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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:45 pm
by House
In post 368, Three wrote:Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.
No, it doesn't.
Redtea can't shoot goons, either.
They're considered vanilla scum.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:46 pm
by House
In post 368, Three wrote:The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario
A complex vig effectively makes a goon a PR.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:56 pm
by Three
In post 375, House wrote:
Redtea can't shoot goons, either.
They're considered vanilla scum.
I'm a little confused here.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:05 pm
by redtea
In post 363, House wrote:I kinda want to give them a night to see if there are 2 kills.
If they're town, scum probably does the job for us.
They get nowhere near Elo with that claim.
scope of this discussion has expanded but its always good to remember mafia could nk to "disprove" a vig
though with the complex modifier, that may be unlikely
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:10 pm
by redtea
okay so if there are more mafia prs than just the bp traitor, I still have a chance to vig them
if not them im basically a risky cop?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:10 pm
by redtea
or "vanilla cop" or whatever its called
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:10 pm
by redtea
or
you know what mean
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:12 pm
by redtea
I think house means, it's almost guaranteed there is a non-traitor mafia member who is a pr?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:13 pm
by redtea
Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:15 pm
by redtea
actually I think you both are saying the same thing
I'm not actually back but I'm checking in, which has apparently been a mistake because I'm all over the place
well thats just cause you're scummy
is that a take ive posted yet?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:17 pm
by House
Quote the whole post.
That should erase your confusion.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:19 pm
by House
That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:42 pm
by Three
In post 386, House wrote:
That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
In post 385, House wrote:
Quote the whole post.
That should erase your confusion.
Or...explain your point.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:51 pm
by Three
In post 386, House wrote:
That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.
If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:52 pm
by Three
In post 388, Three wrote: In post 386, House wrote:
That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.
If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
Especially if redtea can apparently gets false innocent results on Goons?
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:57 pm
by House
In post 375, House wrote: In post 368, Three wrote:Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.
No, it doesn't.
Redtea can't shoot goons, either.
They're considered vanilla scum.
Self-explanatory
In post 389, Three wrote:
Especially if redtea can apparently gets false innocent results on Goons?
Ta-Da~
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:16 pm
by Three
I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:33 pm
by House
In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:58 pm
by redtea
In post 388, Three wrote: In post 386, House wrote:
That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
This is where I'm at.
If people genuinely believe that we have a Vig that can only kill minimum zero/maximum one scum that otherwise only kills town PRs, why exactly is this slot still breathing if some people don't even believe the claim?
jeez rude, I'm still a member of town and that has value.
In post 386, House wrote:
That's my guess.
It would effectively make your role borderline negative utility.
true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:00 pm
by redtea
like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:03 pm
by House
In post 393, redtea wrote:true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.
The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.
Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:03 pm
by redtea
i'll post my queer flag collection asdkjfnladsknf would that clear me
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:04 pm
by House
In post 394, redtea wrote:like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.
If we hit scum, shoot.
If not, holster.
Just like any other vig.
Just don't jump to conclusions unless a goon flips.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:06 pm
by Three
In post 392, House wrote: In post 391, Three wrote:I don't see how a false inno on a Goon effectively makes a Goon a PR if redtea can't shoot Goons but can shoot PRs.
I'd say immunity to a PR's action and the potential to mislead town with a false Inno is pretty powerful.
Sigh. You're just arguing semantics then. And not even particularly useful semantics.
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:06 pm
by redtea
In post 395, House wrote: In post 393, redtea wrote:true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.
The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.
Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.
I think three made the point that my role is borderline negative-utility
Unless there's like no or few other town prs
I'm not rolefishing here btw, no one out themself to help my case
pedit sounds like a plan house