[MT2225] Chrono Trigger Chronicles - The Rise/Fall of Yakra

[Gamma Emerald]

Damn it I should have read all the way down

[mastina]

And as the makers of both games, Square Enix had the right to do that. But I as a consumer of the game also have the right to then, knowing what Square Enix did in the sequel to override the happy ending of the original, choose not to acknowledge the override.

(This is the same reason I've never watched the anime which is the sequel to Ereka7 by the way for much the same reasons.)

[House]

Square Enix

Squaresoft*

Enix had not shit up Square games by purchasing the company at that point.

That happened after Spirits Within, which bankrupted Squaresoft.

[LavosCore]

Vote Count 1.7

Roden

(1)

:

Angel Warriors

Robert M Hunter

(5)

:

Gamma Emerald - T3 - Titus - ssbm_Kyouko - House

T3

(1)

:

Lukewarm

ssbm_Kyouko

(3)

:

Robert M Hunter - mastina - Guillotina

Angel Warriors

(1)

:

Roden

Not Voting

(2)

:

Child of Fairies - Marashu

With 13 players in the game, 7 are required to Yeet unto the Eternal Void .

Deadline for voiding is in (expired on 2021-08-09 08:31:06)

Mod Notes

Marashu is V/LA.
Child of Faries Has been prodded
Lukewarm is V/LA

I have so much to say about Chrono Cross... none I'm going to yet. Also if you want the real sequel, Radical Dreamers.
Fun Fact: Final Fantasy was meant to be Squaresofts last ever game, it was literally their final fantasy that that game would take off and save them
VC Fixed

Pronouns

T3- He/Him
Angel Warriors - They/Them
Roden - He/Him
ssbm_Kyouko - She/Her
Marashu - He/Him
Guillotina - He/Him
Lukewarm - He/Him
Robert M Hunter - He/Him
House - He/Him
mastina - She/Her
Titus - She/Her
Gamma Emerald - He/Him
Child of Fairies - Unspecified

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You assume that I have to have meta on you to scumread you for some reason. I didnt have meta on Italiano and I plucked him out on page 11.

You are scumreading me for something you can't possibly know, you are not right next to me to tell me that I'm worried about posting lol, how would you if I had just posted like 4 times and you have no idea of who i am as a player. I don't believe you genuinely scumread me, you just picked up a fight with someone you thought it was a Goldfish and the Goldfish turned out to be a Shark.

Again, I don't need meta on you to scumread you for what I have perceived your motivations and thoughts to be. I've explained how I came to that conclusion. You can choose whether to believe my thoughts are real or not.

And i don't, hence my vote on you. I've played this game for two decades now, I know a fake when they think they can get an "LHF" over.

Not today corazón!

So you, without meta on me, know a fake that is trying to get an LHF over? And I, with no meta on you, cannot know you were worried about disrupting the TvT? Fascinating cogdis.

[Guillotina]

Vote Count 1.7

Roden

(1)

:

Angel Warriors

Robert M Hunter

(5)

:

Gamma Emerald - T3 - Titus - ssbm_Kyouko - House

T3

(1)

:

Lukewarm

ssbm_Kyouko

(2)

:

Robert M Hunter - mastina

Angel Warriors

(1)

:

Roden

Not Voting

(3)

:

Child of Fairies - Guillotina - Marashu

With 13 players in the game, 7 are required to Yeet unto the Eternal Void .

Deadline for voiding is in (expired on 2021-08-09 08:31:06)

Mod Notes

Marashu is V/LA.
Child of Faries Has been prodded
Lukewarm is V/LA

I have so much to say about Chrono Cross... none I'm going to yet. Also if you want the real sequel, Radical Dreamers.
Fun Fact: Final Fantasy was meant to be Squaresofts last ever game, it was literally their final fantasy that that game would take off and save them

Pronouns

T3- He/Him
Angel Warriors - They/Them
Roden - He/Him
ssbm_Kyouko - She/Her
Marashu - He/Him
Guillotina - He/Him
Lukewarm - He/Him
Robert M Hunter - He/Him
House - He/Him
mastina - She/Her
Titus - She/Her
Gamma Emerald - He/Him
Child of Fairies - Unspecified

@LavaCore did someone steal my vote or you missed my vote here?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12914600

[Guillotina]

@LavosCore

I missed it, I got no excuse for that one lol. Will retrofix ^_^

[Guillotina]

You assume that I have to have meta on you to scumread you for some reason. I didnt have meta on Italiano and I plucked him out on page 11.

You are scumreading me for something you can't possibly know, you are not right next to me to tell me that I'm worried about posting lol, how would you if I had just posted like 4 times and you have no idea of who i am as a player. I don't believe you genuinely scumread me, you just picked up a fight with someone you thought it was a Goldfish and the Goldfish turned out to be a Shark.

Again, I don't need meta on you to scumread you for what I have perceived your motivations and thoughts to be. I've explained how I came to that conclusion. You can choose whether to believe my thoughts are real or not.

And i don't, hence my vote on you. I've played this game for two decades now, I know a fake when they think they can get an "LHF" over.

Not today corazón!

So you, without meta on me, know a fake that is trying to get an LHF over? And I, with no meta on you, cannot know you were worried about disrupting the TvT? Fascinating cogdis.

That's right, you know why? Because i scum read you and my gut almost never fails. You picked up a lame reason to scum read me and vote me which is posting images in the first 24 hours into the game and im an specialist in catching wolves during RVS, im sorry for your rand and I'm sorry i signed up to play this game where you cannot shine.

Even more, im going back to posting more images and own your team with a self imposed post restriction just because i love the challenge, i live spiting scum and I'm just that damn good.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah could have sworn guillo was voting me.

Mastina why do you scumread me?
Gamma what about me and Guillo looks TvS to you?

[Guillotina]

Can anyone help me get a read on mastina? Her posts read like a personal diary.

Well may as well, given I've given reads and don't have much to add to them since the game's technically out of the rvs but still feels like it's in the rvs in spite of being out so there's not a lot to have in terms of read progression.

Strongly North of Null:

House
Titus
Gamma Emerald
Angel Warriors
T3

North of Null:

Roden

Null:

Lukewarm (above the not-posters)
Marashu
Child of Fairies
Robert M Hunter (below the not-posters)

South of Null:

Guillotina

Strongly South of Null:

ssbm_Kyouko

I've not been able to get anything more refined than this though.

Let me get this straight, you are placing me at the bottom of your reads with my own scumread?

[Guillotina]

Just weighing in on the ssmb v guillo 1v1, I think that guillo's reason for calling ssmb's read on them fake is bad.

But I also think that this looks like town!guillo from the 2 games I have seen them in. Although, I have not yet encountered scum!guillo to compare.

Spoiler: @Mastina wrt to Chrono Cross

I think that Chrono Cross is a poor sequel, but is actually a good game if you pretend it is completely unrelated to Chrono Trigger

I actually played Chrono Cross first, and really enjoyed it.

Which then lead me to playing Chrono Trigger, and really enjoying it too.

So, basically, I think that Chrono Cross is a good game, but the "sequel" elements are poorly done.

Help me understand it is bad because im not seeing it and i might be too tunneled to figure it out by myself.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You assume that I have to have meta on you to scumread you for some reason. I didnt have meta on Italiano and I plucked him out on page 11.

You are scumreading me for something you can't possibly know, you are not right next to me to tell me that I'm worried about posting lol, how would you if I had just posted like 4 times and you have no idea of who i am as a player. I don't believe you genuinely scumread me, you just picked up a fight with someone you thought it was a Goldfish and the Goldfish turned out to be a Shark.

Again, I don't need meta on you to scumread you for what I have perceived your motivations and thoughts to be. I've explained how I came to that conclusion. You can choose whether to believe my thoughts are real or not.

And i don't, hence my vote on you. I've played this game for two decades now, I know a fake when they think they can get an "LHF" over.

Not today corazón!

So you, without meta on me, know a fake that is trying to get an LHF over? And I, with no meta on you, cannot know you were worried about disrupting the TvT? Fascinating cogdis.

That's right, you know why? Because i scum read you and my gut almost never fails. You picked up a lame reason to scum read me and vote me which is posting images in the first 24 hours into the game and im an specialist in catching wolves during RVS, im sorry for your rand and I'm sorry i signed up to play this game where you cannot shine.

Even more, im going back to posting more images and own your team with a self imposed post restriction just because i love the challenge, i live spiting scum and I'm just that damn good.

So you're aware of the cognitive dissonance and unwilling to budge. You scumread me for [gut reasons] (aka a fake read). I've caught you for the wrong reasons and you're now trying to misrepresent what those reasons are. On top of that you're so town for doubling down on the misrepresented reason for which I'm scumreading you.

The reason I SR you: The posts you made during the TvT post-storm indicate to me you wanted to contribute so you wouldn't be called out for not posting, but at the same time you did not want to draw attention to yourself or disrupt the infighting.
The misrepresentation: posting images

Go ahead and own

"my team"

, if you bus hard and fast enough maybe you'll make it a few more days.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah could have sworn guillo was voting me.

Mastina why do you scumread me?
Gamma what about me and Guillo looks TvS to you?

I don’t think either of you look good in the interaction but it’s doesn’t seem like theater

[Guillotina]

You assume that I have to have meta on you to scumread you for some reason. I didnt have meta on Italiano and I plucked him out on page 11.

You are scumreading me for something you can't possibly know, you are not right next to me to tell me that I'm worried about posting lol, how would you if I had just posted like 4 times and you have no idea of who i am as a player. I don't believe you genuinely scumread me, you just picked up a fight with someone you thought it was a Goldfish and the Goldfish turned out to be a Shark.

Again, I don't need meta on you to scumread you for what I have perceived your motivations and thoughts to be. I've explained how I came to that conclusion. You can choose whether to believe my thoughts are real or not.

And i don't, hence my vote on you. I've played this game for two decades now, I know a fake when they think they can get an "LHF" over.

Not today corazón!

So you, without meta on me, know a fake that is trying to get an LHF over? And I, with no meta on you, cannot know you were worried about disrupting the TvT? Fascinating cogdis.

That's right, you know why? Because i scum read you and my gut almost never fails. You picked up a lame reason to scum read me and vote me which is posting images in the first 24 hours into the game and im an specialist in catching wolves during RVS, im sorry for your rand and I'm sorry i signed up to play this game where you cannot shine.

Even more, im going back to posting more images and own your team with a self imposed post restriction just because i love the challenge, i live spiting scum and I'm just that damn good.

So you're aware of the cognitive dissonance and unwilling to budge. You scumread me for [gut reasons] (aka a fake read). I've caught you for the wrong reasons and you're now trying to misrepresent what those reasons are. On top of that you're so town for doubling down on the misrepresented reason for which I'm scumreading you.

The reason I SR you: The posts you made during the TvT post-storm indicate to me you wanted to contribute so you wouldn't be called out for not posting, but at the same time you did not want to draw attention to yourself or disrupt the infighting.
The misrepresentation: posting images

Go ahead and own

"my team"

, if you bus hard and fast enough maybe you'll make it a few more days.

Girl, What are you talking about? What did i disrupt again? If i did disrupt anything i was not aware, still im not.

Get this through your head because you are beginning to making me mad.

I WAS NOT POSTING BECAUSE I HAVE A LIFE! BECAUSE THIS IS A TWO WEEK GAME WHERE PLAYERS WITH A BUSY AGENDA LIKE ME CAN PLAY!

IM NEVER AFRAID TO POST, IM NEVER AFRAID TO BE VOCAL ABOUT MY POSTS AND GIRL GET OUT OF HERE! I LOVE ATTENTION, I NEVER DO NOT WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF.

[Guillotina]

[Guillotina]

Im no longer wasting time on SSBM, she is a caught wolf to me.

Im gonna look for her teammates now.


Yooooohooooo… where are thou!

[Roden]

This response feels fake. You're essentially mad that she didn't add a "IMO" at the end of her post when that should be implied with any and all reads. Nobody actually knows what anyone is thinking, they can only guess and interpret.

Then why aren't you pushing her? All you're doing is arguing with each other but neither of you are making a case to convince the rest of us. You in particular apparently seem certain Kyouko is a fake, but you're settling to just squabble.

This feels like a fake argument.

Orange

: When did I say that I was mad because she didn't say "IMO"? Don't put words in my mouth, thank you very much. What I've been saying and I will defend it with fist and teeth is that their read on me is fake, because there is no possible way for them to know that I was feeling afraid of posting. Afraid of what? This is not my first game, I didn't rand wolf and I'm a very effective wolf killer! I'm not afraid! I just have a life! Yesterday I was busy having a life with family so I just tried posting fun images and memes reacting to stuff, I do this all the time. So, why does it imply that me posting them equals to being afraid of posting here? Like who the hell do they think they are for them to believe that I'm afraid of them or any of you for that matter? Haaaaaaa! It both hurts my pride and makes me laugh at the same time, don't treat me like a noob please.

Red

I am pushing them but if you are waiting for me to make a case you'll be waiting because I'm not that type, in fact, I'm the kind of player that needs to be convinced of, I read cases, compare the thought processes with my own and then at night I mess wolves up. You open, I finish. You case, I terminate them. That is the deal here.

Orange

: You don't have to say you're mad, it's just how you're coming across. She never said she "knew" you were afraid but you're slipping that you were. All she did was read you and not only did you take the claim way too seriously, you've ultimately justified it with your response. Your post here pings heavily as AtE especially with your OMGUS vote.

Red

: Are you not actually certain that Kyouko is scum then?

Didn't get a response. Considering his recent posts, it's clear why that is.

VOTE: Guillotina

[Lukewarm]

Just weighing in on the ssmb v guillo 1v1, I think that guillo's reason for calling ssmb's read on them fake is bad.

But I also think that this looks like town!guillo from the 2 games I have seen them in. Although, I have not yet encountered scum!guillo to compare.

Spoiler: @Mastina wrt to Chrono Cross

I think that Chrono Cross is a poor sequel, but is actually a good game if you pretend it is completely unrelated to Chrono Trigger

I actually played Chrono Cross first, and really enjoyed it.

Which then lead me to playing Chrono Trigger, and really enjoying it too.

So, basically, I think that Chrono Cross is a good game, but the "sequel" elements are poorly done.

Help me understand it is bad because im not seeing it and i might be too tunneled to figure it out by myself.

Mainly it is that the reason you find their original scum read on you to be fake is because that is not the kind of player that you are. But Kyouko appears to have no meta history with you (which correct me if I am wrong on that), so, if they don't know anything about your playstyle, then obviously that never factored into their initial read on you.

Like, the way that I originally start trying to read someone that I have never played with before is to compare it to the "generic scum model" and "generic town model" in my head.

So from my pov, kyouko was saying something along the lines of "kyouko's posting seems more like my generic scum model then my generic town model, so I am leaning scum there."

And your response seems to be, from my pov "what you are describing is nothing like the

hyper specific guillotina scum style

, so that is a shitty reason to scum read me, must be fake"

Basically, it seems like you are judging the genuineness of their read with the built in assumption that she already has some meta knowledge on you, when it appears like she does not

[Lukewarm]

So from my pov, kyouko was saying something along the lines of "

kyouko's

guillotina's

posting seems more like my generic scum model then my generic town model, so I am leaning scum there."

ebwop

[House]

Let me get this straight, you are placing me at the bottom of your reads with my own scumread?

So?

[Guillotina]

Let me get this straight, you are placing me at the bottom of your reads with my own scumread?

So?

It's ridiculous to think ssmb and I are teamed which is what my placement in her readlist does not make sense.
She could be her scum partner and is distancing from ssbm while influencing the playerlist that this could be just theater. Because that is what it implies that ssbm and me could be mafia together.

[Guillotina]

Just weighing in on the ssmb v guillo 1v1, I think that guillo's reason for calling ssmb's read on them fake is bad.

But I also think that this looks like town!guillo from the 2 games I have seen them in. Although, I have not yet encountered scum!guillo to compare.

Spoiler: @Mastina wrt to Chrono Cross

I think that Chrono Cross is a poor sequel, but is actually a good game if you pretend it is completely unrelated to Chrono Trigger

I actually played Chrono Cross first, and really enjoyed it.

Which then lead me to playing Chrono Trigger, and really enjoying it too.

So, basically, I think that Chrono Cross is a good game, but the "sequel" elements are poorly done.

Help me understand it is bad because im not seeing it and i might be too tunneled to figure it out by myself.

Mainly it is that the reason you find their original scum read on you to be fake is because that is not the kind of player that you are. But Kyouko appears to have no meta history with you (which correct me if I am wrong on that), so, if they don't know anything about your playstyle, then obviously that never factored into their initial read on you.

Like, the way that I originally start trying to read someone that I have never played with before is to compare it to the "generic scum model" and "generic town model" in my head.

So from my pov, kyouko was saying something along the lines of "kyouko's posting seems more like my generic scum model then my generic town model, so I am leaning scum there."

And your response seems to be, from my pov "what you are describing is nothing like the

hyper specific guillotina scum style

, so that is a shitty reason to scum read me, must be fake"

Basically, it seems like you are judging the genuineness of their read with the built in assumption that she already has some meta knowledge on you, when it appears like she does not

It makes sense.

UNVOTE: ssbm

I still think that she scum reading for posting images is a shitty reason when i've done it in other games where i also randed town.

[Guillotina]

This response feels fake. You're essentially mad that she didn't add a "IMO" at the end of her post when that should be implied with any and all reads. Nobody actually knows what anyone is thinking, they can only guess and interpret.

Then why aren't you pushing her? All you're doing is arguing with each other but neither of you are making a case to convince the rest of us. You in particular apparently seem certain Kyouko is a fake, but you're settling to just squabble.

This feels like a fake argument.

Orange

: When did I say that I was mad because she didn't say "IMO"? Don't put words in my mouth, thank you very much. What I've been saying and I will defend it with fist and teeth is that their read on me is fake, because there is no possible way for them to know that I was feeling afraid of posting. Afraid of what? This is not my first game, I didn't rand wolf and I'm a very effective wolf killer! I'm not afraid! I just have a life! Yesterday I was busy having a life with family so I just tried posting fun images and memes reacting to stuff, I do this all the time. So, why does it imply that me posting them equals to being afraid of posting here? Like who the hell do they think they are for them to believe that I'm afraid of them or any of you for that matter? Haaaaaaa! It both hurts my pride and makes me laugh at the same time, don't treat me like a noob please.

Red

I am pushing them but if you are waiting for me to make a case you'll be waiting because I'm not that type, in fact, I'm the kind of player that needs to be convinced of, I read cases, compare the thought processes with my own and then at night I mess wolves up. You open, I finish. You case, I terminate them. That is the deal here.

Orange

: You don't have to say you're mad, it's just how you're coming across. She never said she "knew" you were afraid but you're slipping that you were. All she did was read you and not only did you take the claim way too seriously, you've ultimately justified it with your response. Your post here pings heavily as AtE especially with your OMGUS vote.

Red

: Are you not actually certain that Kyouko is scum then?

Didn't get a response. Considering his recent posts, it's clear why that is.

VOTE: Guillotina

I thought it was a rethoric question, it is obvious that i think ssbm could be scum but certain? Never.

That vote looks opportunistic.

[Titus]

Yet, I don't think Gamma was going there. Rather, he pushed like you were mostly going after LHF

What? I thought I was the site's universal LHF. There are others?

@Titus

Are you saying that my scumreads below are LHF?

Guillotina
Titus
ssbm_Kyouko
Gamma Emerald

LHF is static and changes from game to game. People with low posts are LHF nearly always.

[Titus]

The images break my device.

Same here, it's really annoying, please go back to typing, people.

For this reason, I have stopped with the pictures. I never got this complaint before but all posts must be readable to all players.