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Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:10 pm**

In post 370, shellyc wrote:VOTE: Pickaxe Pete

I hate the opening. Shading me opportunistically is super scummy. I don’t care if you call this OMGUS because I think shading me isn’t pro town at all at this point

I don’t think my listing of reads is fake and pointless. They are initial impressions and I’m still gutreading people atm

I call OMGUS.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:15 pm**

In post 369, pob long wrote:if Petes your name too.

They call me Pickaxe, but that's not what my birth certificate says.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:20 pm**

In post 370, shellyc wrote:VOTE: Pickaxe Pete

I hate the opening. Shading me opportunistically is super scummy. I don’t care if you call this OMGUS because I think shading me isn’t pro town at all at this point

I don’t think my listing of reads is fake and pointless. They are initial impressions and I’m still gutreading people atm

Why you are still developing initial impressions after 15 pages? Could it be because you're making them up as you go along?

I had an initial impression (note the past tense). It was that you were scummy.

I have a current impression (note the present tense). It is that you are scum.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:07 pm**

In post 372, shellyc wrote:
In post 317, Fidget wrote:
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.
Fidget and Titus crossvote feels town vs town since I feel like fidget react is town

and why is titus town?

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:11 pm**

In post 374, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
In post 368, pob long wrote:
In post 360, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
In post 318, pob long wrote:
In post 312, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 94, shellyc wrote:
In post 88, Princess Leia wrote:Why are you pointing me to your signature? Is there a town or scum game you want me to examine there to compare to this game?
To prove that I have played games on this account, and therefore have not created this specifically for this game
PL very aggressive towards shellyc here, it looks like
Day 1
bus'ing.
could be
pob long, if that is your real name, I think you're probably town even if you're a HTV.
what is that
Because you posted your driver's license photo I'm assuming you were recently reinstated. My first guess was you were a habitual traffic violator, but that might be unfair. Could just be a DWS.

.....What in the..... this game keeps on getting weirder. im afraid to ask whats a DWS

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:11 pm**

In post 377, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
In post 370, shellyc wrote:VOTE: Pickaxe Pete

I hate the opening. Shading me opportunistically is super scummy. I don’t care if you call this OMGUS because I think shading me isn’t pro town at all at this point

I don’t think my listing of reads is fake and pointless. They are initial impressions and I’m still gutreading people atm
Why you are still developing initial impressions after 15 pages? Could it be because you're making them up as you go along?

I had an initial impression (note the past tense). It was that you were scummy.

I have a current impression (note the present tense). It is that you are scum.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:18 pm**

In post 379, pob long wrote:
In post 374, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
In post 368, pob long wrote:
In post 360, Pickaxe Pete wrote:
In post 318, pob long wrote:
In post 312, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 94, shellyc wrote:
In post 88, Princess Leia wrote:Why are you pointing me to your signature? Is there a town or scum game you want me to examine there to compare to this game?
To prove that I have played games on this account, and therefore have not created this specifically for this game
PL very aggressive towards shellyc here, it looks like
Day 1
bus'ing.
could be
pob long, if that is your real name, I think you're probably town even if you're a HTV.
what is that
Because you posted your driver's license photo I'm assuming you were recently reinstated. My first guess was you were a habitual traffic violator, but that might be unfair. Could just be a DWS.
.....What in the..... this game keeps on getting weirder. im afraid to ask whats a DWS

driving while stripping. cops hate sex workers.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:23 pm**

In post 326, Tayl0r Swift wrote:yeah, iunno titus. i dont see fidget as scum here. and i think you're reaching. i dont know that you get to scumread people for sheeping you. especially since the reaction test was so obvious that it seemed like it wasnt a reaction test - it almost seemed like you wanted it to be obvious or something. im far more inclined to agree with vecna's take here. VOTE: titus

Very true but does that make Titus scum?

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:26 pm**

In post 315, Titus wrote:
By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all.
I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely.
Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget

Bolded part does seem like complete BS.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:28 pm**

In post 323, Fidget wrote:
In post 320, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 317, Fidget wrote:
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.
so does that mean you think titus is town because as town titus always falsely suspects you?
I've never played with Titus where she was scum, I don't think. You do make a good point that she's following the pattern I guess.

It mostly means I'm getting irritated for no reason though.

I know I said you're town earlier, but this stinks of bus'ing.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:34 pm**

In post 334, Marashu wrote:That said, when I saw it, it was meant to gauge the towniness/scuminess of the person being targeted, so it strikes me as weird to do this to someone who is V/LA, or at least not waiting that it was fabricated until the person got back to see if she got nervous.

An actual good point being made.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:34 pm**

In post 373, shellyc wrote:Fidget where did you learn that I crushed town in Newbie 2019?

Someone mentioned it in a game I was reading and then i looked over the game a bit for myself. Don't really remember where

In post 384, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 323, Fidget wrote:I've never played with Titus where she was scum, I don't think. You do make a good point that she's following the pattern I guess.

It mostly means I'm getting irritated for no reason though.
I know I said you're town earlier, but this stinks of bus'ing.

wat

Do you mean distancing? Which part?

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:54 pm**

In post 385, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 334, Marashu wrote:That said, when I saw it, it was meant to gauge the towniness/scuminess of the person being targeted, so it strikes me as weird to do this to someone who is V/LA, or at least not waiting that it was fabricated until the person got back to see if she got nervous.
An actual good point being made.

Well it was conveniently never about shelly herself, it was made to test ME the whole time.

In post 315, Titus wrote:Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

She had a sneaking suspicion the whole time that I was scum sheeping wagons, apparently. Why she tacks "scum" onto there, I have no idea. Shelly seems to be unimportant

So she """fakes""" a scumslip, I vote her cause it's weird and obvious and performative and BAM that's exactly what scum Fidget has been doing all along. Sheeping wagons. But not ShellyC's wagon. Because I'm partners with and/or whiteknighting shelly. Not even 100% on the idea that I'm defending shelly as a partner, I just feel like defending shelly (((as scum))) for some reason

So overall Titus has made a grand show of how she used her very deceptive and subtle tactics to catch the terrified Fidget red-handed (Does not apply to Vecna because he is Vecna). It's incredibly hard for me to believe this was a test she actually thought would work.

I'm also biased against her thinking I'm "sheeping scum" but let me review what I had done before this point to see if it's plausible Titus ACTUALLY had the thought of "Hm Fidget sheeps easy wagons lets fake a scumslip and see if she votes

shelly

me." (WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE IF SHEEPING SCUM HOPPED ON THE PERSON WHO DID THE FAKE SCUMSLIP RATHER THAN THE PERSON CALLING OUT THE FAKE SCUMSLIP?)

I had voted Titus in RVS, BM in response to asking to be voted, then tayl0r, and then voted Titus. I guess I kind of got around? I don't really know how Titus' VCA works. Tayl0r and Titus were both wagons, so she has it correct that I was "sheeping" wagons. Sure. I don't know what makes me special but by god am I consistently special to Titus' VCA in my games

I have a tendency to join wagons rather than create them, so maybe that is what the alarm for her. Hilariously enough though I do create wagons way more as scum. Not in my scum game with Titus though.

I can entertain the idea that Titus thought me always joining wagons (with a sample size of "sort of but not really BM, that wasn't a wagon" + tayl0r's wagon) was scum indictative, so when I

joined a wagon oh dear god

onto Titus, that validated her scumlean into a god damn lockscum

But I find it crazy

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:59 pm**

In post 387, Fidget wrote:
In post 385, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 334, Marashu wrote:That said, when I saw it, it was meant to gauge the towniness/scuminess of the person being targeted, so it strikes me as weird to do this to someone who is V/LA, or at least not waiting that it was fabricated until the person got back to see if she got nervous.
An actual good point being made.
Well it was conveniently never about shelly herself, it was made to test ME the whole time.

She had a sneaking suspicion the whole time that I was scum sheeping wagons, apparently. Why she tacks "scum" onto there, I have no idea. Shelly seems to be unimportant

.

So overall Titus has made a grand show of how she used her very deceptive and subtle tactics to catch the terrified Fidget red-handed (Does not apply to Vecna because he is Vecna). It's incredibly hard for me to believe this was a test she actually thought would work.

Here's the actual point I was trying to make, sorry abt that.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:06 pm**

I think the idea of pretending to point out scumslips is probably a viable tactic and I don't want to fault Titus for doing that.

I guess it's just the combination of

A.) It felt really obvious to me it was fake,
B.) She wasn't testing the 'scumslipped', she was testing to see if another specific player would hop on the whole time

apparently

,
C.) I didn't hop on, which I would presume is the result she was looking for me to do, but she still decided I was lockscum for voting her (??),
and D.) I'm on the receiving end so I am acting like a baby about it.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:14 pm**

In post 389, Fidget wrote:I think the idea of pretending to point out scumslips is probably a viable tactic and I don't want to fault Titus for doing that.

I guess it's just the combination of

A.) It felt really obvious to me it was fake,
B.) She wasn't testing the 'scumslipped', she was testing to see if another specific player would hop on the whole time
apparently
,
C.) I didn't hop on, which I would presume is the result she was looking for me to do, but she still decided I was lockscum for voting her (??),
and D.) I'm on the receiving end so I am acting like a baby about it.

i dont see you being a baby. i dont see what titus claims to have seen. and i agree that this probably comes from scum!titus. and im not sure why so many people are either agreeing and not voting or not commenting on this at all.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:39 pm**

In post 333, Marashu wrote:Could someone please explain to me what people are expecting from DGB and why? I feel like there's a BoP here but from what I've seen I don't know why.

DGB has extreme difficulty producing content as scum. So if she's making content early, she should be treated as town. It's a bit of BoP and sucks if DGB gets sudden RL concerns but it's a meta difference even I can't deny.

In post 338, RedPanda wrote:
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget

have your reaction tests ever gotten you results??

You literally just quoted the post with the results I got.

In post 346, Battle Mage wrote:you mean the saw game where I single-handedly fked the entire game up for town? yeah, i think that answers your question.

On a more serious note, I generally reap better rewards when I lay low for the first half of day 1. I haven't done it often, but when I have, my reads have tended to be really good - Saw Day 1 was actually an example of that, although better examples in games since. Good question though.

I like the humility here and it explains some reservations I had about you. I am used to the Battle Mage that goes all out as town (barring that one game you had a post restriction).

In post 352, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 348, Pickaxe Pete wrote:I've seen enough to do this for now.

VOTE: shellyc
you've seen people want you gone

you've seen shelly is the counterwagon with most momentum

you are joining

regardless of shelly's alignment, i'd say this is not a good look for you hombre

The shelley wagon is literally dying and was never going to be a thing. The wagon on me is the more viable counterwagon. Your premise is just wrong here.

In post 317, Fidget wrote:
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.

I hate this woe is me. You are acting like this is a personal vendetta when I have no idea who you are. You're clearly some sort of alt that I have no knowledge of your main. So if my methods always ping you then it's either a) you're scum or b) you play like it. You spend this rant as if you're speaking to town me too.

Through page 15. Not touching the Pickaxe Pete wagon based on who got on. Reevaluating the wagon conclusion based on the motions of new wagons.

I think Battle Mage is getting sheeped by scum for his invalid premise and a reaction by Pickaxe that is easy to jump on.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:44 pm**

so titus how many scum do you think are on the pickaxe wagon and who are they?

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:51 pm**

In post 383, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 315, Titus wrote:
By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all.
I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely.
Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget
Bolded part does seem like complete BS.

This post is a mystery for someone who knows me very well.

In post 384, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 323, Fidget wrote:
In post 320, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
In post 317, Fidget wrote:
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.
so does that mean you think titus is town because as town titus always falsely suspects you?
I've never played with Titus where she was scum, I don't think. You do make a good point that she's following the pattern I guess.

It mostly means I'm getting irritated for no reason though.
I know I said you're town earlier, but this stinks of bus'ing.

Fidget's whole response to me is weird regardless of his alignment.

In post 385, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 334, Marashu wrote:That said, when I saw it, it was meant to gauge the towniness/scuminess of the person being targeted, so it strikes me as weird to do this to someone who is V/LA, or at least not waiting that it was fabricated until the person got back to see if she got nervous.
An actual good point being made.

If the point was to get a reaction from shelly, then I would agree wholeheartedly. The goal was to get a reaction to see how easy it was to get a counterwagon to Taylor and what the less active slots would do voting wise.

Tldr reply to Fidget. I don't expect you to agree on a scumread of your slot ever. That's not the point. NAI you will argue it is wrong. So unless people actually care, I am not responding to 90% of that wall.

I will respond to the Vecna is Vecna comment. Vecna and I have a frequent history of suspecting each other day 1. His vote doesn't matter much to me because I expect it as either alignment. As town, he gets paranoid of me. As scum, he has to fake it. I'm going to read Vecna based on how he engages with others when he gets invested.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:54 pm**

In post 391, Titus wrote:
In post 317, Fidget wrote:
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.
I hate this woe is me. You are acting like this is a personal vendetta when I have no idea who you are. You're clearly some sort of alt that I have no knowledge of your main. So if my methods always ping you then it's either a) you're scum or b) you play like it. You spend this rant as if you're speaking to town me too.

Through page 15. Not touching the Pickaxe Pete wagon based on who got on. Reevaluating the wagon conclusion based on the motions of new wagons.

I think Battle Mage is getting sheeped by scum for his invalid premise and a reaction by Pickaxe that is easy to jump on.

I'm sorry I didn't mean for it to come off like accusing you of having a personal vendetta.

What I mean is that your method has a 0% success rate on me. Which is an option you left out, so I suppose that is option c).

I'm torn because the craziness of your test and its ensuing result doesn't match up with your confidence level. I feel you could have thought it was a good test as town, I guess. It's not the first time. I would say I'm past it but I just spent a lot of time getting annoyed about it so maybe it's a little soon to say that

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:54 pm**

In post 392, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so titus how many scum do you think are on the pickaxe wagon and who are they?

I need a VC to answer this specifically.

However, I am drawing this conclusion because 1) the premise that started the wagon is wrong and obviously so 2) my wagon minus Vecna jumped onto the Pickaxe wagon, 3) the wagon movement makes me rethink my earlier wagon momentum thoughts

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:57 pm**

In post 394, Fidget wrote:
In post 391, Titus wrote:
In post 317, Fidget wrote:
In post 315, Titus wrote:By the way, Fidget is lockscum. Taylor is town.

There was no "scumslip" at all. I was testing the fluidity of the wagons entirely. Fidget was sheeping scum based on wagon momentum before but this seals it.

I have no read on shelley but I know Fidget is scared.

Vecna is well Vecna.

VOTE: Fidget
Why does your VCA always implicate me? It's astounding to me that you've suspected me in every game we've ever played together, except for the one I was scum in.
I hate this woe is me. You are acting like this is a personal vendetta when I have no idea who you are. You're clearly some sort of alt that I have no knowledge of your main. So if my methods always ping you then it's either a) you're scum or b) you play like it. You spend this rant as if you're speaking to town me too.

Through page 15. Not touching the Pickaxe Pete wagon based on who got on. Reevaluating the wagon conclusion based on the motions of new wagons.

I think Battle Mage is getting sheeped by scum for his invalid premise and a reaction by Pickaxe that is easy to jump on.
I'm sorry I didn't mean for it to come off like accusing you of having a personal vendetta.

What I mean is that your method has a 0% success rate on me. Which is an option you left out, so I suppose that is option c).

I'm torn because the craziness of your test and its ensuing result doesn't match up with your confidence level. I feel you could have thought it was a good test as town, I guess. It's not the first time. I would say I'm past it but I just spent a lot of time getting annoyed about it so maybe it's a little soon to say that

Well, if you were really familiar with me, you'd know that a) my VCA is just wagon momentum study until day 3 with a scum lynch. Lockscum means I would be willing to vote you for the rest of today.

My problem is you seem to act like we have extensive history but you don't know basic things about me, my VCA, or apparently my scum game.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:58 pm**

In post 393, Titus wrote:Tldr reply to Fidget. I don't expect you to agree on a scumread of your slot ever. That's not the point. NAI you will argue it is wrong. So unless people actually care, I am not responding to 90% of that wall.

I have a tendency to respond poorly to being scumread. Sometimes I can sympathize with the reasoning after taking a break though. In this case, I cannot. I don't get it even slightly. I don't get how the test worked, I don't see what I was doing before the test, and you certainly haven't explained it past calling me lockscum for being "sheeping scum".

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:58 pm**

VC please

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:00 pm**

In post 397, Fidget wrote:
In post 393, Titus wrote:Tldr reply to Fidget. I don't expect you to agree on a scumread of your slot ever. That's not the point. NAI you will argue it is wrong. So unless people actually care, I am not responding to 90% of that wall.
I have a tendency to respond poorly to being scumread. Sometimes I can sympathize with the reasoning after taking a break though. In this case, I cannot. I don't get it even slightly. I don't get how the test worked, I don't see what I was doing before the test, and you certainly haven't explained it past calling me lockscum for being "sheeping scum".

Well that's the thing about wagon analysis and VCA. It's not about context. It's merely about when the votes are placed. The only exceptions are things like guilties.

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