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In post 373, Varsoon wrote:1. Telling me to kill myself/assume responsibility--something I wouldn't expect from town, blatant appeal to fear.

It's not an appeal to fear - it's called raising the stakes - you actually believe the nonsense you're peddling or don't you?


I don't mind trading my life for a scum's life.

In post 373, Varsoon wrote:2. Lying about what my case is to argue a literal lie; that I am pushing someone over playstyle rather than perceived scumminess--I won't say town don't lie, but you're actively trying to handwave my points without actually engaging with them at all.

I'm not lying about your case - i literally quoted your case and summarized it - just because your case is so weak that it can be summarized as

"Koba is an asshole"

or even weaker version:

"I don't like Koba"

isn't my fault - your case is a laundry basket of nonsense.

In post 373, Varsoon wrote:3. Sayiing that I don't believe a player is scum, which is another lie--only I know what I believe, Pooky. You don't have to take my word for it, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't literally lie to people about it, because;

I'm tested your "belief" by asking you to ante up your own life after I flip town - you failed that test miserably.

Already told you, I'm town.
You should know
I don't lie when I alignment claim.

P-EDIT:
Did you even read my case?
Cool that you're continuing to just characterize it by saying things like 'nonsense' or 'asshole' and not actually addressing any points at all or explaining how or why.
You know.
It's easy to lie, Pooky.
It's also easy to see when someone is lying.

In post 373, Varsoon wrote:This all strikes me as you trying to manipulate me and other players with lies in order to make your slot look more town.

Why would I even need to manipulate you or anyone else.

Nobody here thinks your case holds any water whatsoever - I could just ignore you and you could keep posting your nonsense and nothing would happen.

The only reason I'm even engaging with you is because I don't want you to hide your blatant scumminess inside a death tunnel on me.

In post 378, Varsoon wrote:Already told you, I'm town.
You should know
I don't lie when I alignment claim.

know what? I've never played with you before in my life, do you have some kind of rep for never lying about your alignment or something? give me a history of this and i'll examine it.

This whole thing is reminding me way too much of Radiant Cowbells re: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77564

Fuck that situation 1000%
Nope.
VOTE: Raya

P-EDIT:
@Pooky: The first ban I ever got on-site was for not lying about my alignment over multiple games, something I was told was 'The Pooky Tell'.
I was trying to signal to you that I'm town, hoping you'd get that.
Obviously, I'm not doing that bannable thing now, since I've got literally no games played in over a year and haven't set up a trend of 100% claiming alignment factually.
But since you are bringing it up, that's what that was.
So that renders it useless as a strategy to subtly 100% confirm to you.
Oh well.

Understand this, Pooky.
If we're both town here;
We have fundamentally different approaches to this game.

In post 381, Varsoon wrote:@Pooky: The first ban I ever got on-site was for not lying about my alignment over multiple games, something I was told was 'The Pooky Tell'.

I didn't even know that "The Pooky Tell" existed

In post 382, Varsoon wrote:Understand this, Pooky.
If we're both town here;
We have fundamentally different approaches to this game.

if we're both town here, we definitely gonna win this game

I was told it was something a user named 'Pooky' once did.
When I got banned for it, they literally retroactively made it a bannable offense and called it a 'Trust Tell'.

I've decided that
In order for me to grow and develop as a human being
I have to trust that you're town here and we've just got really different approaches to the game and I shouldn't scumread your approach.

Idk how deep I am tunneling here but I am really just reading Varsoons post as theater. Feels like an over reaction to the situation.

I am going to take a step back just to be sure, because it feels so wrong but also wouldn't surprise me. From the trust tell, to this, all while not actually being nominated just feels like an over reaction so he can fake emotion in order to get cleared for the end game due to the nature of this setup.

Blehh I really need to read this over a few times, and I want a 2nd opinion on this.

In post 385, Varsoon wrote:I was told it was something a user named 'Pooky' once did.

That's wild I guess I can't use that anymore huh

In post 387, Yukino wrote:Idk how deep I am tunneling here but I am really just reading Varsoons post as theater. Feels like an over reaction to the situation.

I am going to take a step back just to be sure, because it feels so wrong but also wouldn't surprise me. From the trust tell, to this, all while not actually being nominated just feels like an over reaction so he can fake emotion in order to get cleared for the end game due to the nature of this setup.

I've only had two bans that seriously affected me.
When I got my first ban over the 'Pooky Tell' or Trust Tells.
And when I got banned over my play in that one game with RC.
Who, hilariously, went on to be made Paragon in 2018 despite how toxic he was in that game, only to get banned for toxicity later in 2019.
But ayyyy I gotta learn and grow.
If you can't trust this, well.
It is what it is.
If you think this is faked emotion, I highly suggest you read my ISO in that Upicketypick game I linked.
It's disturbingly similar to this situation here.
I death-tunneled town because they responded to me with hostility that I read as alignment-motivated because town wouldn't respond to me like that, I thought.

We even had a "When I flip town, accept your lynch D2" exchange.

is RC Rosso Carne ?

In post 362, Raya36 wrote:No but I'd like committed reads. Nothing at all was committed and that reads as either scum who is having trouble making scum cases on players they know are town, scum trying to keep options open while looking busy, or town not using their ability to pressure to it's full potential.

VOTE: raya
i have expressed a stance on almost everyone in the game-- this is blatant misinformation

In post 358, Yukino wrote:Lynching Raya is by far the worst thing you guys can do in this situation.

sorry ; )
varsoon and dunn decent partner equity tho.

In post 392, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:is RC Rosso Carne ?

Radiant Cowbells

yea that guy is toxic af

Aw shit, dawg
Hey, Elbirn
Are you town?