Micro 1005: Help Isis, Scholarship Student at Noon

[Infinity 324]

ur first mistake is trying to explain gut reads

Could talk for a while about this, but I don't agree

[Alisae]

ok so how do you actually explain what your gut tells you or what ur instinct tells you. While there is theory behind it, if you have to call it gut/instinct, then by nature it's going to be difficult for that person to explain because its based on their instincts/gut feelings. Another player might be able to tell you this is why and how and understand it, but some players do just rely on their gut/instinct and its harder to make those players explain it since they don't understand it, its just their instincts. If you instinctively have a feel for something, its harder to describe/teach it then it is if you understand how that something actually works/operates.

[Alisae]

maybe I'm just posting words and I should go to sleep but if you can explain gut/instinct then I don't think its gut/instinct anymore

[Alisae]

like instinct/gut is "my experience has told me that in this situation I should be doing this in response to this" where as if you understand why you're doing it, then it becomes "In this situation I should be doing this in response to this because..."

[Infinity 324]

Spoiler: theory

Every gut instinct comes from somewhere. There is something you're noticing about someone's posting that you believe would be different if they were scum/town, so your goal in explaining a gut read is to find it. Sometimes it can feel like a guess, but if you practice trying to put it into words you can get better at it. You can also compare gut reads from different games and try to see what they have in common which can help too. For example a common type of gut read for me that I didn't know how to express at first was the "fake nuance" post, where scum writes more words than they really need to express something and are using that to either hedge or look town. That's not a perfect expression of the read, and you can never get to perfect with gut reads (see my sig), but you can definitely get better. At the very least, you can maybe make someone go "hmm that seems believable" if not "I'm sold, ship it"

[Infinity 324]

The other thing that I find helpful is that even if you can't explain them to others is labeling and categorizing your gut feelings in your head. I think postie used to have colors associated with them which I found super interesting, for me they're just different feelings and I eventually come up with names for them

[Sha 77]

I'm not sure what the difference is between ""i think this is anti-town behavior but i still scumread it" and "I don’t know whether to TR this anti-Town behavior. I kind want to."
I'm also having trouble understanding why her response times matter here. Would they be slower if she was scum?

Probably? I just pinned her as scum very confidently and earlyish in another game, so I'd think she'd be a little more apprehensive about giving her answers if she was scum here

[Ydrasse]

the simple answer is that i'm not scum answering these things and i had those thoughts early game whether or not people think they're real is like, shrug! even if people disagree it's just how it is

[Ydrasse]

though it'd be very funny if alisae and andres were some sort of scum faction together and i pinned them like that

[Sha 77]

Ydrasse feels like she's expressing herself more confidently than I'd expect from scum!ydra

Hectic/Sha do you think this has value?

Yeah, it does actually. Scum!Ydrasse expresses reads with some uncertainty and feels less sure on them tonally

[Sha 77]

What do you think of me, Ydrasse?

[Ydrasse]

hmm

i was a little surprised that you thought i was scum so fast when i felt that i was posting the same way that i have been in places like divide, and that there was a tell that you thought was in play; at most i've thought you were frustrating at that point but not... scummy, you know? and the fact that you 180'd on it after we interacted makes me feel like you're town, you don't have any real incentive to do that and heal me when you're scum (unless scum know what's going to happen setup wise?)

[Ydrasse]

like you could have just doubled down on me being scum and gotten away with it if you were scum instead

[Sha 77]

Okay, but the

question

is would you put your faith in the heart of the cards for me being Isis's lab partner?

HEAL: Sha 77

[Ydrasse]

yes, i would! either you or tris works for me

HEAL: sha 77

[Ydrasse]

infinity too i think, i'm getting the same vibes from divide here from her

[Infinity 324]

Me me me

HEAL: infinity 324

[Infinity 324]

infinity 324 = infinity

[SirCakez]

why make those posts in the first place if he thinks they're someone's going to scumread them?

because it's Hectic that's just what he does

idk!!! you might be underestimating me. my last scum game was a while ago. i won that one! (its actually the same game i played with cakez) with that game, i was figuring out how to be better at scum, and i almost want to be scum again to see if i develop my skills there better. but, i also hate being scum

yeah I remember that one you snowed us pretty well. i will be more paranoid this time.

HEAL: Andresvmb

wacky ass choice

Take me to lylo and mislaunch me

why wait when we can make it happen sooner

I think the MagicalBear is town safely
i think I have a good grasp on him after Warehouse

[Ydrasse]

Me me me

HEAL: infinity 324

don't want tris/sha?

[SirCakez]

I also feel good townbinning Infinity

[Sha 77]

I like the Ydrasse/tris/Sha townbloc, and honestly, I think Ali's suspicions come from a place of good faith too

[SirCakez]

of course you would like that townblock you're in it and Ydrasse is extremely likely town
gross

[Ydrasse]

do you not trust sha, cakez?

[Sha 77]

Why is what gross, Cakez? Why aren't I just town who's happy with a townbloc that has me and someone who's likely town in it?