning if it was used against myself but even still i couldn't help but notice it: you used the word "hmmm" three times in your first three posts (with two in the third), and seven times so far in your 33 post ISO
obviously the word "hmmm" on its own isn't scum indicative (.... i think), but i think that kind of verbal tic is something worth looking at, especially in comparison to your other games.
again, i kind of hate this reasoning when it's used against me so sorry about that, but i can't just ignore it.
Hey NSG, I was doing a metadive on Nibbui for the same reason (he uses the word "honestly" and "to be honest" way too much"), but on Open 741 he used the word "honest" 15 times and he was alive for only one day, so I think we are working with town!Nibbui here. I'm trying to sor now what's up with the word "feel" with Nibbui, since town!Nibbui usually "feels" things, and his discussion with Skitter seemed to be much more logical, but I'm inclined to believe this is town!Nibbui.
this post kinda feels like you're saying - his frequency of using 'honestly' matches his towngame so he might be town here?
which i guess felt a little weak to me? because unless you know how he uses it in his scumgame idk if it's actually an indicator that he's town
and i guess if you think people might be paranoid of using 'honestly' as scum, or of over-using it, why didn't you check whether or not that's true for him in a scumgame instead of looking at one of his towngames?
your logic feels a little twisty to me but i'm not sure if i've unraveled why yet
Ah yeah I get what you're saying, I ommited way too much info that I was thinking at that time. It's not like "he uses this word n-times as town and he's using it as much as that in here ERGO he's town". I was townreading Nibbui but the tone (using "honestly" too much) pinged me, so I looked for a town!Nibbui game to see if he did it as town (since I thought/think he's town here) and confirmed that he does, so that stopped pinging me. I don't know and don't care if he uses "honestly" as scum, what I needed to know was if he did as town. I'm NOT townreading Nibbui because of using the word "honestly" too much
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:16 pm
by skitter30
In post 379, Pink Ball wrote: In post 365, skitter30 wrote:i could see why you think i might be fence-sitting, although i'm not really doing it on purpose
i'm feeling a little out-of-sync and i don't feel like i've found anything to really like *dig* into yet, and i'm noticing that i'm getting caught up in arguments for the sake of arguments which i don't really like doing and it isn't really helping me solve the game so i'm a little ???? and not sure where to go now; this isn't usually how i approach the game and i'm not sure where the disconnect is (i figured out i was feeling this like this afternoon and while i was writing the above post; at the same time i realized that i think i'm a little burnt out and that i might need a bit of a break from mafia after this). like i'm kinda reading the game and most of what i'm reading doesn't feel remarkable to me? or like i feel like i don't really have much to comment on? or that everything i'm reading just kinda is? idk
right now i'm trying to sort you and your tone/aggression/responses to votes on you feel bad but i'm starting to get the vibe that it might be a personality thing so idk
i don't really feel like i'm being careful with my votes, so much as i don't strongly scumread anyone yet
i like town!sheep and town!nibbui rn and those are the main reads i feel good about
why are/were you townleaning me?
(i know secret-alt etc but i wish i knew who you were so i knew where your impression of my game stems from)
I'm still townleaning you. You're interacting in real time when the gamestate is perfect for scum to not post that much (we have two players who are not playing at all and other two who I assume they don't have that much time? the duck and mastina I mean). You've pushed two players with enough confidence to make me believe you're not afraid of being read. What pings me is that I believe you have been focusing on minor things about those two (Nibbui and me) instead of having reads as a whole, but the way you're approaching people comes more often as town than scum. Also, knowing that you're aware that you're not being solvey is pretty much what I expect coming from town!you and not from scum!you.
About how you feel: I feel like that all the time lol this game is too intense for me, I'm not as smart as I would like to be I think. But I have fun trying, so maybe... have fun? And don't worry that much about it.
yeah like i said i've been kinda nit-picky and i'm aware it's not solve-y and idk why i got into those arguments. i guess i was just trying to make myself understood because i felt at times like nibbui's wasn't really *getting* what i was trying to say, although what i was saying wasn't actually that important; i'm very aware i'm not being my usual game-solve-y self; and no, i'm not at all afraid of being read here
the out-of-sync-ness is kinda weird and not something i feel/experience often so i'm wondering if it's cuz i'm a bit burnt out in like a holistic sense, not just cuz of this game in particular; idk i'll see what i feel like in a few days, but yes, i do find mafia rather fun in a general sense
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:16 pm
by Nibbui
If I took some of my past games, even recently, as serious and logically as I'm taking this game, I think I would have done a lot better.
In post 380, skitter30 wrote:
i understand that he's saying that he thinks scum may be paranoid about using it too often so may not use it at all but i'm not entirely following his logic for why the frequency of the word 'honestly' in your towngames means it's something you don't/wouldn't do as scum
I don't think that was his argument at all
it's more that if I do it both as town and scum it's irrelevant to try to read me by that
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:16 pm
by skitter30
In post 381, Nibbui wrote:ok, I've just learned that I'm using the word "projecting" a bit wrongly.
I had got the original meaning right but I was as well using it with a somewhat different meaning in context
when I told duckling for example that he was "projecting" or that I as town "project" myself a lot, I was using it as meaning something more like "consciously presenting yourself in a certain way even though it doesn't reflect your real thoughts or persona".
that's pretty much exactly what that means in this context
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:21 pm
by Pink Ball
In post 377, Nibbui wrote:
skitter Pink Ball's
366 kind of answer what you just asked/is wondering about
I'm not understanding why you're not paying much attention to his posts, I feel it's slightly AI but not sure to which side
She was clearly answering to that post
I think skitter is paying a lot of attention to my posts and she has noticed some remarcable mistakes about how I explain myself, and I'm glad she did 'cause that's something I should improve if I want to cooperate. Not that I'm being inconsistent, just plain stupid
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:24 pm
by skitter30
@pinkball i think i understand where your thought process better now
In post 385, Nibbui wrote:If I took some of my past games, even recently, as serious and logically as I'm taking this game, I think I would have done a lot better.
In post 380, skitter30 wrote:
i understand that he's saying that he thinks scum may be paranoid about using it too often so may not use it at all but i'm not entirely following his logic for why the frequency of the word 'honestly' in your towngames means it's something you don't/wouldn't do as scum
I don't think that was his argument at all
it's more that if I do it both as town and scum it's irrelevant to try to read me by that
i guess my problem was more like: if he only checked your towngame how does he know what you do as scum at all - it's hard to know if it's irrelevant or not without knowing how you do it as scum
but he elaborted and i don't think i understood his thought process the first time; he was more thinking - sometimes scum overuse/over-refernce 'honesty' and he's using it a lot here - but eh he does that as town so it's not inherently scum!indicative for him
like i kinda read his point as coming from the opposite direction if that makes sense
(and part of why i feel out of sync is because i don't usually misread/misunderstand/misinterpret thigns so much? idk)
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:26 pm
by Pink Ball
Ok I'm off to bed. I'm pretty satisfied with this back and forth, I'm getting comfortable with my reads. From tomorrow to new year's I'll be only able to post from my phone and with less frequency, so don't have too much fun with me.
@sheep you have almost won my heart
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:27 pm
by Nibbui
I don't think you are being stupid PB, I find some of your points here very solid but anyway I disagree thinking that skitter was answering after carefully reading
366 but I sorta don't want to discuss that? doesn't feel it will go anywhere.
We need some guys to show up here to move on the game I guess because I don't know anything relevant to talk about with you guys anymore
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:28 pm
by skitter30
g'night!
eh maybe you are person A? some things you say make me think that but your tone feels different
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:29 pm
by Pink Ball
In post 388, skitter30 wrote:sometimes scum overuse/over-refernce 'honesty' and he's using it a lot here - but eh he does that as town so it's not inherently scum!indicative for him
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:32 pm
by Nibbui
I feel sheep can go either way here.
town at face-value but in hindsight not really
his scum game is good though if he is scum here
I'm not sure I know who PB is tbh but I don't want to talk about that anymore as well
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:13 pm
by the worst
i'm so in 'gottem mode' because i think nsg is uncharacteristically caught zzz
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:42 pm
by Nibbui
I suppose your read on NSG is the most AI thing you've in your ISO but I don't know how to read it yet
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:10 am
by Pink Ball
Just to confirm:
mod, I'll be V/LA until new year, only phone posting
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:15 am
by sheepsaysmeep
In post 379, Pink Ball wrote:You're interacting in real time when the gamestate is perfect for scum to not post that much
meh i think this is a pretty good put into words form of why i liked skitter earlier
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:12 am
by podoboq
Holy shit, guys.
I guess I'm starting my read now. I'll post thoughts as I go. Gonna have to take a break for lunch in a bit.
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:19 am
by podoboq
In post 33, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i kinda v read tw already off of how comfortable/natural he feels vs how much he hates randing wolf
nibbui kinda feels wolfily awkward like they dont know in what way to post in the situation they were in and responded terribly to the wagon being on them
I don't agree with this. I think nibbui's entrance was fine.