Mini Normal 2269 - Flavors of Elmer's Glue [Game Over]

[Enchant]

I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.

Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.

It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.

No. Don't.

[Frogsterking]

question to consider: i think mafia NEEDED Virgo for some reason.... why?

to everyone else: what is the possibilty of that neighborhood being 2 scum, 1 town?

Two scum and 1 town are rare hoods and I'm totally down to think about thiis based on there being a vig flip and the setup being designed by RadiantCowBells.

[Frogsterking]

I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.

Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.

It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.

No. Don't.

Wait Andante outted

[Frogsterking]

I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.

Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.

It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.

No. Don't.

Wait Andante outted

WAIT. Okay okay, it can STILL be suboptimal townplay if Val was emotionally attached to his read.

[Frogsterking]

I obviously disagree that it was 'stupid' and 'absolutely terrible', else I wouldn't have done it, but OK, let's assume you aren't victims of hindsight, and that we were both wrong and it objectively was.

Why does that lead to you voting me today?

"It was not dumb"

Okay, explain your reasoning to hammer.

Val if you're Town you need to admit you made a mistake, I think it will help your solves and it's a first step to trusting

[Frogsterking]

Val this isn't even like the worst town mis play or anything

[Enchant]

I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.

Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.

It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.

No. Don't.

Wait Andante outted

Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.


It shouldn't even matter in questions about vig truthfulness.

Mafia shoting Jackson is incredibly karmic. But i don't understand sense in this killing, because there's none obvious. Seems like a standard shoting believers.


Also, it's lesson for me to not vote early without normal reason. Sorry for sleeping too much that night.

[Enchant]

Val this isn't even like the worst town mis play or anything

Fairly i saw worse.

[Prism]

Vote Count 2.1

A purportedly stronger and denser version of the original Glue-All, but I can't say the taste is at all comparable to its predecessor. It's really quite pleasant, with hints of citrus and spice.

Prism's Rating: 7/10

Player	Votes
Val89 (2)	Enchant (335), MegAzumarill (337)
Not Voting (5)	Val89, Not_Mafia, Frogsterking, Kcdaspot, Malakittens

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate.

No elimination has been achieved. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2022-04-06 23:30:00).

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Val
Absolutely terrible hammer on a conformable as town PR.
Andante could basically be treated as IC after a night, there's no good excuse

Okay here's the thing,


It could just be suboptimal townplay.

For example: Val is given the special role of getting to solve with extra information. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..

Yeah but it's always what scum does in that situation. They take a mislim and die rather than not get one and die.
If someone is playing the optimal scum!way, and it isn't good townplay they die. End of the line

[Val89]

Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.

That's a complete misrep.

I kid yall not when I say, high chance I just don't even shoot tonight, cause I'm feeling maf can redirect

Those were the last words Andante said before the hammer.

Want to try again?

[MegAzumarill]

Val I solemnly swear to vote for you, in good times and is ill, in rain and in snow, in sickness and in health, as long as we both shall live.

With that said I'm done discussing that. Let's move on to other topics

[Enchant]

Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.

That's a complete misrep.

I kid yall not when I say, high chance I just don't even shoot tonight, cause I'm feeling maf can redirect

Those were the last words Andante said before the hammer.

Want to try again?

AHAHAHAHHAA.

First person to say "Lol redirects in normal game, shot Val" would probably get Nobel.

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: Val
Absolutely terrible hammer on a conformable as town PR.
Andante could basically be treated as IC after a night, there's no good excuse

Okay here's the thing,


It could just be suboptimal townplay.

For example: Val is given the special role of getting to solve with extra information. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..

Yeah but it's always what scum does in that situation. They take a mislim and die rather than not get one and die.
If someone is playing the optimal scum!way, and it isn't good townplay they die. End of the line

I'm sorry I emphasize with this situation too much to scum read Val i think. I THINK. Because he keeps arguing that it was a good play even after the flip; if he were maf, he knew it was a bad townplay that's why he did it in the first place.

Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.

That's a complete misrep.

I kid yall not when I say, high chance I just don't even shoot tonight, cause I'm feeling maf can redirect

Those were the last words Andante said before the hammer.

Want to try again?

LOL yes it looks sketchy

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Val
Absolutely terrible hammer on a conformable as town PR.
Andante could basically be treated as IC after a night, there's no good excuse

Okay here's the thing,


It could just be suboptimal townplay.

For example: Val is given the special role of getting to solve with extra information. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..

Yeah but it's always what scum does in that situation. They take a mislim and die rather than not get one and die.
If someone is playing the optimal scum!way, and it isn't good townplay they die. End of the line

I'm sorry I emphasize with this situation too much to scum read Val i think. I THINK. Because he keeps arguing that it was a good play even after the flip; if he were maf, he knew it was a bad townplay that's why he did it in the first place.

This is literally how you try and live in this situation as scum, I've done this before, you play to AtE to survive (I'll link if you want)

Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.

That's a complete misrep.

I kid yall not when I say, high chance I just don't even shoot tonight, cause I'm feeling maf can redirect

Those were the last words Andante said before the hammer.

Want to try again?

LOL yes it looks sketchy

[Enchant]

First SANE person to check in thread would point that there's no redirections in normal, and Andante would had no reason to holster otherwise.

Trying to pull like mafia would be save because of that Andante statement is not even funny.

[Val89]

Yeah but it's always what scum does in that situation. They take a mislim and die rather than not get one and die.

This is two slots now pushing a narrative I don't understand. Both MegA and Enchant have now both suggested that I would have been the lim had Andante not gone down, so I took my last chance to mislim.

Are you mixing this game up with some other you are active in? That situation is not my recollection at all.

Vote Count 1.5

Player	Votes
Andante (5)	Kcdaspot (66), Not_Mafia (119), Enchant (120), JacksonVirgo (292), Val89 (329)
Not_Mafia (1)	Malakittens (9)
Kcdaspot (1)	MegAzumarill (115)
JacksonVirgo (1)	Frogsterking (149)
Val89 (1)	Andante (164)
Not Voting (0)

That singular vote was clearly, unambigiously an OMGUS vote, same way her vote on NM was, same way her vote on Enchant was (ironically, the fact she tried to dress that read up as some sort of actual meta read when it wasn't was the first thing to ping me seriously about her).

I'm about to go through the entire of D1 and extract every mention of my slot, let's see if my recollection was correct, because I think I was the ONLY slot that a non-trivial amount of decent townreads and not really much push back at all.

You are trying to tell me that what I did in that circumstance would have been optimal play for scum me, and have the cheek to suggest

I

am the idiot?

[Frogsterking]

@Megazum

I want to see an example of the scum strategy being done yes

[MegAzumarill]

You wouldn't have been the lim you'd have been shot lmao

[Enchant]

Can we just call Frog+Val team and call it a day?

[Frogsterking]

Can we just call Frog+Val team and call it a day?

Savage LOL

[MegAzumarill]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=88251


Day 2 I pushed a claimed cop and got them elimmed.
Day 3 I play ATE and associative. falseassociative, despite not having any logical reason to have made my play the day before as town

[Frogsterking]

I think it's hypocritical to vote Val for me because I can empathize with making solves that are mechanically nonsensica

[Val89]

and call it a day?

Yeah, lets.

VOTE: Val

E-1.

NM, you are up. Do what you do best. Just remember you absolutely want to be limming Mala when you see my role card, and you can sort out the partner out (my money is on kcda) amongst yourselves. This isn't a town I can work with.

[Enchant]

I am not unvoting you.