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Nosferatu(4)

~ Frogsterking(11), WaltertheDunce10(43), ItalianoVD(30), callforjudgement(34)

callforjudgement(2)

~ RCEnigma(38), Nosferatu(38)

WaltertheDunce10(2)

~ Not_Mafia(10), Raya36(19)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ geraintm(19)

geraintm(1)

~ SJReaver(47)

Frogsterking(1)

~ BananaCucho(39)


Not Voting (2): Gamma Emerald(31), sordros(6)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

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Have you explained why it’s CFJ?

Not yet no.

VC has inaccurate votes on Raya.

VOTE: CallforJudgement

Will you be doing so anytime soon or will you wait to see how the wagon develops?

Okay so what’s happening with 334 What’s a spoiler chat?

Aight I think Frog is scum and it looks like the interaction between him and Nosferatu is scum theatre. Frog’s reason is weak and forced. Nosferatu’s reaction to that weak forced case also seems weak and forced. That’s why my vote is there and will probably stay there. You voting for yourself is never a good idea imo.

I’m feeling a little off about callforjudgment. Very townie. Very beautiful and perfect posts. The best posts in the history of our country. You’ve never seen posts like these before. So beautiful.


Walter
SJReaver
Banana
RCEnigma
Raya
Not_Mafia


Frogsterking
Nosferatu
callforjudgment


sordros
Gamma
geraintm

I have to look back over Gamma and geraintm to get a better read. Still no idea what Sordros is doing here.

Spoiler chat = the dead/spectator thread that games have so those who aren’t playing anymore, plus those who just want to watch, can discuss the game, there’s variable practice on how much information the mod will give in them (sometimes there’s 2 for spoiled and unspoiled discussion) but generally you’ll at least get some drips of info from the mod or those with extra knowledge (scum most of the time) talking about the game events in there

Is cfj seriously being wagoned for being “too towny”?

Sorry guys, been really busy with work today, got a particularly nasty bug that I'm working on rn

I'll be doing some catchup here soon

In post 384, Gamma Emerald wrote:Is cfj seriously being wagoned for being “too towny”?

No.

In post 383, Gamma Emerald wrote:Spoiler chat = the dead/spectator thread that games have so those who aren’t playing anymore, plus those who just want to watch, can discuss the game, there’s variable practice on how much information the mod will give in them (sometimes there’s 2 for spoiled and unspoiled discussion) but generally you’ll at least get some drips of info from the mod or those with extra knowledge (scum most of the time) talking about the game events in there

Oh okay. Appreciate that.

K, Nos I was referring to what that meant in emerald's post about what normal text meant.
Thanks for answering Gamma.

i know that

In post 334, Nosferatu wrote:

callforjudgement wrote:

In post 308, SJReaver wrote:callforjudgement continues their focus on optimal play. I suspect their desire to lecture people over how they ought to play is a NAI personality trait.

I do it to make it possible to distinguish between players who play in an anti-town way out of ignorance and players who play in an anti-town way out of choice. It isn't intended to read me, so much as to read other players.

On that note, VOTE: Nosferatu. I was hoping to sort Nosferatu by seeing where their vote moved after I pointed out that it wasn't doing anything useful, but Nosferatu seems happy to be intentionally hard to read and to make it hard for it to scumhunt other players, even after I explained the consequences of those actions.

I think Frogster's initial case on Nosferatu is weak (but seems to be sincere), but Nosferatu's reaction to it has been pretty telling in its own right.

im so over this bullshit read my town pm and weep

VOTE: nosferatu

if ur on this wagon you suck at this game

I can't work out if this is genuine frustration or an pro town fake or a scum fake.
like, if any game you are in is causing you this must anger then just leave, it isn't good for your mental health.

In post 341, Gamma Emerald wrote: I find it very unfair to expect everyone who plays Normals to be 100% up to speed on what is and isn’t allowed in them. I had a game where I thought I knew my stuff but I made a fatal error that lost the game for town. No one’s perfect.

oh, i'm this guy. I constantly have to check every claim made in a game because I don't know what it is. sometimes I don't ask because I feel stupid. like.....scum has multitasking. I take it that means they can do more than one thing each night, but I just assumed they could do that already so why is mod spelling it out?

In post 344, Nosferatu wrote: that is what im saying, im not hinting at a pr tho i think its optimal play as town unless you have a negative utility role which i don't

hmmm, I just came out of a game where scum had to claim on day 1 to get out of pressure and give themselves a few more days before their lynch. this feels...similar?

In post 353, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:

In post 318, geraintm wrote:you might want more....but I am notgoing to fake a bunch of reads just to please you.

I kinda like this statement by gerain because it does not show a willingness to appease and shows he wants to put some thought into it.Though he could just be stalling but Idk

well, im glad you like it. I am not deliberately stalling so much as I know day 1 I will find it very, very hard to get any strong reads on anyone.

In post 355, Not_Mafia wrote:
I'm town

hey you said that our last game and you were town then too! you really do make this game easy

In post 361, Nosferatu wrote: no neutral means 3p

?

In post 364, RCEnigma wrote:

In post 326, geraintm wrote:

In post 323, RCEnigma wrote:But I only know one person that has voted scum for sure.

?

I see not mafia is being their normal day 1 self too

It's Raya, literally the only person to vote scum for sure this game.

VOTE: CFJ

I still don't get this. raya has voted for not mafia, callforjudgement and walter. are you saying you are 100% sure scum is within those 3? as you follow with a vote for callforjudgement, I assume this is what you meant.

In post 368, Nosferatu wrote:you know what i dont think someone with an avatar such as urself would engage in this kind of pro-town behavior

VOTE: cfg

my god you are making it easy for a wagon to form on you

@ reaver - your vote for CFJ …. I don't like it. you seem happy to jump on wagons

@ italiano - I can understand your reads. by far the most memorable thing in this game to me is nosferatu and when reading through a night's worth of posts they are the one that keeps sticking out. i confess that i can't see scum doing it though, raising their head above the parapet so early in the game when they could have kep a lower profile. but i don't know why town would do it either??

note that Sordos is MIA, they need to a) return b) post better when they do

other thoughts on low posting players
:

Frog - their post history seems entirely aimed at nosferatu, no one else.
not mafia - yep they are going to do nothing day 1 again. like, i have previous at saying i dislike day 1s, but i have reasons. i wish they were just more involved

In post 391, geraintm wrote:

In post 341, Gamma Emerald wrote: I find it very unfair to expect everyone who plays Normals to be 100% up to speed on what is and isn’t allowed in them. I had a game where I thought I knew my stuff but I made a fatal error that lost the game for town. No one’s perfect.

oh, i'm this guy. I constantly have to check every claim made in a game because I don't know what it is. sometimes I don't ask because I feel stupid. like.....scum has multitasking. I take it that means they can do more than one thing each night, but I just assumed they could do that already so why is mod spelling it out?

Multitasking (and daytalk) are weird mechanics where they’re super common but Normals like to tool around with whether they’re tied to roles or not
The public announcement is essentially saying that despite them not having Multitasking in their role names, they have the ability it grants. That impacts how trackers and role cops handle results I think

In post 344, Nosferatu wrote:

In post 342, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 339, callforjudgement wrote:

In post 334, Nosferatu wrote:it is anti-town wincon to bleed town d1 and you know it cfg

I can parse this sentence fragment about three different ways, none of which make any sense. Are you saying that you're acting scummy because you think looking town is anti-town? That you think I'm town, but playing badly because I'm trying too hard to be townread? That you think I'm scum because I look town? (Why do you even think that I look town?)

Which Idk if I really like that, feels like he’s trying to hint PR in a slick way
I’m open to talking about this if Nosf cares to though.

that is what im saying, im not hinting at a pr tho i think its optimal play as town unless you have a negative utility role which i don't

Missed this before
Why is being obvtown early bad for you?

In post 392, geraintm wrote:I still don't get this. raya has voted for not mafia, callforjudgement and walter. are you saying you are 100% sure scum is within those 3? as you follow with a vote for callforjudgement, I assume this is what you meant.

Nope, Walter could be scum sure. NM town. 1 scum within cfj.

@RCenigma - you have call for judgement as scum, but you have just killed Gamma??

Cfj is the easier to elim, so yes.