Mafiascum.net

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:42 pm**

if the hurt faction actually gets somebody to the "about to get executed" stage I will share my thoughts about that person but not before then.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:06 pm**

and you won't share any thoughts about players you want to spare. so you're going to do nothing this game day? is that fun?

Taylor: be the change you want to see in the world. prompting AI content by digging at other players is one way of hunting.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:08 pm**

if I wasn't having fun I wouldn't be here

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:12 pm**

In post 374, catboi wrote:
In post 371, Prism wrote:catboi's reads and general approach haven't really been angling for anything here, and he's really taking his time and letting things play out.

I hate that he's likely to be town, just not really the approach he should take for this game as scum imo. Only thing I didn't like was the early Hectic "deliberate" accusation, and that's really plausible for towncat too
Er, what's the approach I "should" take?

It depends a bit on who your partners would be but my instinct is that continuing to play things in the backseat/letting people develop without too many nudges from you will lead to a loss, the only one that's probably best to steer clear of would be my push on Hectic. If me/Chara are both town, letting us continue to be the strongest voices would be a disaster waiting to happen. I think a good counterpoint, briefly stated, would be that I don't actually have scum meta on you. It's very strange to know you extremely well in some ways and have complete gaps in others.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:17 pm**

if we don't catch likely scum by the end of this day, i nominate myself to perform some emergency surgery on the teddy.
i do not have a medical license.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:21 pm**

Prism, if you care for it, Your Nightmare just concluded. Hectic won this as scum. i caught him day 1 but wasn't confident enough to get him eliminated and then got killed.
it'll certainly effect my own approach this game, and as it's fairly short i thought i'd mention it to you.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:26 pm**

i'm really sorry i haven't been playing very actively yet

I'll dedicate time to reading n probably just posting general thoughts on monday or maybe late tonight if i feel like doing that rather than sleeping

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:31 pm**

Sorry for the multipost, didn't want to make quoting a hassle for others.

In post 315, Hectic wrote:
In post 266, redtea wrote:I gotta say it is a bad take on Hectic's part. The spreadsheets show that he wasn't baselessly echoing Prism for cred but legitimately corroborating.
Both catboi and prism are well tr'd at this point though so I suppose it doesn't really matter

I was criticizing your catboi read, not your Prism one.
Point is, I don't think your reason for invalidating catboi's cred is well thought out. I think the way he corroborated put them on equal ground.

In post 306, catboi wrote:
In post 289, Prism wrote:Nifty hat. Well, don't mind me, just going to be opportunist scum parking on you knowing you won't really respond for three days.
Meh, the mopiness is
annoying
but I don't know that it's
scummy
and now that I take off the rage-goggles, even though we disagree on our approaches he seems to be making attempts to legitimately evaluate people

catboi, I'm not seeing these "attempts to legitimately evaluate people" anywhere before you made this post. Could you point me to some examples?

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:31 pm**

Spoiler: @Chara

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:31 pm**

Spoiler: @Tanner

In post 347, Tanner wrote:
In post 306, catboi wrote:
In post 294, Tanner wrote:i didn't think i'd ever have the urge to vig 1/3rd of the players in a given game, but it's actually happened.
Well, 25% of the players in the game right now are scum, but it's probably not all the non-contributors. It's never that easy...usually.
what if... the scumteam was... exactly taylor/lavender/pooky .. aha ha, just kidding.. unless.. ?

i feel like i'm going back and forth on hectic. i really liked 302 (as it's almost the exact same thought i had upon seeing it) and the fact he's pressuring pooky, but then one person that seems to have experience with him says he's suspicious, then the other person that has experience with him says that's the hectic they wanted to see and sigh. wish
i
knew how to read hectic.

@hectic, do you have a read on me yet?

i hate that at this point i want to townread people (e.g. chara and prism with pooky on this page) just for telling people to
play the damn game
.

This is interesting Tanner. You

like

that Hectic was "pressuring" Pooky? That was something I wanted to touch on.
The way I saw it was definitely an indirect "well what about _". Ofc he didn't do so directly because, in most cases, that would be childish, but...

After being pushed to Do Something, he

immediately

went for a push on Pooky (me at first. Claims it has to do with a harder read on him, but it could easily be he felt Pooky to be more vulnerable/be less confrontational fighting back, more manipulatable, etc). Considering that there was already content that he could've interacted with, deciding to only push another lurker was just lazy. He could have done both, you know, talked to a few people and also went "if you guys are gonna drag me into the open let's get Pooky out here too." I feel his approach did three things:
1) established a hierarchy of lurking (Hectic lurks less than Pooky)
2) passed the responsibility of "generating content" off to Pooky
3) let him coast by relying on Pooky (i.e. "I have nothing to say because Pooky isn't giving worthwile responses")

Reading the thread, Prism says this pretty succinctly here #320 and here #341. Consider this my supporting post.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:37 pm**

In post 380, Chara wrote:Prism, if you care for it, Your Nightmare just concluded. Hectic won this as scum. i caught him day 1 but wasn't confident enough to get him eliminated and then got killed.
it'll certainly effect my own approach this game, and as it's fairly short i thought i'd mention it to you.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:39 pm**

In post 382, redtea wrote:I was criticizing your catboi read, not your Prism one.
Point is, I don't think your reason for invalidating catboi's cred is well thought out. I think the way he corroborated put them on equal ground.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:39 pm**

hectic is very good as scum

but if we go the spare route it will not matter

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:39 pm**

I think I forgot to finish a thought

3) let him coast by relying on Pooky (i.e. "I have nothing to say because Pooky isn't giving worthwile responses")

*would allow him to coast. He has done a bit of talking since then, but also

did

make this post here #323.
Anyway, this one was meant more to be "he could take advantage" than "he has".

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:40 pm**

In post 387, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:hectic is very good as scum

but if we go the spare route it will not matter

what are you actually talking about

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:45 pm**

In post 386, Hectic wrote:
In post 382, redtea wrote: I was criticizing your catboi read, not your Prism one.
Point is, I don't think your reason for invalidating catboi's cred is well thought out. I think the way he corroborated put them on equal ground.

let me quote it again.

In post 190, Hectic wrote: anyway, Prism town because he did the math and was accurate before catboi revealed his spreadsheets
he made the effort but showed no working or proof to try and make it look impressive or get any towncred from it

this is very clearly paints Prism's actions in a different light than catboi's.
You can simultaneously tr someone and not give them town credit for something other people have

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:46 pm**

In post 389, redtea wrote:
In post 387, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:hectic is very good as scum

but if we go the spare route it will not matter
what are you actually talking about

we are masons together

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:49 pm**

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:56 pm**

In post 391, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 389, redtea wrote:
In post 387, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:hectic is very good as scum

but if we go the spare route it will not matter
what are you actually talking about
we are masons together

Also, I hate that my first instinct is to unvote you after seeing this. You are strong at pocketing me...

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:59 pm**

because we are of one soul

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:00 pm**

i mean you can lynch me but i will still be your mason friend

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:01 pm**

In post 383, redtea wrote:Just a question, was the concern more about catboi's regard among the town or about MT's behavior?

my concern was MT's behaviour, but not in a "this looks scummy" way. rather, a "i'm concerned if you're town and locktowning someone for this" sort of way. that's why i ended the post by saying i wasn't interested in getting into a logical argument.

pedit: i nearly voted Pooky in this post, so i'm surprised that comment makes you want to unvote.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:04 pm**

In post 396, Chara wrote:
In post 383, redtea wrote:Just a question, was the concern more about catboi's regard among the town or about MT's behavior?
my concern was MT's behaviour, but not in a "this looks scummy" way. rather, a "i'm concerned if you're town and locktowning someone for this" sort of way. that's why i ended the post by saying i wasn't interested in getting into a logical argument.

pedit: i nearly voted Pooky in this post, so i'm surprised that comment makes you want to unvote.

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:39 pm**

i think you just jumped into his pocket bro

Posted: **Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:44 pm**

In post 378, Prism wrote:
In post 374, catboi wrote:
In post 371, Prism wrote:catboi's reads and general approach haven't really been angling for anything here, and he's really taking his time and letting things play out.

I hate that he's likely to be town, just not really the approach he should take for this game as scum imo. Only thing I didn't like was the early Hectic "deliberate" accusation, and that's really plausible for towncat too
Er, what's the approach I "should" take?
It depends a bit on who your partners would be but my instinct is that continuing to play things in the backseat/letting people develop without too many nudges from you will lead to a loss, the only one that's probably best to steer clear of would be my push on Hectic. If me/Chara are both town, letting us continue to be the strongest voices would be a disaster waiting to happen. I think a good counterpoint, briefly stated, would be that I don't actually have scum meta on you. It's very strange to know you extremely well in some ways and have complete gaps in others.

I thought you were calling me out for slacking on this game and I liked that but the more I read this the more I got weirded out and confused. Like, the idea I couldn't be lazy and unmotivated as mafia is...puzzling. This read on me doesn't make a lot of sense. (*´ω｀*)

In post 382, redtea wrote:catboi, I'm not seeing these "attempts to legitimately evaluate people" anywhere before you made this post. Could you point me to some examples?

190 shows him making some kind of reads. the logic on prism is fairly iffy, though. 302 is a read of some kind. 311 pressuring pooky is reasonable? like I had been thinking similarly, he just said it before me. 316 as the explanation for the vote-flip makes sense? little moment of indecisiveness that is maybe townie. Yeah, I kind of crapped out that read, it's not as strong as I thought but it at least shows an attempt?

Now that I can give the game my attention, gonna stay up trying to eval until I end up falling asleep, let's see how it goes~

Mafiascum.net

Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly