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[Volpe14]

In forkbomb, I scumread Flubbernugget, which meant I town read him, and that’s how I forked Bins out of nowhere.

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[Volpe14]

And why should I take this push seriously

Maybe I'm being over the top with this but it really gives me deja vu of the numerous times the game was going to a useful trajectory and you come around to disturb it as either town or scum with a push from nowhere

I mean sure, you might have saved games with those pushes too but I know this isn't the case here?

[Flavor Leaf]

I felt like, the game was starting to go somewhere useful and you bang in and say "I've not read the thread but that sole vote is pretty scummy so let's go with that push" which can throw off the good direction/development it was going to? What is also...what I think scum you would do when town start gaining cohesion?

Not that you necessarily would be scum but I don't think it's something positive to be doing here.

edit: as scum you also try to claim that you would do better than what you're doing, constantly. so what? I do that too.

I disagree that this isn’t useful. 100%. If anything, this is more useful.

I don’t believe I claimed I would be doing better here, so I don’t understand that. I also don’t have a scum meta. Every single one of my scum games this year were forced to be drastically different.

I claim that as town, as can be seen in Skitter’s DC nom first paragraph.

Also, I have stated multiple times I am a far superior town player than I am a scum player. The people just don’t know it yet, but i have a lot of great solves over the years. I don’t think this was my best town year by any means, as I got mislynched like 3 times? Which is rough because previously I had gone about 2 years without being mislynched.

You’re grasping at straws with these statements.

[Flavor Leaf]

And why should I take this push seriously

Maybe I'm being over the top with this but it really gives me deja vu of the numerous times the game was going to a useful trajectory and you come around to disturb it as either town or scum with a push from nowhere

I mean sure, you might have saved games with those pushes too but I know this isn't the case here?

Then why are you hung up on it?

Skitter literally kills me everytime she’s scum against me (idk if this is true, but I feel like it is, and I have one game in mind this year that proves it) because of my unpredictability, a la me switching my reads on a dime as town.

Jingle, sorry, Bingle, as scum in Detective Penguin brought up likely having to kill me off because my best strength as town is my ability to reevaluate, so if you are town, you have zero need to continue this.

I’m not the one changing the trajectory of the game, you are.

I’m just living in the moment.

[Volpe14]

Like, your scum game is successful FL, you've a DC nom this year and a good number of victories, and regardless of whatever you might want to say here, I think one of the reasons is that you can come from nowhere and start changing things with those random pushes, and people don't hold you accountable for it because "it's just what FL does", but I'm not really letting that roll off here.

"I'm a flip flopper" is a pretty great, convenient sleeve trick to come with whatever you want when you need it.

[Dr Easy Bake]

Wow, y'all got me like...

Spoiler:

[Volpe14]

Then why are you hung up on it?

Maybe it actually just annoys me to have something so unpredictable. Maybe I just need to learn how to live with your unpredictability to be fair.

I'll probably end up putting you in the lynch pool sooner or later though if we go this route

[Volpe14]

Ok I'm done with this exchange to be fair.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, your scum game is successful FL, you've a DC nom this year and a good number of victories, and regardless of whatever you might want to say here, I think one of the reasons is that you can come from nowhere and start changing things with those random pushes, and people don't hold you accountable for it because "it's just what FL does", but I'm not really letting that roll off here.

"I'm a flip flopper" is a pretty great, convenient sleeve trick to come with whatever you want when you need it.

Sure, but your flip from defending yourself to offense when I haven’t even really pushed you rather than just stating I think it was scummy of you on the timing of the Chennis vote (now the defensiveness) is scummy, especially because you’re essentially pushing a “Can’t blame me for doing a BoP” push.

[Volpe14]

I'm not as much saying you should correctly find scum, it's more like BoP in the sense I would appreciate you reading the whole game thread and coming up with something more relatable to my reality to discuss...

[Volpe14]

Like, I could just have ignored your push on me and tried to mock you using Mini Normal Colors as an example, which is something I would do and it would be more effective, but I tried to go to the harder route of trying to understand where you're coming from and we just chatted for around 1 hour and nothing but frustration has come out of it for me. Maybe some scumminess to you but I'm not really sure.

[Volpe14]

which is something I would do as scum*, I meant

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve essentially read the entire game, but I’m out and about.

I have checked the rest of your posts after this exchange, and they still don’t really mean anything.

You’re acting like I’m pushing you for different reasons than I am.

I don’t care that you were pushing a town block. It’s the timing of your vote on Chennis.


What’s really damning is Chennis and Fakran disappearing after we started, and the lack of responses during this.

This is why you pushing like this is pointless is just plain untrue.


Honestly, Colors is one of those games I replaced into as town, and just tried my hardest to not replace out. I don’t remember a single moment of that game.

This is not like that moment, this is Team Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

I make much more sense as scum

[Flavor Leaf]

However, i don’t feel im not making sense here. This is rather straightforward

[Volpe14]

Fark warned that he would leave. Chennis leaving us to 1v1 is actually a bit bad though.

[Volpe14]

However, i don’t feel im not making sense here. This is rather straightforward

/shrug

You can say "the timing of it" as much as you want but I'm not sure what about voting the second vote on a wagon as a follow up rather than a serious push is...scummy?

It seems like a random gut ping compared to what's going on in the thread at that moment.

[Volpe14]

Sigh, I need to learn how to stop 1v1s

[Flavor Leaf]

Idc about the votes, it’s the gamestate.

[Flavor Leaf]

I really don’t even care that it happened. I’m just seeing how much juice you got in the defensive wagon of yours.

[Volpe14]

To be fair...a lot of it was because I felt like posting but the game was pretty slow for what I expected from the large game in TM. I had this friday mostly free to play the game but everything was somewhat monotone so I just kept replying to whatever came until I started to regret starting this in the first place because it seemed really pointless to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum are probably just coasting seeing where this exchange goes.

If Chennis/Fakran are both town, scum are hardcoasting.

[Volpe14]

Would you be willing to join Chennis wagon for now?

[Volpe14]

I'm indecisive about Chennis alignment and I think that would help me out

[nomnomnom]

I think I've been somewhat transparently trying not to dominate the game by not talking about my reads to not bias other people input on them/hurt general game development.

If I wanted to be town leader I would have not given up in leading discussions and would keep pushing Vex or Fark even if it would bias other people into their reads on those slots

I did the opposite of that.

These two posts are an immense redflag. To me it feels like you read FL's accusations and you decided to argue the one point a scum would argue about.
So much of a red flag I'm going to change my read on your slot.
VOTE: Volpe