Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:13 am
Think scum may have accidentally done us a favor though since I was going to push him today.
@Chii, I’m wondering what made my posts chill!town to chill!scum.In post 373, AaronFrost wrote:What changed your read on Salad between days?
I'm still working on that. I have this gut feeling that it's someone on my town list that's really good at hiding. I just don't know which one. And no, it's not me....In post 383, Saladman27 wrote:@Yoda, who do you think is “my partner”?
So, I'm not sure how to answer this question since I've pretty much explained everything so far, but I'll reinforce my reasoning then... At the end of the post so I answer both you and Salad at the same time.In post 373, AaronFrost wrote:What changed your read on Salad between days?
If that's the case, I truly believe that none of the SE or experienced with Mafia overall is actually scum. In an earlier post you said that all I did feels like newb!town to you, I would like you to define "newb". Is it platform-wise or general Mafia game-wise?In post 374, AaronFrost wrote:I think the likely explanation for GeorgeBailey's death was that scum thought he was a PR.
I would like more info on this. You've already posted your list and then came up with a contradiction, I mean, at the end of my post I've posted what everyone can read in the Mod posts, so don't take my request as FoS. I'm genuinely curious of how you associate me to Salad. What puts me in this light to you?In post 378, AaronFrost wrote:I think Salad/Chiibie could be the team. Salad/Yoda is also possible.
I don't think Salad/Gimm1ck are ever a team.
I've put you on my first list as Town, however, I've never respected the order. This is something I usually reveal later in-game, but seems like I do have a FoS on me (Aaron), so I should start explaining my game-flow.In post 379, Saladman27 wrote:@Chii, I’m wondering what made my posts chill!town to chill!scum.In post 373, AaronFrost wrote:What changed your read on Salad between days?
Now you've pushed Gimm1ck, which is somehow strange to me. It was sudden, but you did mention about his own contradiction on Dong's mislynch, however, instead of questioning and pushing him to explain stuff, you voted on sight. That's off to me, IMO Town should always try and push their scumreads to say something wrong and then vote. Once you push someone and they say something wrong, that's when you can support your arguments and start a conflict, I would say, or what is it called here, a wagon.In post 280, Chibiie wrote:[...]
IMO,, therefore I gave him towncred. His plays are literally just... I haven't seen him getting too involved and that either because he doesn't want much attention on him (assuming he is PR, anyone can be at this point, we still haven't pushed someone to claim), or he's taking part of this game out of respect (assuming he's just a Vanilla Town with no other power, but to help us solve the puzzle).Salad is the most neutral read I have
, however, I trust that a scum will select a target to try and push for a lynch. A specific target, someone that can be read as a big influence for Town...I could've also assumed he's scum
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Gimm1ck wasn’t really pushy. While yes I should’ve prob didn’t vote him right off the bat, I voted him because his argument against me was just a regurgitated version of other people’s case on me.In post 385, Chibiie wrote:.
Aaron is an example, he's been talkative, shared thoughts and his effect on people was positive, so people trust him, however, I can also say Salad-Gimm1ck is an example.Gimm1ck became pretty pushy against Salad and so Salad voted against him. These are humans habits.
In post 197, GeorgeBailey wrote:Salad:
I think Salad is Scum simply because of his newest post.
Using a Random number generator to choose a wagon, seems really scummy, I get that it was to "spice things up" but I feel like scum would hide "Randomness" into their votes.Just as an excuse to vote someone without an actual reason.
In post 278, Yodavader wrote:In post 198, Saladman27 wrote:I used randomness because of my indecisiveness. May I ask why you’re keeping your vote on Merfin?Again, I don't see any real thought as to why.In post 209, Saladman27 wrote:Actually, VOTE: Spartan for now, I’ll wait for dong to come back from v/la.It looks like he is just trying to jump on whatever wagon is there.
Plus, I know that my post count is the lowest but if you look at the actual content, I think Salad has had the least to add. I only mention this because people keep talking about my post count. I honestly think that Merfin added more to the game than Salad. At least Merfin had a post explaining why they voted for someone and had examples.
VOTE: Salad
In post 355, Gimm1ck wrote:In post 284, Yodavader wrote:So, you are basically saying that you will just +1 whatever the biggest wagon is currently?In post 281, Saladman27 wrote:-snipping my quote so that it's not adding to the wall of text-
First, I said for some bullshit reason because I actually forgot why. I put dong on there because they were one of the top 2 wagons. I voted spartan because I wanted to wait for dong, but I should’ve unvoted instead.In post 285, Saladman27 wrote:Not necessarily now, but yeah, basically.
I honestly do not like this. While yes, having a flip day one is beneficial to town,you should not be mindlessly hopping on to a wagon for the sheer sake of having a wagon- this is personally a scummy mindset.
I generally feel that town would have a wagon going on a scumread/lean and be pressuring that slot at that current moment - having a filler post of 'I'm going to +1 the biggest wagon' without making significant attempts to wagon onto another person you personally feel is scummy (or providing a reason to +1 the wagon), I classify that as scummy.
I will leave both of these here.In post 351, AaronFrost wrote:[...]
1) To confuse us. Pretty much everyone expressed some concerns against him during the last day phase, so keeping him alive and having the town pressure and possibly mislynch him would be the optimal choice, but sometimes scum will make sub-optimal choices for the purpose of throwing us off. This seems unlikely to happen, especially in a Newbie game.
2) Scum thought he was PR. PR's tend to play a little bit scummy/low-profile so that scum won't kill them, but not too scummy that they'll get mislynched. This seems the more likely scenario to me since it's important for scum to PR hunt and get rid of any advantage that the town has.
This is the kind of kill I see coming from someone who's experienced with mafia and/or someone who's being coached by an experienced player. I think at least one of our remaining SE (Salad/teacher) players is scum.
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It is not FoS. It is info that I use to back-up my analyses.AaronFrost wrote:I think the likely explanation for GeorgeBailey's death was that scum thought he was a PR.
To continue this assumption, I would like to say that the contradiction was in one post only actually.In post 385, Chibiie wrote:I'm actually curious because you're also the one who said that this NK was something an SE would do to throw Town off, yet now you say that it is likely that George was read as PR.
To be clear, it wasnt a claim, and I didnt think it was. In fact, I thought George claimed VT in his first post.In post 82, GeorgeBailey wrote:1. What is your experience at Mafia
This is my first game. But I've a lot of the variants of Mafia.
2. How do you play as town
I'm guessing you gotta just beand deduce suspicious actionsfriendly
3. How do you play as scum
I'm guessing I have to be secretive and get innocents lynched
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town
Scum:Eagerness to Vote, defending player for no reason.Town:Skeptical of baseless lynches.Friendly?
5. Time zone/standard posting times
EDT
With VT being the initials of the bottom text.
Im concerned that the level of your involvement, and level of skill, has changed so much across days. Why did you hold this back D1?In post 386, Chibiie wrote:I hope my posts are aesthetically pleasing to y'all. I am enjoying doing this a lot.
In case you didnt catch it, I intentionally didnt share reads because I want to start over from scratch and reread the game. I was clearly fairly off base yesterday.In post 393, Saladman27 wrote:@Teach, who do you think is “my partner”?
The only person I could choose from my list that is town/town-leaning would probably be teacher. Again, IMO, he was the clear cut NK choice and it didn't happen. I tried to come up with reasons on the others but couldn't find anything that gave an inkling of nontown.In post 394, Saladman27 wrote:@yoda, if you had to choose one person from your town list to be “my partner” who would it be?
In post 385, Chibiie wrote:If that's the case, I truly believe that none of the SE or experienced with Mafia overall is actually scum. In an earlier post you said that all I did feels like newb!town to you, I would like you to define "newb". Is it platform-wise or general Mafia game-wise?In post 374, AaronFrost wrote:I think the likely explanation for GeorgeBailey's death was that scum thought he was a PR.
Mostly platform-wise. You mentioned you had played social deduction games elsewhere but this was your first time on MS. The reason I say this is because of your idea of no lynching yesterday, which is not the norm on this site.
I'm actually curious because you're also the one who said that this NK was something an SE would do to throw Town off, yet now you say that it is likely that George was read as PR.
Solid misrep. I said it was possible, but unlikely. In the very same post I mention that it's more likely that scum thought he was a PR.
Any experienced Mafia player should be able to see that (and this is my point of view only, as always) George had no PR-hints in his posts, besides the possible Masons (Dong / George), otherwise, I, personally couldn't see any other PR-hints.
That's from your point of view though. Like teacher pointed out, there were some potential indications that George could've been the FN, and that's something that people are likely to miss. Even I'm usually pretty bad at noticing crumbs until they're pointed out to me.
I call this a contradiction, which makes me wanna lower you down on my TL, there are so many games where obvtown is actually scum and plays a perfect Town.
So what is the contradiction? I do agree that I've seen "obvtown" players turn out to be scum pretty often.
Yeah I can expand.In post 385, Chibiie wrote:I would like more info on this. You've already posted your list and then came up with a contradiction, I mean, at the end of my post I've posted what everyone can read in the Mod posts, so don't take my request as FoS. I'm genuinely curious of how you associate me to Salad. What puts me in this light to you?In post 378, AaronFrost wrote:I think Salad/Chiibie could be the team. Salad/Yoda is also possible.
I don't think Salad/Gimm1ck are ever a team.
But yet you're scumreading Salad now?In post 385, Chibiie wrote:If that's the case, I truly believe that none of the SE or experienced with Mafia overall is actually scum. In an earlier post you said that all I did feels like newb!town to you, I would like you to define "newb". Is it platform-wise or general Mafia game-wise?