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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:53 am
by fferyllt
In post 307, Ivyeo wrote: In post 303, Demainer wrote:Ivyeo:\Her single D2 post does not read town to me either, at all. There was no way Ahri's death N1 was a "great kill", it was clearly an anti-spew play (which is also why I'm considering whether we have an SE in the scum team). Simply another post that doesn't contribute any sort of hard info on the game.
How was Ahri not a good kill for town? Not only was she a VT, but she was someone with plenty of suspicion on her.
This doesn't feel to me like something a scum player pushes about their nightkill. especially an anti-spew night kill.
There's stuff I don't like about Ivy's iso, but I dunno about these posts coming from scum who killed Ahri.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:01 am
by fferyllt
In post 373, Egix96 wrote:Ivyeo's mentions of endless are too few to make a solid conclusion.
I feel like you're walking around my entry into the game.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:46 am
by Egix96
In post 376, fferyllt wrote: In post 373, Egix96 wrote:Ivyeo's mentions of endless are too few to make a solid conclusion.
I feel like you're walking around my entry into the game.
Convince me that my process of elimination is wrong then.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:02 am
by fferyllt
In post 377, Egix96 wrote: In post 376, fferyllt wrote: In post 373, Egix96 wrote:Ivyeo's mentions of endless are too few to make a solid conclusion.
I feel like you're walking around my entry into the game.
Convince me that my process of elimination is wrong then.
My role PM says your vote is wrong.
I scanned my predecessor's ISO and the first 10 or so posts convinced me I'd be getting a town role PM.
Aside from me, your POE may be right, which is why I asked you if Ivy/Demeaner make sense to you as a team.
My townreads are Clasko, you and Lukewarm. Bell maybe? I tend to be suspicious of his first few posts in games and then eventually his reads/stances just become near-unequivocal town to me when he's town. He's in the suspicious zone right now, but remembering that post he made about Prism in the Warehouse 13 game does put his reads list into a more townish light.
If Demeanor and Ivy are both scum, though, Demeanor's doing an ungodly amount of distancing for no apparent reason when I'm apparently miselimable despite my own read of my predecessor!
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:17 pm
by fferyllt
I'm going to wind up with nothing but wisps and sunbeams if I keep rereading. :/
Demainer's posts, iso'd, look better than my readthrough impression. He's put way more data into the game than most players have. The tempo of this game has really benefited scum, I think and I feel like I should be townreading effort to make things happen given that tempo.
Anyway, I just really like this post defending Lukewarm.
In post 178, Demainer wrote:I don't find it problematic that Lukewarm posted 3 scumreads instead of 2. If he's on the scum team, then of course he'll know there are two scum in the game, so why deliberately draw attention to himself by ignoring that? Unless he wanted to make a point that he did feel that 3 players were scum, which is NAI.
And no specific preference between 3 scumreads is still a lot better than no reads at all.
This was a pretty nuanced position on Ivy/Wheme
In post 183, Demainer wrote:Ivyeo and Ahri both give me bad vibes. They're posting very cautiously in the thread, Ahri hasn't said anything material at all, and Ivyeo seems to be creating an "I told you so" position to defend herself before WhemeStar's flip.
It does make me a bit less certain that Wheme is scum, because based on that, Ivyeo and Wheme can't be on the same team. But I'm sticking with my vote because I trust my gut feeling.
I feel that something is off about Clasko as well, but they've been active in the game posting reads and sharing their thoughts, so no strong thoughts on this one way or the other.
In post 303, Demainer wrote:If you're scumreading me for apologizing to Wheme, then so be it, it's your choice. I was convinced our scum team was Wheme + Clasko, but with Wheme flipping town I've gone back to the drawing board and re-iso'd everyone.
Lukewarm: Wheme's flip hardspews Luke as town, this is the most certain read I have so far. It's possible that Luke went for an extended scum play, but I feel that's highly unlikely given the stage at which Luke spewed.
Clasko: I went into the D1 flip thinking he was lockscum, but now I've re-iso'd him he comes off as town. It's only a lean though. His "slip" on me and Wheme does not read scum to me now, and his D2 activity has been giving me good vibes as well, I see someone trying to figure things out rather than trying to force town into a conclusion.
Saudade: I can't read him. Most of the posts are one-liners, and in the ones that do offer some insight into his position on other players, it's mostly just vomiting reads without much of an explanation. Having said that, I do get the feeling that he's genuinely trying to get a read on other folks, and I don't see any kind of tmi posting (again, could just be that he's good at hiding it), so I'm very slightly leaning town here, though I'd be more comfortable with a null read.
endlessdark: Null for me. Not getting any scum pings here, but also not seeing any evidence that they're town.
Egix96: The only thing I have to say here is that he's gone after both of my current town reads/leans, and his reaction to Ahri's death seems forced. Lean scum for me.
Ivyeo: I'm hard leaning scum on this one, her entire D1 iso is essentially fossing everyone without truly committing to any sort of read (and when asked to provide them, hid behind the "I'm bad at it, don't want to lose us the game" excuse which hardly holds, you either have them or you don't). Her single D2 post does not read town to me either, at all. There was no way Ahri's death N1 was a "great kill", it was clearly an anti-spew play (which is also why I'm considering whether we have an SE in the scum team). Simply another post that doesn't contribute any sort of hard info on the game.
I also like the Clasko read in this day 2 list, given it occurred before the claim.
His wheme trajectory is kinda tunnelly, but not to the exclusion of discordant data.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:27 pm
by Ivyeo
In post 362, Demainer wrote:Didn't you say you were going to share your thoughts on other players? After your last post focused entirely on me and Egix.
I mentioned my read on Luke at the start, and that's because I didn't really have anything to say on the others that hadn't been said already.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:31 pm
by fferyllt
In post 332, Bell wrote:Caught up.
People that care but might be good scum:
Lukewarm.
Egix.
People that don't seem to care in order of enthusiasm.
Endless dark
Demainer
Ivymeo.
Clasko
One thing I really don't like about this reads list is that Demainer is in the "don't seem to care" section wrt enthusiam.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:34 pm
by fferyllt
Bell, Ivyeo?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:36 pm
by Ivyeo
Yeah?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:39 pm
by fferyllt
That was my POE.
If I weren't still obsessively F5ing this thread in hopes of seeing a Bell post, I'd probably have a vote down right about now.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:42 pm
by Ivyeo
That would be E-1 correct?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:48 pm
by fferyllt
No. Demainer is not who I'm thinking about voting.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:50 pm
by Ivyeo
No I meant me, wouldn't that be a third votre for e-1?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:57 pm
by Bell
Hello FF.
Clasko's claim doesn't look like a fake claim to me. Though it wasn't optimal. I'd ask why he investigated Egix in particular since he seemed one of the easier to read, but It doesn't really matter.
Ivyeo, Demainer, FF, Lukewarm. One in E1, one in E2.
*gets the comb out*
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:00 pm
by fferyllt
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:01 pm
by Bell
VOTE: FF
*hugs*
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:01 pm
by Demainer
In post 380, Ivyeo wrote: In post 362, Demainer wrote:Didn't you say you were going to share your thoughts on other players? After your last post focused entirely on me and Egix.
I mentioned my read on Luke at the start, and that's because I didn't really have anything to say on the others that hadn't been said already.
This just feels like antispew to me.
You said you'd reread the thread to get a read on other players, but now you're backing off.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:02 pm
by Bell
What's antispew?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:03 pm
by fferyllt
Unsurprising as either alignment, but you're not being adoraBell.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:03 pm
by Demainer
The main point here isn't whether what you say has already been said, if it has been, you can still say that you agree with what particular statements have been made by other players.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:04 pm
by Bell
Well, I'm convinced.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:04 pm
by fferyllt
In post 381, fferyllt wrote: In post 332, Bell wrote:Caught up.
People that care but might be good scum:
Lukewarm.
Egix.
People that don't seem to care in order of enthusiasm.
Endless dark
Demainer
Ivymeo.
Clasko
One thing I really don't like about this reads list is that Demainer is in the "don't seem to care" section wrt enthusiam.
Why is demainer in the unenthusiastic group?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:09 pm
by Bell
To me it looks like he's running on autopilot, just pushing whoever and saying whatever. He is emotionally engaged, hence why Wheme seemed to think he was "tunneled" but I just think of him as like an NPC in marioparty on a stage where they just sort of run at you to try you knock you off the platform with 0 deviation or algorithmic pathing. Like an arrow.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:11 pm
by Bell
Why did you replace into this game FF?
and why did you think your predecessor was town?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:15 pm
by fferyllt
In post 398, Bell wrote:Why did you replace into this game FF?
and why did you think your predecessor was town?
I almost offered to replace into your slot, but I couldn't quite townread it. I replaced into this slot about 50% because you joined and about 50% because I read my slot as town. Endless came off very town to me in the early game, sliding from rvs to srsbsns. I particularly liked his equanimous reaction to being early-wagoned.