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In post 364, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Ahsoka sounds like they are bussing Infinity.

Also their "read" on Jesse is kind of a joke, pretty sure they knew Jesse was going to flip lover with Infinity so there's no point even coming up with a read.

this reeks of damage control so bad

E-1. I will die in glory bringing a scum as a sacrifice.

To make this even more dramatic, UNVOTE:

Morning Tweet, please put your vote back.

We'll see if pooky is good or not tomorrow

I'm okay with Jesse hammering it for narrative purposes.

Morning Tweet we know you're there
Come out and vote.

In post 312, Ahsoka wrote:

In post 301, Infinity 324 wrote:Can you rephrase some of that a bit?

I do know that it's much more difficult to read someone who goes "your vote on me is awful your read on me is awful you're either scum or really bad town". Town can do that too, so if flavor is scum he can hide behind that easily. I was trying to draw him in so we could interact more meaningfully.

This wasn't even my reasoning.

I specifically stated that it was the timing of the vote, and the momentum possibility it had when I was away mixed with you not even knowing the context of my posts thus far.

Why would you think scumMe can't interact meaningfully? I did this when you were Detective and I was scum.

Infinity, something's up with you this game

But we established that I did know the context of the posts, I just came to a different conclusion than you did. (I thought hopkirk was joking rather than discrediting you). Yeah my vote could've been opportunistic but that's very weak and you wouldn't be an easy muslim anyway.

I think scum!you can interact meaningfully but it's much more sortable and enjoyable than a tunnel.

MT didn't react quite how I was expecting to my last post to them though.

Let's see how much they like quickhammering.

In post 376, Ahsoka wrote:

In post 364, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Ahsoka sounds like they are bussing Infinity.

Also their "read" on Jesse is kind of a joke, pretty sure they knew Jesse was going to flip lover with Infinity so there's no point even coming up with a read.

this reeks of damage control so bad

lol just dont shoot me tonight buddy

lets fight tomm

Isn't that a hammer?

In post 319, Hopkirk wrote:i said the exact same thing was my main problem with FL when we were doing a quick toxic 1v1 earlier and i don't like that you're not bringing me mentioning it up while brining up Ali mentioning it

I swear I went back and looked for it but could only find ali mentioning it, sorry

Infinity is at E-2.

VOTECOUNT 1.7 — FINAL

[7] Infinity 324:

Albert B. Rampage, Hopkirk, PookyTheMagicalBear, Uncrowned, clidd, Jesse Pierce, Ahsoka —

HAMMER

[1] clidd:

Kanna

[1] Uncrowned:

Alisae

[1] Ahsoka:

Infinity 324

[2] Not Voting:

Nahdia, Morning Tweet

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-08 19:41:53).

Infinity 324 was eliminated. He was...

Spoiler:

Welcome,

Infinity 324

. You are a

Town Lover

.

Abilities:

• You are Lovers with

Jesse Pierce

. If one of you dies, the other will also die.
• You also share a PT. The link to your PT can be found here.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have died.

Game thread can be found here. Please confirm by replying to this PM with your role name and alignment.

Jesse Pierce has also died. He was...

Spoiler:

Welcome,

Jesse Pierce

. You are a

Town Lover

.

Abilities:

• You are Lovers with

Infinity 324

. If one of you dies, the other will also die.
• You also share a PT. The link to your PT can be found here.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have died.

Game thread can be found here. Please confirm by replying to this PM with your role name and alignment.

So anticlimactic.

In post 250, Ahsoka wrote:You made a potentially momentum swinging vote after I had disappeared after the end of my 1v1, and then didn't even understand who was discrediting, so it showed you didn't actually take the time to look at the posts, or you would know, the only people I had really interacted with was Hopkirk, and Alisae was around a little.

In post 258, Ahsoka wrote:And you don't even know the context of the 1v1 yet chose to push a stance.

In post 264, Ahsoka wrote:I don't care about your reasons. The timing of the vote and your lack of contextual knowledge was just poor and scummy.

In post 312, Ahsoka wrote:I specifically stated that it was the timing of the vote, and the momentum possibility it had when I was away mixed with you not even knowing the context of my posts thus far.

In post 314, Ahsoka wrote:You pushed me like you wanted me to be scum, but you didn't even have accurate representation of the game that was being played.

In post 322, Ahsoka wrote:It's not the fact he has a scum read on me, it's his basis and reasoning is just not there, and he was pushing it, but he didn't even have context about any of my posts, because he didn't even know about my posts towards you, hopkirk, and that was essentially all of my posts at the time.

He was actively making a case on me with reasoning based on my posts, without knowing my posts.

Maybe repeating this enough times will get people to believe it (worked on me at least without reading backwards, it sounded good)

In post 236, Infinity 324 wrote:Who was discrediting you?

Hopkirk?

Infinity demonstrates that he knows what you're talking about by asking about Hopkirk specifically. Did you actually believe your own argument here enough to repeat it at least six times and then lolhammer him?

Infinity explained that he took Hopkirk's posts as jokes, which you acknowledge here:

In post 263, Ahsoka wrote:

In post 259, Infinity 324 wrote:Honestly most of what hopkirk said read as joking to me.

doesn't mean it's not readable

You knew that Infinity knew what you were talking about, and yet you continued to push Infinity largely for "not knowing the context of your posts" as a reason. Why?

This comes up in most of your posts explaining why Infinity is scummy, and it pretty convincing. But I don't quite buy that you believed it -- it doesn't make sense, surely you realized that Infinity did not think of Hopkirk's posts as discredits (since, after all, other players can interpret posts differently), so what actually made you push for Infinity so strongly?

In post 320, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 308, Infinity 324 wrote:I thought it might work, though maybe I was a bit too hopeful. Like, scum!flavor might see an opportunity to try and pocket me or get me to TR him, and town!flavor might just want to have an honest engagement. I feel like I could possibly tell these apart later, and in any case, the game is much more enjoyable if one of these scenarios occurs.

If I did an analysis of town- and scum-motivation it would be something like:

Town: Flavor thinks hopkirk is scummy and wants to scare him/discourage hopkirk from pushing him. This could also get him good reactions.

Scum: Flavor wants to take control of the narrative and discourage people from pushing him. This could also get him a mislim if he can paint hopkirk's actions badly (assuming hopkirk is town).

I'm not really sure how to logically disentangle these two scenarios, at this point the only thing I have to go on is gut. So I followed my gut and tried to generate more info that I can use to tell them apart.

? this isn't the town motivation i was modelling

you've given your views on FL's side, how about evaluating the Hopkirk side of the toxic 1v1? i find it kind of odd how limited this has been in comparison

I agree with Hopkirk that the town!Flavour theory doesn't really make that much sense, and I can buy Hop thinking it odd Infinity only looked at Flavour

I think in general i buy Hopkirk's progression on Infinity from the early Ali read ping all the way to him feeling pretty confident Infinity flips scum. i get the feeling from Hoppy's surprise at getting an early confident SR, he's like me where that's very rare so i think he'd be less likely to try and fake that confidence as scum

I do like Ahsoka's damage control suspicions on Pooky (stemming from being biased on Infinity!scum) but i doubt that's out of his acting ability (´･ω･`)

I lean towards Pooky not being scum cause it feels like town Pooky always does something moderately suspicious day one (or at least i suspect him early for whatever reason, so like in Chara's Folly where he spent a ton of time advocating for the Spare route, or Death Curse where he got early heat for i dont remember what). Scum!Pooky also usually tries to grab hold of the game state somehow from my understanding so that didnt happen either. generally i think absentish pooky is +town

If i were scum this game I would post like Kanna. No one in the hood agrees with me but like

In post 282, Kanna wrote:so far, i'm agreeing with ali!probtown; i think fun!tells and good faith!tells are the way to go for ali and, maybe i'm a sucker for shameless pocketing. do you have any reads you want to share, ali?

also i'll get mocked, but my pure read this game might be jesse. he has lots of PURE potential; i shall report back once he becomes ranny

uncrowned isn't pocketing me back :c

In post 198, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 190, Hopkirk wrote:It's a good list. I really hope to see a toxic 1v1 between ABR and FL

Morning tweet, if scum, has already sworn in the scum QT multiple times about the amount of heavy angry ATE going to collectively come from any possible town this game.

that's a really good read

well tbh maybe around 3 players i think would be impossible for me to scumread cause theyd have emotional reaction, i think with like ABR/Ahsoka i maybe could manage just siding with one and paranoiaing other cause both are good at scum

Oh Pooky too would be a huge problem for me cause if we're both in endgame itll probably be really emotional and i prolly wouldn't have the energy to fake that

don't really understand this, what's the good read, morning?

In post 199, Alisae wrote:What is scum!Ali gonna do against a town!Kanna, town!Infinity, and towncrowned if they’re not all partners with me.

thankfully, we are all on the same team mafia team with our glorious moderator, right :>

i think i'm gonna sit on my scumreads for a bit, because everyone is scared of secret scumreads... also i wonder where is clidd

This reads as something i would think to write rather than actually come up with naturally. My attempt at explaining this would be like, it's hitting checkmarks while adding in faces and emotion to look carefree (Give townread -> explain it a bit -> ask for reads -> make joke against self -> do a pretend sad thing etc).

Absolutely no one got what i was talking about though. It is just uncanny to me how Kanna's D1 reminds me of what id have done as scum, complete with the posting frequency and not taking a stance on the main wagon. Maybe throw in a few questions here or there.